Sweden defends no lockdown plan; says coronavirus immunity growing

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Sweden defends no lockdown plan; says coronavirus immunity growing​

Apr. 28, 2020 - 4:48 - Insight on Sweden’s ‘hands off’ approach to the COVID-19 pandemic from Cato Institute senior fellow Johan Norberg.
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And Sweden didn’t have to create unnecessary poverty to do it.


The number of Americans put out of work by the coronavirus crisis grew to 26.4 million last week as another 4.4 million people applied for unemployment benefits, new federal data show.
The workers who have filed initial jobless claims in the last five weeks account for about 16 percent of the American workforce. If they formed their own state, it would be the nation’s third-largest by population with more people than New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania combined.
The pandemic’s impact on the labor force is “close if not very close to the Great Depression level roughly a century ago,” Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at MUFG Union Bank, told The Post. “These are just massive job losses on a scale that we’ve never seen before, and it could cause a lot of problems.
Most of the country is living under lockdown measures meant to stem the spread of the virus, which have forced many businesses to close and cut workers.
 
Theo520 said:
The evidence is clear
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Do you have a paper that goes through the end of April?
It seems that Sweden is a bit leisurely in reporting on the weekends. Cutting off the data at 4.25 makes it look like the trend has past its peak, but the data for this week show that the cases rate is not dropping much if at all.

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How is “immunity growing” when it’s still possible for people to become reinfected?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The jury is still out on the wisdom of Sweden’s strategy.
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And it won’t render a verdict until next year. Something that seems to be forgotten in the hue and cry.

@dvdjs I see you’re still throwing up negative numbers as fast as you see them when you know as well as many do that the verdict isn’t coming in this year.
gracepoole said:
How is “immunity growing” when it’s still possible for people to become reinfected?
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This isn’t a given. Some think that the virus retreated beyond detection, but still remained resident. We won’t know one way or the other without more sensitive tests with accuracy.
 
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Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The jury is still out on the wisdom of Sweden’s strategy.
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Not really

The evidence is clear their strategy is working for them

Sweden: estimate of the effective reproduction number (R=0.85)​

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...mate-of-the-effective-reproduction-number.pdf
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This is an estimate, based on a lot of assumptions. (Read the “Methods” section.) It is highly dependent on the degree and kind of testing.
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LeafByNiggle:
The jury is still out on the wisdom of Sweden’s strategy.
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And it won’t render a verdict until next year. Something that seems to be forgotten in the hue and cry.
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How does remembering that fact change the analysis of whether Sweden’s approach is a good one?

And I’m not even sure it is a fact. In a month or so we will have more statistics on deaths to analyze in all the countries. That is the ultimate and reliable statistic.
 
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dvdjs said:
I am throwing up reported numbers. If you think the numbers are negative, so be it.
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You are throwing up numbers known to be fairly meaningless, I suspect to deflect from what’s happening.

I posted deaths because they are deemed a far more reliable indicator of the state of the infection. Broad numbers of ‘infected’ are driven by raw testing numbers.
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Theo520 said:
Broad numbers of ‘infected’ are driven by raw testing numbers.
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They could be, but when the positives tests are only one in five, not so much.
It will be interesting to see what Sweden reports this week when the officials come back to wrook.
 
Restaurants and hospitality businesses would have ended up damaged no matter what you did.
Airlines and transportation as well.
Lots of sectors.
They left Tyson open and even ordered, it is questionable what will happen. With great human cost
 
I’m not surprised at the approach Sweden has taken. I recall in the past they did similar with another disease. It’s good to see that their strategy is working for them.
 
Can you provide a citation to the experts’ prediction?

The prediction that I have referred to saw the peak arriving in later May, with death by June/July 1 amounting to a quarter of that number.
 
But Sweden’s population is less dense than let’s say New York, actually New York’s population is greater than Sweden’s.

Then we also have to factor how much of Sweden’s population have auto-immune illnesses and/or co-morbidities, the median age . . .etc.

I don’t think a one size fits all answer for every nation under the present pandemic is the way to proceed because every nation has varying demographics/geographical differences!
 
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