Syria says Israel attacked military research center

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BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes attacked a military research center in Damascus province at dawn on Wednesday, Syria’s military command said, denying reports that the planes had struck a convoy carrying weapons from Syria to Lebanon…

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Good! the last thing Lebanon needs id to have more waepons in the hands of the Hezbollah. Since Obama Bin Laden will do nothing with Syria & Iran. I trust Israel will protect itself.

Peace!👍
 
Israeli jets bombed a convoy near Syria’s border with Lebanon early on Wednesday, sources told Reuters, apparently targeting weapons destined for Hezbollah in what some called a warning to Damascus not to arm Israel’s Lebanese enemy.
Syrian state television accused Israel of bombing a military research center, at Jamraya between the capital and the nearby border, but Syrian rebels disputed that, saying their forces had attacked the site. No source spoke of a second Israeli strike.
“The target was a truck loaded with weapons, heading from Syria to Lebanon,” said one Western diplomat, echoing others who said the convoy’s load may have included anti-aircraft missiles or long-range rockets. Several sources ruled out the presence of chemical weapons, about which Israel has also raised concerns.
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The multiple reports of this incident are all from anonymous sources, which speaks to the sensitivity of the matter, but also opens the door to misinformation. However, the claim is that the Israeli raid was intended to prevent sophisticated weaponry from being transferred to Hezbollah.
 
Good! the last thing Lebanon needs id to have more waepons in the hands of the Hezbollah. Since Obama Bin Laden will do nothing with Syria & Iran. I trust Israel will protect itself.

Peace!👍
Bad!

The last thing Israel needs is for Assad to fall.

The last thing the world needs is escalation designed to drag Russia and China into a regional war.
 
The regional officials said the shipment Israel was planning to strike included Russian-made SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles, which would be strategically “game-changing” in the hands of Hezbollah by enabling the group to carry out fiercer attacks on Israel and shoot down Israeli jets, helicopters and surveillance drones. A U.S. official said the strike hit a convoy of trucks but did not give an exact location.
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The heightened sense of alert in Israel this week had focused on the Syrian government’s precarious hold on its stockpiles of chemical weapons. But Israeli officials and experts have also voiced concern about the fate of what they describe as conventional “strategic weapons” in Syria, including advanced ground-to-air missiles, shore-to-sea missiles and anti-tank missiles. They say such weapons in the hands of Hezbollah, which Israel last fought in a monthlong war in 2006, could upset the current balance of forces in the region.
Amnon Sofrin, a retired brigadier general and former Israeli intelligence officer, told reporters in Jerusalem on Wednesday that Hezbollah, which is known to have been storing some of its more advanced weapons in Syria, was now eager to remove everything it could to Lebanon. He said Israel was carefully watching for convoys transferring weapons systems from Syria to Lebanon.
nytimes.com/2013/01/31/world/middleeast/syria-says-it-was-hit-by-strikes-from-israeli-planes.html?ref=global-home&_r=0
 
Lebanon is in desperate need of anti aircraft weapons, and until they get them, the Israeli Air Force will continue to violate there airspace.
 
Some context to the Israeli airstrike:
To date Israel has tried to steer clear of the Syrian conflict, fearing that any actions it might take, such as supporting opposition forces or launching a military strike, might backfire or become a propaganda coup for Damascus.
That very issue might lead the Syrian government, which has long claimed that U.S. and “Zionist” forces are behind the rebellion against Assad, to accuse Israel of attacking its territory.
Each side in the Syrian conflict has portrayed itself as an implacable enemy of Israel.
There is also concern that an Israeli strike could drag others into the Syrian conflict. Iran, Syria’s close ally, said early this week that any foreign attack against Syria would be regarded as an attack on Iran.
latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syrian-state-media-airstrike-israel-20130130,0,3694971.story
 
Syria is now confirming the attack, though they’re saying it was a research center bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21269766
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                      This appears to be a very blatant act of aggression by Israel against a nation fighting for it's life against Islamicists.
From Israel’s perspective, there isn’t a whole lot of difference between Iran’s ally, Assad and their colonial army Hezbollah, and whatever brand of Islamists might take over from Assad.

In fact, possibly the best of the likely outcomes for Israel would be the fall of Assad and Syria sinking into endless civil war among the various Sunni factions, hostile to Iran and Hezbollah, who would spend all their time fighting each other and Hezbollah so they could not mount a serious threat to Israel. A very bad outcome for Syrians, particularly Christians, Druze and Alawites, but probably not so bad for Israel.
 
