S
SteveG
Guest
Just needed to correct my math. this should have read 99.9999975%. Should make you wonder even more why God would effectively keep 100% of humanity in the dark?
- Status
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
Friend, I have read several works of Swedenborg, and I assure you it’s not ignorance. The fact is that I have also read the scriptures, and the writings of those who learned from and knew the apostles (the early church fathers), and studied the history of the early church deeply, along with studying ancient Jewish culture of the 1st century (can you say the same?).
The simple fact is that the faith preached by Swedenborg has no resemblence to the faith taught by those who learned from, and passed to others, that which the Lord taught. Like it or not, your entire understanding hinges on the fact that you trust that the revelations of Swedenborg are real, but you have no way of knowing if that is so. With about 8 billion people on the planet and only 20,000 members of the new church, you should wonder why God would keep 99.9975% of the humanity in ignorance?
God did not give us an intellect and reason so that we could blindly turn it over to Emmanual Swedenborg, Joseph Smith, or Mohammed.
**The reason of this ignorance, is because the Roman Catholics rarely approach the Lord God our Saviour Jesus Christ, but instead of Him, the Pope as His vicar, and likewise the saints.
**Every human being is born into ignorance of the truth and lusting after evil, for his soul, which is derived from his father, is evil affection. The Lord alone was born hungering for good and desirous of truth, for His Soul, which was derived from the Father, was the Divine Itself, the affection belonging to Divine Love, or Divine Love from which He overpowered the external that was from the mother.
Only with the right kind of knowledge can a person come to an understanding of God.
Harry
The simple fact is that the faith preached by Swedenborg has no resemblence to the faith taught by those who learned from, and passed to others, that which the Lord taught. Like it or not, your entire understanding hinges on the fact that you trust that the revelations of Swedenborg are real, but you have no way of knowing if that is so. With about 8 billion people on the planet and only 20,000 members of the new church, you should wonder why God would keep 99.9975% of the humanity in ignorance?
God did not give us an intellect and reason so that we could blindly turn it over to Emmanual Swedenborg, Joseph Smith, or Mohammed.
**The reason of this ignorance, is because the Roman Catholics rarely approach the Lord God our Saviour Jesus Christ, but instead of Him, the Pope as His vicar, and likewise the saints.
**Every human being is born into ignorance of the truth and lusting after evil, for his soul, which is derived from his father, is evil affection. The Lord alone was born hungering for good and desirous of truth, for His Soul, which was derived from the Father, was the Divine Itself, the affection belonging to Divine Love, or Divine Love from which He overpowered the external that was from the mother.
Only with the right kind of knowledge can a person come to an understanding of God.
Harry
S
SteveG
Guest
Harry, this is pure falsity. Faitfhul Catholics who are at all knowledgeable about their faith do indeed approach Jesus Christ our Lord in prayer. I am not sure how to even respond to this. If this was your experience as a Catholic, I am deeply saddened, but to lay this on ‘Roman Catholics’ is simply incorrect. The center and source of our Faith is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. I assure you that most of the folks posting in these forums do indeed have a real personal relationship with Jesus in which we approach him in prayer, thought and action throughout each day. Your misguided view of what Catholics do and believe is unfortunate, but it is absolutely wrong.
Nonetheless, you continue to avoid my original question…
*** How do you KNOW Swedenborg was chosen? On what do you base that very strong claim?
**…and my new one as well…
With about 8 billion people on the planet and only 20,000 members of the new church, you should wonder why God would keep *** 99.9999975% of the humanity in ignorance. Can you explain this?
…Please answer these questions.
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
Nonetheless, you continue to avoid my original question…
How do you KNOW Swedenborg was chosen? On what do you base that very strong claim?
…and my new one as well…
*With about 8 billion people on the planet and only 20,000 members of the new church, you should wonder why God would keep *99.9999975% of the humanity in ignorance. Can you explain this?
…Please answer these questions.
Because I believe the writings are true. In the year 1966 I was led out of your church after I asked the Lord at Holy Communion to help to understand. I was led to Swedenborg’s writings. There is something else about me that no one here knows. It has something to do with Nostradamus. Nostradamus not only wrote about people well known to us. but also about people unknown. I believe he wrote about me. Here’s what was written. For he will come again in the 20th century,when that man,my spiritual son reads the Word correctly, and finds the key to understanding its true meaning.How I know it was me, I was shown by the Lord or heaven. I been posting Swedenborg’s writings since 1994 after I got my first computer. I know the Lord second coming was through Swedenborg. Three years ago I said to myself, “The Lord did not give me any authority to post Swedenborg’s writings.” I received my answer from the Lord through the movie called Nostradamus.
