Systemic racism debunked

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Ok, let’s say there is no systematic racism…does this negate racism period, or is it cause to claim racism is isolated?
 
Defunding police forces is a rally cry that sounds tough but it’s not going to happen. By far most police are good and do good. Without them, there would be lawlessness in many places.

Having said that, there is racism which I would call pervasive if not systemic, but these are just words trying to describe the complex reality.
 
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The actual video was quite good – the Ben Shapiro parts not so much.
 
  1. School vouchers do not solve the problems of poor children going to poor schools. My city has open enrollment. Any child can go to any school BUT they must provide transportation to that school. Each school must first fill their enrollment numbers with children within that schools boundaries. Basically, the best schools fill up with children from that neighborhood. We also have charter schools. Same problem…transportation. If they can’t get there, they can’t go there. Charter schools pull money from city schools that desperately need the money. How about instead, all schools receive the same amount of money and if you want open enrollment, transportation is provided.
  2. Yes, redlining was outlawed. However forty years is too short of a time period to have equalized and overcome the results of years and years of doing this. Wealth building often takes generations to overcome and while it has begun, it isn’t overcome yet. Same with loaning policies. Further, the poor school districts can not turn out the higher quality needed for college overnight, either. Start properly funding the poor schools and preferential treatment of college admittance can be discontinued.
  3. Is the commenter really suggesting that blacks should quit giving their kids “black sounding” names? If Asians seem to have an easier time acquiring loans, should we all start naming our kids Ling? How about we get over name biases? Just a thought…and if we are still discriminating on class vs race, shouldn’t we recognize and stop it?
  4. Incarceration rates are another area where blacks are placed in jail in higher numbers than whites for the same crimes. They get longer sentences and are not steered towards rehab services in equal numbers. Recognizing our biases in sentencing has to be explored and eliminated. The cycles of criminality must be broken and blacks need to be given education that leads them away from the high numbers of street crimes they commit. This is just starting to be addressed. Yes, they commit more crime but we need to quit looking at a black man and assume he probably has a record. We also need more programs that get them jobs after release. We have such a double standard of wanting blacks to reform their bad street ways but don’t want to hire them in our company. We can do better.
This video just seems to want to assuage white guilt. I guess if it makes you feel better, go for it. I couldn’t finish it at this point.
 
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very much not “casual discussion”. Moved to social justice.
 
I couldn’t even get past the first point. How are vouchers the solution to kids in poor neighborhoods getting a better education? Private schools are extremely expensive. You’d have to have vouchers that would cover the high cost of private education for everyone who needed it. I sincerely doubt that any side of this discussion, left or right, would support vouchers that would actually be sufficient in adequately covering the cost of private education for the majority of students in poor districts.

The problem with charter schools, is the quality varies dramatically, and you run into the inequality problem. What I see is competition to go to the “best” charter schools, while those who don’t get in continue to go to the underperforming school. How is this a solution? It might be for one student, but for all the students who are in these underperforming districts?

I suppose one could make the case to make infinite charter schools with high quality. In which case, how is this different from bolstering the quality of the public school system in general?

I don’t know why it’s so hard to support adequate funding for all public schools, create common standards, and find ways to support underperforming students with extra help. This seems to work in other countries, I think.
 
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Or you could just abolish compulsory schooling and the education bureau. See prices drop astronomically.
 
If by systemic racism you mean “discriminatory laws on the books”, then correct, there is no systemic racism.

However, there is still prejudice and stereotyping. And it affects real people’s lives.
There are sub-culture differences in the ways different groups raise their kids and interact with other groups and that can have a detrimental affect if people don’t understand these differences.
Inter generational poverty can be really hard to overcome.
 
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Or you could just abolish compulsory schooling and the education bureau. See prices drop astronomically.
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And replace it with what? Massive ignorance (if you think it’s bad now, just wait until you have to be from at least a middle class family to learn how to spell or read your own name) and even fewer opportunities for the poor to break out of poverty?

It was largely public education funded by the community that allowed the American experiment to succeed to the extent that it has.
 
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And replace it with what? Massive ignorance (if you think it’s bad now, just wait until you have to be from at least a middle class family to learn how to spell or read your own name) and even fewer opportunities for the poor to break out of poverty?
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Common misconception of what would happen if prices fell in education.
 
Not talking about falling prices. Talking bout eliminating the programs that build the school buildings, pay for their upkeep, and purchase the basic supplies (like textbooks and desks) needed. So if you eliminate the infrastructure, how is that going to make it cheaper?
 
Some things can only be funded by the community as a whole (i.e. the government). What private company would create and man a police force? How much would they have to charge for sending out someone to investigate a burglary? How much would they charge (and who would they bill) to lock the burglar up for 20 years? Which company is going to provide the judges to run the trial and pay the jurors for their time? Will UPS or FedEx get a postcard from Point Barrow Alaska to Key West Florida for $0.35? The one thing that I can say with absolute assurance as far as economics is concerned is that that there are no absolutes, so to say that state monopoly always raises prices is nonsense.
 
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Some things can only be funded by the community as a whole (i.e. the government)…
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Yep. The rest of your post is not a winning argument for compulsory schooling. But that is a topic for another thread.
 
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not a winning argument for compulsory schooling
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The argument there is whether an educated electorate, and a workforce that can actually perform even basic jobs, is more or less important than ticketing speeders or providing highways to move goods from production facilities to markets or (pick your favorite government program).

ETA: I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I would be willing to bet that it costs less to provide a general education to a child for 12 to 14 years than to have to support them for their entire lives because they are too ignorant to qualify for any job. And I am even more positive that it is cheaper to educate them than to incarcerate them because they don’t know anything useful so fall back on robbery to eat.
 
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ETA: I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I would be willing to bet that it costs less to provide a general education to a child for 12 to 14 years than to have to support them for their entire lives because they are too ignorant to qualify for any job.
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In many cases, we are doing both. That’s the problem. What are our children getting out of the education? That is something to looked at.
 
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