Lebanon is in desperate need of anti aircraft weapons, and until they get them, the Israeli Air Force will continue to violate there airspace.
I don’t think the U.S. would care to arm Hezbollah with antiaircraft weapons, nor should it.
Merely violating the airspace of a country half occupied by Iran does not kill people. Shooting down Israeli planes by Hezbollah will get a lot of people killed.
 
That’s what I’ve been saying about the Civil War in Syria almost from the beginning. Israel want’s a weakened Syria, and they also want to see a weakened Lebanon, where another civil war could be kicking off soon. They’re more than happy to see Radical Sunnis killing Shia, Christians, Alawites and moderate Sunnis, if they think it’ll make them more secure.
 
That’s what I’ve been saying about the Civil War in Syria almost from the beginning. Israel want’s a weakened Syria, and they also want to see a weakened Lebanon, where another civil war could be kicking off soon. They’re more than happy to see Radical Sunnis killing Shia, Christians, Alawites and moderate Sunnis, if they think it’ll make them more secure.
I very much doubt Israel really wants a weakened Lebanon as Lebanon once was. But Lebanon is half occupied by an Iranian colonial army now, and given that, probably they do want Hezbollah weakened, if possible. But the actual Lebanese army that could hardly slow Hezbollah down from taking over the whole country? I doubt Israel wants it weakened any further.

I doubt Israel has any particular animosity toward Christians as Christians. After all, the only place in the whole Middle East where Christians are safe and where their population is growing is in Israel. Druze are not considered enemies by Israel. In fact, Israel drafts Druze living in Israel into the IDF; something it does not do with Arab Christians. Same with Circassians, of which there are perhaps 100,000 in Syria.

There are lots of moderate Sunnis in Israel, and some of them serve in the IDF and in the Israeli parliament.

But when it comes to the radical Islamists of any stripe; they are the enemy, nobody doubts it, and I’m sure Israel would not mind seeing them fight among themselves.

Alawites are Assad’s main supporters. If Assad falls, the Alawites are in the greatest danger of all from Sunni Islamist persecution. Israel might give the Alawites some weapons in that event, but not because it has any regard for them.
 
That’s what I’ve been saying about the Civil War in Syria almost from the beginning. Israel want’s a weakened Syria, and they also want to see a weakened Lebanon, where another civil war could be kicking off soon. They’re more than happy to see Radical Sunnis killing Shia, Christians, Alawites and moderate Sunnis, if they think it’ll make them more secure.
Exactly. The old divide and conquer strategy.

The only problem is that it will actually make Israel less safe in the long run. From a purely secular, strategic standpoint, Israel was much safer when Saddam and Gaddafi and Ben Ali and Mubarak were in power. If Assad falls, the matrix changes considerably and things get a whole lot more dangerous for Israel and the rest of the world.

The consequence of the War on Terror and the Arab Spring has NOT been to contain al-Qaeda and Islamic extremism. No. The consequence has been to make it easier for the Mujahideen to travel across borders. Just going by a numbers game, al-Qaeda and the Mujahideen are more numerous and expansive than at any time in their history. They basically have free roam in North and West Africa and in every area that has been touched by the War on Terror and the Arab Spring. Contrary to what Western propaganda tells us, they are growing stronger every day. The Western strategy in the Middle East is pure madness (with impulsive satanic forces in play, IMHO). It is almost like Israel welcomes the fact that she is being surrounded by Islamic forces. It is almost like southern Europe welcomes the fact that Islamic forces are growing stronger and stronger in North Africa. All those old Catholic prophecies about an Islamic invasion of Europe in the future don’t seem so far fetched any more.
 
More sabre rattling?
A jihadist website posted a new threat by al Qaeda this week that promises to conduct “shocking” attacks on the United States and the West.
The posting appeared on the Ansar al Mujahidin network Sunday and carried the headline, “Map of al Qaeda and its future strikes.”
The message, in Arabic, asks: “Where will the next strike by al Qaeda be?” A translation was obtained by Inside the Ring.
“The answer for it, in short: The coming strikes by al Qaeda, with God’s Might, will be in the heart of the land of nonbelief, America, and in France, Denmark, other countries in Europe, in the countries that helped and are helping France, and in other places that shall be named by al Qaeda at other times,” the threat states.
 
Exactly. The old divide and conquer strategy.