I study Nostradamus to see if I can find any correspondences in the writings,and I found it. “And the dead will come out of their graves.” I know what this means. This means those who are spiritually dead will receive truth and come alive spiritually.The grave means in false ideas. They will come out of their false ideas and come alive. Remember the Lord’s words in John.
It is the same with all the Lord’s miracles, which were Divine because they signified the various states of those with whom the church was to be set up anew by the Lord.When the blind received sight, it signified that they who had been in ignorance of truth should receive intelligence. When the deaf received hearing, it signified that they who had previously heard nothing about the Lord and the Word should hearken and obey. When the dead were raised, it signified that they who otherwise would spiritually perish would become living; and so on. This is meant by the Lord’s reply to the disciples of John, who sent them to ask whether He was the one that should come.
Tell John the things which ye do hear and see: the blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead rise again, and the poor hear the gospel (Matt. 11:3-5).
Harry
How do you KNOW Swedenborg was chosen? On what do you base that very strong claim?
…and my new one as well…
*With about 8 billion people on the planet and only 20,000 members of the new church, you should wonder why God would keep *99.9999975% of the humanity in ignorance. Can you explain this?
…Please answer these questions.
Because I believe the writings are true. In the year 1966 I was led out of your church after I asked the Lord at Holy Communion to help to understand. I was led to Swedenborg’s writings. There is something else about me that no one here knows. It has something to do with Nostradamus. Nostradamus not only wrote about people well known to us. but also about people unknown. I believe he wrote about me. Here’s what was written. For he will come again in the 20th century,when that man,my spiritual son reads the Word correctly, and finds the key to understanding its true meaning.How I know it was me, I was shown by the Lord or heaven. I been posting Swedenborg’s writings since 1994 after I got my first computer. I know the Lord second coming was through Swedenborg. Three years ago I said to myself, “The Lord did not give me any authority to post Swedenborg’s writings.” I received my answer from the Lord through the movie called Nostradamus.
I study Nostradamus to see if I can find any correspondences in the writings,and I found it. “And the dead will come out of their graves.” I know what this means. This means those who are spiritually dead will receive truth and come alive spiritually.The grave means in false ideas. They will come out of their false ideas and come alive. Remember the Lord’s words in John.
It is the same with all the Lord’s miracles, which were Divine because they signified the various states of those with whom the church was to be set up anew by the Lord.When the blind received sight, it signified that they who had been in ignorance of truth should receive intelligence. When the deaf received hearing, it signified that they who had previously heard nothing about the Lord and the Word should hearken and obey. When the dead were raised, it signified that they who otherwise would spiritually perish would become living; and so on. This is meant by the Lord’s reply to the disciples of John, who sent them to ask whether He was the one that should come.
Tell John the things which ye do hear and see: the blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead rise again, and the poor hear the gospel (Matt. 11:3-5).
Harry
D
Digitonomy
Guest
I’m still curious about the inhabitants of Mercury. Do they inhabit the physical world of Mercury, or merely the spirit realm? And are these writings any more or less important than the other revelations of Swedenborg?
S
SteveG
Guest
This post nearly made me weep, and it explained much of what I have seen in your posts. I am saddaned to see the error you have fallen into, but I don’t see any point in debating these things with you. It is very clear that you are somewhat delusional, and probably in need of counseling from a mental health professional, and in need of lots of prayer. I am not attacking you, trying to ridicule you, or saying this in jest, I am very serioius.
I am very familiar with Swedenborg theology, and have read almost all your posts in the various threads with great interest. I will plainly say that most of your postings makes little sense and are extremely difficult to follow, not because of our ignorance, but because you seem to be a bit disconnected from reality, and are not communicating things well. I have read Swedenborg and his writings. While I consider them heretical and flat out wrong, they are not necessarily confusing or hard to follow. But as you have seen, folks aren’t getting what you are saying in most cases, and leave your threads confused. It’s because you are not writing or communicating in a sensible or understandable fashion, not because of ignorance.
I pray you don’t feel insulted by this, and I would gladly continue talking if you like. I don’t wish to debate with you but would gladly be just a friend if you like.
