Syria used Chemical weapons?

[BroomWagon]

BINGO!

With regard to Syria, during the debates, I remember Romney actually calling for MORE intervention than Obama. What a disgrace.

Everyone of our political “leaders” that has called for supporting the “Syrian Rebels” should be detained under the provisions of the NDAA.

But you don’t criticise Obama for killing innocent civilians through Drone Strikes? Of course not. And it’s nothing to you if innocent Christians are killed in Egypt because of the so-called Arab Spring.

Disgraceful. Next you’ll be saying once a baby is born, the mother should have a right to decide whether it has a right to live.

 

[BroomWagon]

It appears like Romney revised his position on Syria in the debates, it’s disgraceful not to mention this, it’s disgraceful to even not acknowledge that one could say Drone Strikes under Obama have killed many innocents. Perhaps some were killed during the Bush administration too, but you can be all right and call the goose a ganger.

Romney sidestepped his past statements on the matter in an effort to basically tie himself to Obama’s position. He criticized Obama for handing over too much responsibility to the United Nations and Russia. But while he demanded more American leadership on Syria, he didn’t outline exactly what he meant, save to rule out a military option.

“We don’t have military involvement there. We don’t want to get drawn into military involvement there,” he said. “We should be playing the leadership role there. Not on the ground with military.”

This is a different Romney than in forums and debates past. He has suggested arming rebels in Syria. And in a November 2011 Republican primary debate, he outlined in specific terms what he would do with respect to regime change.

huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/romney-obama-syria-debate_n_2003918.html

 

[mary_bobo]

In my view, abundant caution before launching another war is a good thing. There are other nations that are far closer to this conflict who have the capability of dealing with the situation if it is shown that the attacks actually occurred. That said, British intelligence is among the best.

As an aside, did you think British intelligence was among the best when they, too, thought Sadam had WMD? I would prefer others deal with this, if true, but as far as the UN is concerned, forget it. They are an absolutely worthless organization with delegates living it up and we are paying for it in large measure.

 

[pepipop]

Fighting reported near suspected chemical weapons site in Syria

‘Suspected’ being the operative word.

worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/28/17959388-fighting-reported-near-suspected-chemical-weapons-site-in-syria?lite

*AMMAN, Jordan — Fighting erupted in Damascus on Sunday near a complex linked to Syria’s chemical weapons program, on the third day of an offensive by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces aimed at driving rebels from main sectors of the capital, activists said.

The fighting occurred near the Scientific Studies and Research Center on the foothills of Qasioun Mountain in the northern Barzeh district, opposition sources said from Damascus.

Barzeh is one of several working class neighborhoods that have turned into footholds for opposition brigades, who have infiltrated Damascus from swathes of farmland dotted with built-up areas on the outskirts of Damascus known as al-Ghouta.
*

 

[HansTrappist]

But you don’t criticise Obama for killing innocent civilians through Drone Strikes? Of course not. And it’s nothing to you if innocent Christians are killed in Egypt because of the so-called Arab Spring.

Disgraceful. Next you’ll be saying once a baby is born, the mother should have a right to decide whether it has a right to live.

Huh?

If you had read my previous posts, you would know what I think of Obama.

But in case you missed it: Obama is as much or more of a warmonger than Bush. Obama also supports Murder (abortion) on demand.

And in terms of Obama and civil liberties, I responded to you in an earlier thread by citing Jonathan Turley’s op-ed about how Obama has committed more resignable offences than Nixon: usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/25/nixon-has-won-watergate/2019443/

 

[buffalo]

Where does everyone think Saddam’s WMD’s ended up? Syria of course. Satellites recorded the convoys.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Where does everyone think Saddam’s WMD’s ended up? Syria of course. Satellites recorded the convoys.

They were destroyed in compliance with UN Resolutions, as the ISG noted. In terms of the trucks, we intercepted a few. No WMDs; just stacks of cash, bars of gold, and art. In short, what one would expect to be evacuated from a country about to be in or the course of being invaded.

 

[buffalo]

They were destroyed in compliance with UN Resolutions, as the ISG noted. In terms of the trucks, we intercepted a fe pect to be evacuated from a country about to be in or the course of being invaded.

Saddam used chem weapons the Kurds.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Saddam used chem weapons the Kurds.

Decades earlier.

 

[buffalo]

Decades earlier.

Correct. A few years ago there were some pretty good debates here about WMD’s. I was able to repeatedly show from the DCI’s own website what was being reported to Americans was in conflict.