The only problem is that it will actually make Israel less safe in the long run. From a purely secular, strategic standpoint, Israel was much safer when Saddam and Gaddafi and Ben Ali and Mubarak were in power. If Assad falls, the matrix changes considerably and things get a whole lot more dangerous for Israel and the rest of the world.

The consequence of the War on Terror and the Arab Spring has NOT been to contain al-Qaeda and Islamic extremism. No. The consequence has been to make it easier for the Mujahideen to travel across borders. Just going by a numbers game, al-Qaeda and the Mujahideen are more numerous and expansive than at any time in their history. They basically have free roam in North and West Africa and in every area that has been touched by the War on Terror and the Arab Spring. Contrary to what Western propaganda tells us, they are growing stronger every day. The Western strategy in the Middle East is pure madness (with impulsive satanic forces in play, IMHO). It is almost like Israel welcomes the fact that she is being surrounded by Islamic forces. It is almost like southern Europe welcomes the fact that Islamic forces are growing stronger and stronger in North Africa. ** All those old Catholic prophecies about an Islamic invasion of Europe in the future don’t seem so far fetched any more**.
Interesting post in that I do agree with significant sections but not entirely.

You see I agree entirely with your critique of the “so-called” Arab Spring. It is a complete nightmare and charade. It has led to Islamist regimes popping up all over the Middle East in the place of secular dictatorships, all of them militantly Islamic in a way we have not encountered for centuries - with the exception of Iran’s bellicose statements and activities, most Muslim nations have simply not been as aggressive as the ones which are appearing, seem to be.

What happened in Iran in 1979, a Shia country, looks set to occur all over the Sunni world now too - a corrupt, secular ruler replaced by a de facto Islamic theocracy.

However I can’t entirely side with the party line “if Assad falls”. There are no winners and losers in Syria what ever way it pans out. Assad is supported militarily by Iran, another Islamic dictorship which lauds the “Arab Spring” in Tunisia, Bahrain, Egypt, Libya and elsewhere as an “awakening of Islam”.

If Assad stays, Iran has a powerful puppet regime which is vehemently anti-Israel and the West, and which gives it leverage in the entire region. The Ba’athist Party in Syria is practically neo-fascist. Assad’s regime is a personal regime; meaning a regime based and which revolves around the leader - a personality cult.

If Assad goes, he will likely be replaced by Sunni extremists with similar principles who will align themselves with Egypt, Libya etc.

Its a no win situation. Israel knows that the Ba’athist Party in Syria is an ally of Iran, its greatest enemy at the moment, so I can understand why it might be on the anti-Assad line. The truth is, either way I don’t see a good outcome.

BTW if you wish to rely on those prophecies as a means to interpreting contemporary events, perhaps you should consider this part of them. The Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser (1613-1658) speaks of the transition period between the fifth era of the Church [Sardis) and the sixth era (Philadelphia). He speaks of the role of the Jews in this transition period:

"…The Sixth Epoch of the World, which commences with the emancipation of the people of Israel and the restoration of the Temple and of the city of Jerusalem, will endure until the advent of Jesus Christ…For likewise, in this epoch, the people of Israel will be consoled to a very high degree by the Lord, our God, who will deliver them from the captivity of Babylon. The kingdoms, the nations, and the people will submit to the Roman Empire [new global structure]
, furiously vanquished by the very powerful and very illustrious monarch who will govern during fifty-six years, rendering the peace of the universe…"

***- Venerable Vartholomew Holzauser (1658), German Catholic mystic ***
 
You see I agree entirely with your critique of the “so-called” Arab Spring. It is a complete nightmare and charade. It has led to Islamist regimes popping up all over the Middle East in the place of secular dictatorships, all of them militantly Islamic in a way we have not encountered for centuries
Could you provide some examples of these militantly Islamic regimes? The only country I can think of to which might remotely apply would be Egypt. But even in that case, such a description would seem to be quite a stretch.
 
Could you provide some examples of these militantly Islamic regimes? The only country I can think of to which might remotely apply would be Egypt. But even in that case, such a description would seem to be quite a stretch.
Apologies, I should have said that I see them as heading that way, not that they necessarily are at the moment. Right now we are merely in the throes, witnessing the birth pangs of the new extreme politics that is going to dominate the Middle East.

Two years after the beginning of the Arab Uprising in North Africa and the Middle East, the Islamists seem to have emerged as the clear winners. Many are now claiming that the Arab Spring has been followed by an Islamist winter, not just me or indeed Trappist (who I usually don’t agree with on anything).