As I said, I will keep you in my prayers.
In the Love of our Lord Jesus Christ
Steve
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
I pray you don’t feel insulted by this, and I would gladly continue talking if you like. I don’t wish to debate with you but would gladly be just a friend if you like.
As I said, I will keep you in my prayers.
In the Love of our Lord Jesus Christ
Steve
Don’t worry, I am not insulted, because I know the truth. The Catholic Church shouldn’t telling God who He should choose. If the Lord’s D-N-A were found the Catholic Church would be the first ones to make the coning, and make it the second coming. Why did Nosradamus write “And the dead should come out of their grave?”
Q 10 C74
The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs.
C 9 Q 66: Concerns about a new religion 66
There will be peace, union and change,
Estates, offices, low high and high very low:
To prepare a trip, the first offspring torment,
War to cease, civil process, debates.
Concerns the New Church
hometemple.org/Nostradamus.htm
Harry
As I said, I will keep you in my prayers.
In the Love of our Lord Jesus Christ
Steve
Don’t worry, I am not insulted, because I know the truth. The Catholic Church shouldn’t telling God who He should choose. If the Lord’s D-N-A were found the Catholic Church would be the first ones to make the coning, and make it the second coming. Why did Nosradamus write “And the dead should come out of their grave?”
Q 10 C74
The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs.
C 9 Q 66: Concerns about a new religion 66
There will be peace, union and change,
Estates, offices, low high and high very low:
To prepare a trip, the first offspring torment,
War to cease, civil process, debates.
Concerns the New Church
hometemple.org/Nostradamus.htm
Harry
O
Oren
Guest
i think what’s better is the stuff that Blake wrote against Swedenborg after he found out what he was really like. lol
H
hlgomez
Guest
Spiritualson,
If you believe in Swedenborg, why not believe the Saints who have deeper relationship with Christ? Is Swedenborg more important to you than they (saints)? If then, why not talk directly to God instead of Swedenborg? Surely you can trust God than him if that’s your common objection.
It is my understanding in your belief that if you believe in Swedenborg it is right. But if you believe in somebody other than him it is wrong. Hmmm… It’s then a matter of who to believe then… but when one says to believe in the Catholic church, it is flatly wrong…
Pio
If you believe in Swedenborg, why not believe the Saints who have deeper relationship with Christ? Is Swedenborg more important to you than they (saints)? If then, why not talk directly to God instead of Swedenborg? Surely you can trust God than him if that’s your common objection.
It is my understanding in your belief that if you believe in Swedenborg it is right. But if you believe in somebody other than him it is wrong. Hmmm… It’s then a matter of who to believe then… but when one says to believe in the Catholic church, it is flatly wrong…
Pio
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
** Swedenborg had several conversations with Augustine, who in the fourth century was bishop of Hippo in Africa*. He said that he was at the present time there, inspiring them to worship the Lord, and that he hoped to spread this new gospel into the surrounding districts. I heard of the angels’ joy at that revelation, which was opening for them a means of communicating with the human rational faculty, which up to now had been shut up by means of the universal dogma of the clergy that the understanding should be kept subject to faith.Spiritualson,
If you believe in Swedenborg, why not believe the Saints who have deeper relationship with Christ? Is Swedenborg more important to you than they (saints)? If then, why not talk directly to God instead of Swedenborg? Surely you can trust God than him if that’s your common objection.
It is my understanding in your belief that if you believe in Swedenborg it is right. But if you believe in somebody other than him it is wrong. Hmmm… It’s then a matter of who to believe then… but when one says to believe in the Catholic church, it is flatly wrong…
Pio
Harry
**
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
Today the Catholic Church saids the Lord’s Human Nature wasn’t Divine.
That the Human Nature of Jesus was exalted to Divine Majesty and Power is according to the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, also according to the Fathers as Athanasius, Augustine, Chrysostom, Eusebius, Cyril, Bustachius, Gregory, Epiphanius, Theodoret, Basil the Great, Theophylactus, Hilary, Origen, Nicephorus, Nyssenus, Vigilius and Lee.
This is confirmed from the Word in many places. That the Human Nature of Jesus received the most excellent, the greatest, supernatural and celestial properties, these being the prerogatives of Majesty,Strength,and Power; and also the spirit of all wisdom. That Jesus operates in, with and through each Nature, and through the Human as through the organ of Deity. That this takes place by hypostatic union, glorification, and exaltation.