A pretty good book to read is
Secret History of the Iraq War

In the months leading up to March 2003, fresh from its swift and heady victory in Afghanistan, the Bush administration mobilized the United States armed forces to overthrow the government of Iraq. Eight months after the president declared an end to major combat operations, Saddam Hussein was captured in a farmhouse in Al-Dawr. And yet neither peace nor democracy has taken hold in Iraq; instead the country has plunged into terrorist insurgency and guerrilla warfare, with no end in sight. What went wrong?
In The Secret History of the Iraq War, bestselling author Yossef Bodansky offers an astonishing new account of the war and its aftermath – a war that was doomed from the start, he argues, by the massive and systemic failures of the American intelligence community. Drawing back the curtain of politicized debate, Bodansky – a longtime expert and director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare – reveals that nearly every aspect of America’s conflict with Iraq has been misunderstood, in both the court of public opinion and the White House itself. Among his revelations:

• The most authoritative account of Saddam Hussein’s support for Islamic terrorist organizations – including extensive new reporting on his active cooperation with al-Qaeda in Iraq long after the fall of Baghdad
• Extensive new information on Iraq’s major chemical and biological weapons programs – including North Korea’s role in building still-undetected secret storage facilities and Iraq’s transfer of banned materials to Syria, Iran, and Libya
• The first account of Saddam’s plan for Iraq, Syria, and Iran to join Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian forces to attack Israel, throw the region into turmoil, and upend the American campaign
• The untold story of Russia’s attempt to launch a coup against Saddam before the war – and how the CIA thwarted it by ensuring that Iraq was forewarned
• Dramatic details about Saddam’s final days on the run, including the untold story of a near miss with U.S. troops and the stunning revelation that Saddam was already in custody at the time of his capture – and was probably betrayed by members of his own Tikriti clan
• The definitive account of the anti-U.S. resistance and uprising in Iraq, as the American invasion ignited an Islamic jihad and Iran-inspired intifada, threatening to plunge the region into irreversible chaos fueled by hatred and revenge
• Revelations about the direct involvement of Osama bin Laden in the terrorism campaigns in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the Middle East – including the major role played by Iran and HizbAllah in al-Qaeda’s operations

Drawing upon an extraordinary wealth of previously untapped intelligence and regional sources, The Secret History of the Iraq War presents the most detailed, fascinating, and convincing account of the most controversial war of our times – and offers a sobering indictment of an intelligence system that failed the White House, the American military, and the people of the Middle East.

 

[BroomWagon]

Saddam used chem weapons the Kurds.

The President today nominated** Lt. Gen. James Clapper USAF (Ret) to be Director of National Intelligence. Clapper is now the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.**
**Clapper says Saddam Hussein’s WMD and supporting documents were sent to Syria in the weeks before the 2003 U.S. invasion. Satellite images released in 2004 by the Pentagon show Russian vehicles loading materials at Iraqi factories. Clapper was present at a meeting of East European intelligence officials who disclosed Russia’s role in moving the Iraqi material out of the country. **Senior Israeli military officers have said their country snapped line of sight photographs of convoys leaving Iraq for Syria before the war.

diplomatdc.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/obama-dni-says-saddam-husseins-wmd-stockpile-sent-to-syria-by-gregory-hilton/

Even this associate of Obama in National Intelligence says the WMDs were transferred to Syria. Period.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

I wonder where they got them…

Some people are saying they got them from Saddam, but it’s extremely unlikely. Syria has had chemical weapons since the 1970s. They first got them from Egypt—Egypt has been known to have had chemical weapons at least since the early sixties, when they clashed with the Saudis in the Yemeni civil war. And Syria and Egypt were temporarily politically united from 1958 to 1961.

After that, they were getting them from the USSR.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

I say show us the evidence so we are not faced with another war to find weapons of mass destruction. Call me a cynic but the military and industrial complex, the oil industry, the members of the grove and illuminati, and bankers seem eager for another resource war because it is so profitable and it costs them nothing as the cost is payed for by tax payers. the ultimate price will be paid for with the lives of soldiers and the civilians. Consider the hundreds of thousands killed in Irag and they are worse off than before.

There’s no doubt that chemical weapons DO exist in Syria. It’s well-documented from as far back as the seventies at least. nti.org/media/pdfs/syria_chemical.pdf?_=1316466790

In fact, Ehud Barak once said that Syria probably had a bigger CW arsenal than Saddam Hussein.

What I find interesting is that NOW Republicans are all hot to do something aggressive about it, even in the face of growing certainty that the “rebels” are increasingly permeated by al-Qaeda and its fellow travelers. This, after no less than five previous Republican administrations saw no reason to do so, even right after the Yom Kippur War.

 

[HansTrappist]

Where does everyone think Saddam’s WMD’s ended up? Syria of course. Satellites recorded the convoys.

Nonsense.

Satellites recorded convoys, true. But there is no evidence (of the sort that would hold up in a court of law) that chemical weapons were being transported in those convoys.

The more interesting question is, “Where did Saddam get those chemical weapons from?” Answer: Donald Rumsfeld (dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html):

*US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.

As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.

The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.

They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.

The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.

At the very least, it is highly embarrassing for 70-year-old Mr Rumsfeld, who is the most powerful and vocal of all the hawks surrounding President Bush.

