Syria used Chemical weapons?

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BroomWagon said:
Please do not attempt to intimidate me, you have a moderator button if you find a post objectionable rather than to publicly castigate others because maybe you share common sentiments with these others.

Please lecture and sermonize others about uncharitable behavior. Hans Trappist is basically telling an absolute falsehood on Romney. But you say nothing. That’s hypocrisy.

Sometimes when we point one finger at others, we’ve got 4 more pointing back.
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BroomWagon said:
Vote for Ron Paul!

The Boston Marathon Bombing is a complex conspiracy.

A Romney Presidency would have cut down on abortions, but would not have cut out all abortions per the Catholic view. He must be perfectly like my beliefs.

For the record, maybe if I make posts like this, I will be in your good graces.
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This argument is taking a turn for the bizarre. I shall now withdraw from this discussion. I apologise for not continuing and I thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. May God’s peace be with you. 🙂
 
HansTrappist said:
Nonsense.

Satellites recorded convoys, true. But there is no evidence (of the sort that would hold up in a court of law) that chemical weapons were being transported in those convoys.

The more interesting question is, “Where did Saddam get those chemical weapons from?” Answer: Donald Rumsfeld (dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html):
*US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.

As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.

The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.

They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.

The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.

At the very least, it is highly embarrassing for 70-year-old Mr Rumsfeld, who is the most powerful and vocal of all the hawks surrounding President Bush.

He bitterly condemns Saddam as a ruthless and brutal monster and frequently backs up his words…*Irony of ironies: the first country in the Middle East to use chemical WMDs was Iraq. Iraq got these WMDs from the USA. Iraq then used these WMDs on Iran who we are now looking to attack to destroy imaginary WMDs. LOL!
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Right, the satellites could not see through the canvas.

The intelligence community knew that they were transporting weapons. Saddam also flew his planes into Syria.

Bush took it on the chin on this one because the “hot pursuit” clause would open up another war front. Condoleeza Rice advised him to sit tight.
 
buffalo said:
Right, the satellites could not see through the canvas.

The intelligence community knew that they were transporting weapons. Saddam also flew his planes into Syria.

Bush took it on the chin on this one because the “hot pursuit” clause would open up another war front. Condoleeza Rice advised him to sit tight.
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Actually, there might be evidence. Eye-witness evidence.
The President today nominated Lt. Gen. James Clapper USAF (Ret) to be Director of National Intelligence. Clapper is now the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
Clapper says Saddam Hussein’s WMD and supporting documents were sent to Syria in the weeks before the 2003 U.S. invasion. Satellite images released in 2004 by the Pentagon show Russian vehicles loading materials at Iraqi factories. Clapper was present at a meeting of East European intelligence officials who disclosed Russia’s role in moving the Iraqi material out of the country. Senior Israeli military officers have said their country snapped line of sight photographs of convoys leaving Iraq for Syria before the war.
Nothing was suppressed. Gen. Clapper discussed the satellite imaging photos in 2004. He was head of the agency that reviewed those photos from 2001 to 2006. The media just ignored his comments.
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diplomatdc.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/obama-dni-says-saddam-husseins-wmd-stockpile-sent-to-syria-by-gregory-hilton/

But no, we must rely on one article, one train of thought and discount any other information or risk being criticized.🤷 Othewise we are doing “LOL” laugh out loud reasoning? :confused:
 
Filii_Dei said:
I notice a trend here. Why do you automatically assume that anybody who opposes the war must be a rabid leftist liberal Obama supporter and pro-abortionist? For the record, HansTrappist and Tony Micelli have repeatedly spoken out the Obama administration as well as society’s culture of death, and have specifically denounced the policies and supporters of abortion, homosexual marriage, and the persecution of Christians amidst the Islamist-driven Arab Spring. You would know this if you paid attention to their posts.

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So you say.
 
HansTrappist said:
Nonsense.

Satellites recorded convoys, true. But there is no evidence (of the sort that would hold up in a court of law) that chemical weapons were being transported in those convoys.

The more interesting question is, “Where did Saddam get those chemical weapons from?” Answer: Donald Rumsfeld (dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html):🙂

*US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.

As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.

The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily*. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.

They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.

The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.

At the very least, it is highly embarrassing for 70-year-old Mr Rumsfeld, who is the most powerful and vocal of all the hawks surrounding President Bush.

He bitterly condemns Saddam as a ruthless and brutal monster and frequently backs up his words…

Irony of ironies: the first country in the Middle East to use chemical WMDs was Iraq. Iraq got these WMDs from the USA. Iraq then used these WMDs on Iran who we are now looking to attack to destroy imaginary WMDs. LOL!
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I find your post amazing.