In Tunisia, the first Arab Spring country, the Islamist Nahda Party captured a 41% plurality of the total vote for the 2011 elections. Islamists/Salafists achieved almost identical victories in Morocco, Libya and many more countries.

You can expect that what happened in Egypt, the largest Arab country, will happen in all these countries as well. Euphoria at first, Islamists gain a foothold, emergency acts such as the one in Egypt will be passed putting the new governments above judicial review/control, Sharia law will be implemented and minorities will be persecuted.

Already the fallout from Libya has caused a vast array of arms to be shipped to militants in Mali and Algeria, likely because of the chaos which has ensued in the wake of the revolutions.

Just watch. Its inevitable. This sadly is not the Communist Bloc 1989-1991, nor the Springtime of the Nations 1848.

It isn’t for nothing that Iran enthusiastically supports the Arab Spring outside Syria.

We’re in for a long night, I fear.
 
If the news article is correct, and if the centre was self described as a “scientific research center aimed at raising the level of resistance and self-defense” by the Syrians themselves, then reading between the lines, I would assume it was a chemical or biological warfare laboratory.

I can’t see the Jews sitting on their hands if they thought the Syrian regime was going to allocate these sorts of weapons to militant groups like Hezbollah to keep them out of the hands of their own rebels.

But that’s only an educated guess based on what’s been said. As usual the Jews knew who was having breakfast, with whom, what they talked about, and when they intended to walk out the front door.
 
Indeed, Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has described the Arab Spring as a “…widespread awakening of nations, which is directed towards Islamic goals…”

I’m afraid that Khameini is spot on whether Westerners delude ourselves otherwise. One Iranian official even went so far as to say that, “the wave of the Islamic awakening resonated through the Islamic world as an export of the Islamic Republic of Iran”.

Now that might seem ludicrous given that apart from the Shias of Bahrain who are protesting against their minority Sunni government, it is largely Sunni protests.

However Iran is not wrong in its evaluation. Read:
Islamists in Iran and Egypt have a strong ideological connection. They share anti-Israel sentiment, and support Hamas against the secular-nationalist Fatah in the Palestinians’ internecine struggle. Committed to governance under Sharia (Islamic law), they both view Western culture as a threat.
Iran knows that there is a real similarity between the Arab Spring and its own 1979 revolution (yes not the aborted Green Movement protests of 2009).

That too was a popular revolution against a corrupt secular dictator, the Shah.

At that time Khomeini promised democracy, women’s rights and freedom. Just listen to his words before the Revolution while in exile in France in Novemeber 1978 and consider: Does it sound similar to rhetoric from the Muslim Brotherhood and there so-called “democratic” aims?
“…The people will not rest until the Pahlavi rule has been swept away and all traces of tyranny have disappeared. As long as the Shah’s satanic power prevails, not a single true representative of the people can possibly be elected…With people’s revolutionary rage, the king will be ousted and a democratic state, Islamic Republic, will be established…In Iran’s future Islamic system everyone can express their opinion, and the Islamic government will respond to logic with logic…Our future society will be a free society, and all the elements of oppression, cruelty, and force will be destroyed…I don’t want to have the power or the government in my hand; I am not interested in personal power…The foundation of our Islamic government is based on freedom of dialogue and will fight against any kind of censorship…These words that you have heard regarding women in the future Islamic government are all hostile propaganda. In the Islamic Republic women have complete freedom, in their education, in everything that they do, just as men are free in everything…”
***- Ayatollah Khomeini (Novemember 1978 interview) ***
This is Time magazine discussing Ayatollah Khomeini’s plans, shortly after he arrived back in Iran in 1979:
“…Those who know the Ayatullah expect that eventually he will settle in the Shi’ite holy city of Qum and resume a life of teaching and prayer. It seems improbable that he would try to become a kind of Archbishop Makarios of Iran, directly holding the reins of power. Khomeini believes that Iran should become a parliamentary democracy, with several political parties. But he is unlikely to withdraw to shadows and silence until Iran adopts a new constitution and the threat of civil war is removed…”
Khomeini successfully fooled the West. When he came to power in 1979 he declared not a democratic republic but an Islamic theocracy with Himself as Supreme Leader with absolute power.
 