The Lord is God 100% Even His Body was Divine.
Harry
That the Human Nature of Jesus was exalted to Divine Majesty and Power is according to the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, also according to the Fathers as Athanasius, Augustine, Chrysostom, Eusebius, Cyril, Bustachius, Gregory, Epiphanius, Theodoret, Basil the Great, Theophylactus, Hilary, Origen, Nicephorus, Nyssenus, Vigilius and Lee.
This is confirmed from the Word in many places. That the Human Nature of Jesus received the most excellent, the greatest, supernatural and celestial properties, these being the prerogatives of Majesty,Strength,and Power; and also the spirit of all wisdom. That Jesus operates in, with and through each Nature, and through the Human as through the organ of Deity. That this takes place by hypostatic union, glorification, and exaltation.
The Lord is God 100% Even His Body was Divine.
Harry
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
What’s the matter, don’t don’t believe what Nosradamus wrote. He wrote concerning the New Church.
To my son Cesar; he who will come at the end of the
twentieth century; My spiritual son. He will understand
what I have written and use the information wisely.
Michel de Nostredame (1503-1566)
This prophecy was by the Lord through Nostraramus. It concerns about a person who understands the written Word of God and use it wisely. It has nothing to do with understanding Nostradamus. It was the Lord who wrote the Gospels through the Apostles.What I have written means through the Apostles. Nostradamus was writing from the Lord not from himself.
I started posting Swedenborg’s writings in 1994 on the internet at the end of the twentieth century. That’s why the prophecy to Nostraramus son Cesar concerns me. Why me,because I was led out of the Catholic Church and taught the truth. Did you know God knows us before we are born. We choose our own way of life.
Harry
To my son Cesar; he who will come at the end of the
twentieth century; My spiritual son. He will understand
what I have written and use the information wisely.
Michel de Nostredame (1503-1566)
This prophecy was by the Lord through Nostraramus. It concerns about a person who understands the written Word of God and use it wisely. It has nothing to do with understanding Nostradamus. It was the Lord who wrote the Gospels through the Apostles.What I have written means through the Apostles. Nostradamus was writing from the Lord not from himself.
I started posting Swedenborg’s writings in 1994 on the internet at the end of the twentieth century. That’s why the prophecy to Nostraramus son Cesar concerns me. Why me,because I was led out of the Catholic Church and taught the truth. Did you know God knows us before we are born. We choose our own way of life.
Harry
L
Lion_of_Narnia
Guest
Does ANYONE (especially any U.K. subjects out there) realize just how sarcastic Blake was being??? I mean, the song is a blatant attack on the idea that God is an Englishman.
IMHO
P
Paul_Stephens
Guest
General Reminder:
This discussion has strayed from its original topic of Swedenborg and Padre Pio. Please return to the original topic under discussion. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Paul Stephens
Moderator
This discussion has strayed from its original topic of Swedenborg and Padre Pio. Please return to the original topic under discussion. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Paul Stephens
Moderator
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
Both Swedenborg and Padre Pio were good persons. Padre Pio didn’t let authority go to his head. He was against Bishops,Pontiffs and Cardinals did. The Lord favorited Padre Pio for the reason he gave all power to Him, and none to himself.
I know Padre Pio would had reformed the Catholic Church if he had been a Pope. He would had made a good Pope,a Pope who didn’t let authority go to his head. The know the Catholic Church had picked on Padre Pio in younger years.
Pope Sextus Quintus had talk with Swedenborg in the spiritual World.He told Swedenborg that he was made chief governor of a society collected from Catholics who excel the rest in judgment and industry.
He was made their chief governor for the reason that he had believed for half a year before his death that the vicarship was an invention for the sake of dominion over the soul of the members of the church.
And that the Lord the Savior, because He is God, is He who is alone to be adored and worshiped.And that the Sacred Scripture is Divine, and more holier than the edicts of popes.
He said that he remained firm in the belief of these two heads of religion until the end of his life. He also said that their saints are not anything.
He wondered when I related that it was decreed in a synod, and confirmed by a bull, that they should be invoked. He said that he led an active life as he had done in the world; and that he proposed to himself every morning nine or ten things, which he wished should be accomplished before evening.
The Pope said he spoken with the saints, Many of them become foolish, when they heard they were made saints by the church.
Thumbs up to that Pope.