You say the Don Rumsfield helped Iraq develop chemical weapons in the very same post that you claim that Iraq was using chemical weapons daily before they were even approached by Rumsfield. Did the pharmaceutical company also have a time machine?:rolleyes:

The pharmaceutical company Rumsfield worked for was best known for developing the first commercial oral contraceptive, the first bulk laxative, Metamucil and Dramamine, for motion sickness.
 
i have just watched Iron man 3.what a film it was,it put into perspective what the UN/Nato UK,EU,USA the lot of em are up to with charade what has been going on for far too long in the world… i recommend people to watch it… there is more to it than what meets the eye…

btw… Iraq was started of a lie of Tony Blair the Americans believed it so did the rest of the band wagon that joined in…

the man who was in charge of the detection of nuclear weapons ended up killing himself,through fear i suppose of what he knew,or maybe killed for what he knew… only God knows.his name was David Kelly links below… but it was started on a lie… Tony blair one of the first things he changed when he got appointed PM he abolished the hanging for treason act in british law… he covered his bases before he made the next move…

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting “proactive” but not always the “immediate” Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks. The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert

telegraph.co.uk/news/9861704/Doctors-call-for-Dr-David-Kelly-inquest-to-resume.html
 
doormouse73 said:
i have just watched Iron man 3.what a film it was,it put into perspective what the UN/Nato UK,EU,USA the lot of em are up to with charade what has been going on for far too long in the world… i recommend people to watch it… there is more to it than what meets the eye…

btw… Iraq was started of a lie of Tony Blair the Americans believed it so did the rest of the band wagon that joined in…

the man who was in charge of the detection of nuclear weapons ended up killing himself,through fear i suppose of what he knew,or maybe killed for what he knew… only God knows.his name was David Kelly links below… but it was started on a lie… Tony blair one of the first things he changed when he got appointed PM he abolished the hanging for treason act in british law… he covered his bases before he made the next move…

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting “proactive” but not always the “immediate” Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks. The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

telegraph.co.uk/news/9861704/Doctors-call-for-Dr-David-Kelly-inquest-to-resume.html
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Just to be clear. A “stockpile” of WMD’s does not occupy the space one would think. You can fit a lot in the space of a garage. There are a lot of garages in Iraq.

The US Congress received intelligence and debated funding the invasion for 15 months. They were convinced he had capabilities and would use them.

The US congress could have defunded the operation at any time.
 
buffalo said:
Just to be clear. A “stockpile” of WMD’s does not occupy the space one would think. You can fit a lot in the space of a garage. There are a lot of garages in Iraq.

The US Congress received intelligence and debated funding the invasion for 15 months. They were convinced he had capabilities and would use them.

The US congress could have defunded the operation at any time.
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You can fit a lot in the space of a garage. There are a lot of garages in Iraq.
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and to this day have they found this garage?? please,do tell…
 
SamH said:
Just 550 metric tons of yellowcake that sitting around in Iraq…

cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/
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why wasnt this on the news in my country then??

or is it just an American thing?

if i was to say where are the pictures or film footage of this being transported would you have it,was that on the news aswell?

im not going for a shot in the dark here,im going of propaganda.

if it was to be,then could it be said that it was placed by the Allied troops to justify there claim?
 
SamH said:
What country is that?

It wasn’t covered all that much in the US either. Do you think CNN is doing Bush a favor by faking a story? You don’t know CNN.
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im from the UK…

CNN doing bush a favour?? more like colluding with the partners in crime…
 
doormouse73 said:
why wasnt this on the news in my country then??

or is it just an American thing?

if i was to say where are the pictures or film footage of this being transported would you have it,was that on the news aswell?

im not going for a shot in the dark here,im going of propaganda.

if it was to be,then could it be said that it was placed by the Allied troops to justify there claim?
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Everyone should ask that question - why didn’t I know that?
 
buffalo said:
Everyone should ask that question - why didn’t I know that?
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because you said that 550 metric tons of yellow cake could be hid in a garage,and moved about like a game of cat and mouse…

lololol.really,that much being transported about in a war zone and nobody ever seen it at the time…

do me favour…😉
 
It took 37 flights to move the shipping containers out of Iraq to a “third country,” Whitman said.
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A Pentagon official who asked not to be named said that third country was Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian Ocean where the United Kingdom and the United States operate a joint military base.
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cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

The yellow cake was not processed to a degree of it being very dangerous, however:
Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.
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“The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust,” said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.
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nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.UX7RKkpTW4o

All the same, it was sent to the British territory, hence, now we need some footwork to refute this of having occurred.
 
SamH said:
Just 550 metric tons of yellowcake that sitting around in Iraq…
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Yellowcake that had been documented and sealed by the IAEA many years before our invasion of Iraq. It remained sealed until one of our bombers blew the facility wide open and Iraqis started looting. Oddly enough, it was reported that they dumped out the yellowcake and took the barrels instead. 🤷
 
doormouse73 said:
because you said that 550 metric tons of yellow cake could be hid in a garage,and moved about like a game of cat and mouse…

lololol.really,that much being transported about in a war zone and nobody ever seen it at the time…

do me favour…😉
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I made no reference to yellow cake. Yellow cake is not a weapon. It has to be processed.
 
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