Syria is a particularly sore point for Iran:
“…The promises and pitfalls of the Arab Spring can therefore be seen as part of a larger picture in which Iran’s advances and setbacks are linked to efforts to curtail its influence and ambitions. This is the fundamental issue preoccupying Western policy makers: how to stymie Iranian advances into the vacuums that have emerged in the wake of the Arab Spring at a time when the perceived need to limit its influence, limit its trade, and limit its ambitions has been greatly heightened…Accounts in the Iranian press accordingly reel off a long list of countries in their reports on the Arab Spring – Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen will inevitably make their appearances – whilst Syria’s unrest is conspicuous by its absenceThe fall of the House of Assad, without question, would be the single most significant geostrategic setback Iran could end up facing as a result of the Arab Spring, depriving Iran of a stalwart regional partner as well as its collaborator in the support of groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas…”
***- Naysan Rafati (Iran specialist, University of Oxford and the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies, in Iranian Studies), January 18th 2013 ***
Here is the reason why, apart from Syria where Iran would suffer a blow, it welcomes the Arab Spring elsewhere:
"…Not since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War has the Middle East experienced such comprehensive change.

Dictators have been toppled in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen; Syria is suffering civil war; and rebellion is smouldering in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait.

But it is Iran, one of the oldest and richest civilizations in the area, that has suddenly found a new prominence to match its craving for recognition as a regional power.

**“When the Arab Spring is over, Iran could emerge with a sphere of influence stretching from western Afghanistan to the Mediterranean,” said George Friedman, founder of Stratfor Global Intelligence.
He predicts “a massive shift in the balance of power in the region, with Iran moving from a fairly marginal power to potentially a dominant power.”**
A revolutionary theocracy and major world oil supplier, the Islamic Republic of Iran has, since its inception, demanded recognition as a regional power, sought to lead the Muslim world and dreamed of creating an Islamic superpower.

It perpetually sees the United States, the “Great Satan,” as a deadly rival. It also adopts a stridently anti-Israel stance and is widely suspected of secretly seeking nuclear weapons’ capability so it can pursue its ambitions more assertively. But, even without nuclear weapons, Iran is seeing many of its wishes come true.

The U.S. and Israel are witnessing their influence and power deteriorate in the Middle East as the Arab Spring robs them of old allies and shatters old assumptions.

The fall of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt robbed Israel of a stable southern border and the certainties of a 32-year-old peace treaty, while open rebellion in Syria is bringing instability to the Jewish state’s northern border.

When the United States overthrew Iraq’s Saddam Hussein in 2003, it removed an historical barrier to Iran’s regional ambitions, accomplishing in weeks what Iran had failed to do in eight years of brutal war.

Now U.S. troops are withdrawing from Iraq, Washington is leaving behind a Shiite-dominated, Iran-leaning government in Baghdad.

The loss of friendly dictatorships in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya has thrown U.S. diplomacy in the Middle East into flux. Disagreements with Saudi Arabia over the handling of protests in Bahrain and Yemen have also driven a wedge of doubt between the two allies.

As Washington struggles with the region’s new realities, it sees the containment of Iran as an essential element of its Middle East foreign policy. The U.S. blames Tehran for terrorist attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan, destabilizing Lebanon, supporting repression in Syria, funding Hamas in Gaza, threatening Israel with extinction and fuelling the rise of Islamist radicalism.

Iran’s growing influence has serious consequences for the Middle East’s stability. Israel, the Palestinians, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and the Gulf states are all affected by the growing tension that surround its rise.

“The United States sees Iran as a potential strategic rival, while Tehran views the American presence in the Middle East as a potential existential threat,” said Shahram Chubin, a Geneva-based Iran expert associated with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Thirty-two years after the Shah fell, Iran’s actions internationally are still driven by perceptions of U.S. opposition to its Islamic revolution…
Officially, the Iranian government has embraced the Arab Spring, insisting the new wave of Islamic revolutions are an imitation of its success and a defeat for the United States.

“The fall of dictators in the Middle East and Africa means a loss of a foothold for the U.S. and Israel,” Ramin Mehmanparast, a spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry, told an academic conference in Tehran this week.

“The Americans are bewildered and confused in their decisions and behaviour in the face of the regional revolutions.”
“In formulating its regional vision, the Islamic Republic has tried to marry two disparate strands of Iran’s identity: Persian nationalism and Shiite Islam,” he said…
Read more (Its from last November): fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/26/peter-goodspeed-the-arab-spring-has-allowed-iran-to-expand-its-sphere-of-influence/
 
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