He bitterly condemns Saddam as a ruthless and brutal monster and frequently backs up his words…*

Irony of ironies: the first country in the Middle East to use chemical WMDs was Iraq. Iraq got these WMDs from the USA. Iraq then used these WMDs on Iran who we are now looking to attack to destroy imaginary WMDs. LOL!

 

[petronus]

It’s sad by how many Catholics listen to their political parties rather than the church on matters of war and economics.

How very true .

Such Catholics need to examine their consciences and see whether they are in a fit state to receive the Eucharist .

 

[GaryTaylor]

What’s attempting to be done is prevention, the on-going concern is who’s hands these weapons will wind up in. This is an aspect overlooked here.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq:

The elitist liberal media plays this down, the Left is both uninformed and fierce.

There is something of a quality of “too good to be true,” or of “tongue-in-cheek” about this, which is, after all, a blog entry. Case in point? Two, actually.

“Iran, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, and various Emirates have asked for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss re-disarming Iraq, although they mispelled it yet again as I-S-R-A-E-L.”

and

“Local media outlets reported that Cheney had been observed repeatedly firing his shotgun in celebration, wounding 14 guests.”

 

[Filii_Dei]

So you see it the same way with the current administration supporting drone strikes that have reportedly killed innocents? As well as find trouble with fast and furious guns that have killed innocents in Mexico? You say that Obama has blood on his hands?? Do you say this same thing about the Democrat Party supporting Planned Parenthood who in turn support infanticide?

But you don’t criticise Obama for killing innocent civilians through Drone Strikes? Of course not. And it’s nothing to you if innocent Christians are killed in Egypt because of the so-called Arab Spring.

Disgraceful. Next you’ll be saying once a baby is born, the mother should have a right to decide whether it has a right to live.

I notice a trend here. Why do you automatically assume that anybody who opposes the war must be a rabid leftist liberal Obama supporter and pro-abortionist? For the record, HansTrappist and Tony Micelli have repeatedly spoken out the Obama administration as well as society’s culture of death, and have specifically denounced the policies and supporters of abortion, homosexual marriage, and the persecution of Christians amidst the Islamist-driven Arab Spring. You would know this if you paid attention to their posts.

However, despite all this evidence to the contrary, you have lashed out at them and made personal attacks, false accusations and rhetorical statements regarding their personal morality and political allegiances, and what for? They merely disagreed with your position on the Iraq War and Syria. If you may believe that they are misguided, there are better ways of getting your point across. However, this manner of conduct toward your fellow Catholics is uncharitable and absolutely shameful.

 

[BroomWagon]

I notice a trend here. Why do you automatically assume that anybody who opposes the war must be a rabid leftist liberal Obama supporter and pro-abortionist? For the record, HansTrappist and Tony Micelli have repeatedly spoken out the Obama administration as well as society’s culture of death, and have specifically denounced the policies and supporters of abortion, homosexual marriage, and the persecution of Christians amidst the Islamist-driven Arab Spring. You would know this if you paid attention to their posts.

However, despite all this evidence to the contrary, you have lashed out at them and made personal attacks, false accusations and rhetorical statements regarding their personal morality and political allegiances, and what for? They merely disagreed with your position on the Iraq War and Syria. If you may believe that they are misguided, there are better ways of getting your point across. However, this manner of conduct toward your fellow Catholics is uncharitable and absolutely shameful.

Please do not attempt to intimidate me, you have a moderator button if you find a post objectionable rather than to publicly castigate others because maybe you share common sentiments with these others.

Please lecture and sermonize others about uncharitable behavior. Hans Trappist is basically telling an absolute falsehood on Romney. But you say nothing. That’s hypocrisy.

Sometimes when we point one finger at others, we’ve got 4 more pointing back.

 

[BroomWagon]

I notice a trend here. Why do you automatically assume that anybody who opposes the war must be a rabid leftist liberal Obama supporter and pro-abortionist? For the record, HansTrappist and Tony Micelli have repeatedly spoken out the Obama administration as well as society’s culture of death, and have specifically denounced the policies and supporters of abortion, homosexual marriage, and the persecution of Christians amidst the Islamist-driven Arab Spring. You would know this if you paid attention to their posts.

However, despite all this evidence to the contrary, you have lashed out at them and made personal attacks, false accusations and rhetorical statements regarding their personal morality and political allegiances, and what for? They merely disagreed with your position on the Iraq War and Syria. If you may believe that they are misguided, there are better ways of getting your point across. However, this manner of conduct toward your fellow Catholics is uncharitable and absolutely shameful.

Vote for Ron Paul!

The Boston Marathon Bombing is a complex conspiracy.

A Romney Presidency would have cut down on abortions, but would not have cut out all abortions per the Catholic view. He must be perfectly like my beliefs.

For the record, maybe if I make posts like this, I will be in your good graces.