He also called the pontiffs and Cardinals stupid. They wish to be adored like Christ, though not in person, and who do not acknowledge the Word as the Holy Divine itself, according to which alone one should live.
He wishes Swedenborg would say to those who are now living, that Jesus Christ alone is God of heaven and earth, and that the Word is the Holy Divine; and that the Holy Spirit does not speak through the mouth of anyone, but Satan who wishes to be adored as God.
To this Swedenborg said, “Perhaps these things are too hard for me to write.” But the Pope answered, “Write, and I will endorse it, because they are true.” And then he went away from Swedenborg into his society, and endorsed one copy, and transmitted it as a Bull to the other societies devoted to the same religion.
Harry
I know Padre Pio would had reformed the Catholic Church if he had been a Pope. He would had made a good Pope,a Pope who didn’t let authority go to his head. The know the Catholic Church had picked on Padre Pio in younger years.
Pope Sextus Quintus had talk with Swedenborg in the spiritual World.He told Swedenborg that he was made chief governor of a society collected from Catholics who excel the rest in judgment and industry.
He was made their chief governor for the reason that he had believed for half a year before his death that the vicarship was an invention for the sake of dominion over the soul of the members of the church.
And that the Lord the Savior, because He is God, is He who is alone to be adored and worshiped.And that the Sacred Scripture is Divine, and more holier than the edicts of popes.
He said that he remained firm in the belief of these two heads of religion until the end of his life. He also said that their saints are not anything.
He wondered when I related that it was decreed in a synod, and confirmed by a bull, that they should be invoked. He said that he led an active life as he had done in the world; and that he proposed to himself every morning nine or ten things, which he wished should be accomplished before evening.
The Pope said he spoken with the saints, Many of them become foolish, when they heard they were made saints by the church.
Thumbs up to that Pope.He also called the pontiffs and Cardinals stupid. They wish to be adored like Christ, though not in person, and who do not acknowledge the Word as the Holy Divine itself, according to which alone one should live.
He wishes Swedenborg would say to those who are now living, that Jesus Christ alone is God of heaven and earth, and that the Word is the Holy Divine; and that the Holy Spirit does not speak through the mouth of anyone, but Satan who wishes to be adored as God.
To this Swedenborg said, “Perhaps these things are too hard for me to write.” But the Pope answered, “Write, and I will endorse it, because they are true.” And then he went away from Swedenborg into his society, and endorsed one copy, and transmitted it as a Bull to the other societies devoted to the same religion.
Harry
R
RobedWithLight
Guest
You misrepresent the writings of these councils. You even confuse the natures. Jesus’ human nature isn’t divine because a nature cannot be divine and human at the same time, just as when you combine red and yellow produces orange, which itself is neither red nor yellow anymore. All that the Church teaches is that the **second Divine Person assumed human nature, while retaining His eternal Divine nature. Christ [person] is human[nature] and divine [nature]. **There is no confusion in what the Church teaches in this score. One Divine Person, Two Natures !
Gerry
F
flick427
Guest
UMMM…WHATEVER DUDE???..
R
RobedWithLight
Guest
SpiritualSon said:
:nope:
How did you know Swedenborg had conversations with St. Augustine?
And you have yet to answer what was asked of you:
**How did you know Swedenborg was chosen?
**Shall we take as gospel truth the words of any man who comes to us claiming to have been sent ?
Gerry
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
How did you know Swedenborg had conversations with St. Augustine?
And you have yet to answer what was asked of you:
**How did you know Swedenborg was chosen? **
Shall we take as gospel truth the words of any man who comes to us claiming to have been sent ?
Gerry
[/quote]
Than you don’t believe in life after death. People who lived and died centuries before Swedenborg are now living in the spiritual world.Swedenborg was chosen by God to speak with learneth men, but only with the ones who are in heaven.
Harry.
Harry
And you have yet to answer what was asked of you:
**How did you know Swedenborg was chosen?
**Shall we take as gospel truth the words of any man who comes to us claiming to have been sent ?
Gerry
[/quote]
Than you don’t believe in life after death. People who lived and died centuries before Swedenborg are now living in the spiritual world.Swedenborg was chosen by God to speak with learneth men, but only with the ones who are in heaven.
Harry.
Harry
S
SpiritualSon
Guest
I am sorry he did speak with those in hell, but they always give stupid answers.
Harry
- Status