Systemic racism debunked

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What are our children getting out of the education? That is something to looked at.
I absolutely agree with that. The education provided should be the best that we as a community can provide. But we cannot force a student to learn if they refuse. There will always be outliers in even the best systems, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do what we can, and we should also try to figure out how to reach the outliers as well.
 
Why hasn’t anybody here asked why poor schools for anybody are tolerable? What are his suggestions for fixing it? Send your child somewhere else. That doesn’t fix anything. That school is still there. Why would the problems not commute with the students, if they all go en masse to some other school? OK…so how to fix the problem, rather than give a few people a ticket to run away from it?

Why isn’t anyone asking why the people doing full-time manual or unskilled labor in this country suffer from food insecurity, forget about opportunities to build wealth? What is the excuse for that?Washington and Jefferson are black names? How about Obama? Abdallah? Did he really say that discrimination against the names he rattled off is somehow not racial? All of them sound non-WASP.

Why on earth should majoring in education–his example for the occupation you should reject in favor of engineering–set someone up for future debt and underemployment? How does he think somebody learns enough to be ready for college, which he seems to think is the ticket to success?

He seems to be arguing that not only people who don’t go to college but even people who go to college and major in “wrong” things like education deserve to be underpaid. (And he wonders why there are teachers unions?)

He calls looking for systemic racism “ghost-hunting,” but he does not have a single comment on the elephant in the room, which is that our economic system is set up to generate systemic poverty. No matter how hard you work, if you don’t have the “right” major and a name that doesn’t sound like it came from a foreign country, you deserve to be among those people whose kids are going to a failing school.

He says “we should all as decent people be reexamining our biases,” but he’s not giving evidence that he actually does it. He thinks the problem is “you had a bad thought about a group”? No, he thinks that if you name your kid Jamal instead of Greg, you should expect him to accept disadvantages that start before anyone ever lays eyes on him. Well, what about the Jamal vs Greg discrimination that is based on your looks and not on how your name sounds? He thinks one exists and not the other? Why would he assume that?

He says “obviously” we should be spending more money where resources are scarce–but are we? Where is the pressure to make that happen? And should we not recognize that a school full of people with few resources to meet challenges that the family has actually need more money that districts full of secure families, not simply the same amount? He’s talking about the problem that single parents have, but what are schools supposed to do about it?

He does not suggest how to better the lives of people stuck in poor schools or how to help students in families that do not have an academic history. He doesn’t even mention income inequality.

Since the video talks about Democrats every time there is a policy he believes doesn’t work, it comes off as a video about why the Republicans feel smug about coming up with a “fix” that amounts to “if people don’t like bad schools, they should all send their kids to one of the good ones!”
 
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I couldn’t even get past the first point. How are vouchers the solution to kids in poor neighborhoods getting a better education? Private schools are extremely expensive.
Absolutely any attempt to privatize public schooling is just tuition assistance for rich kids.

The poor kids are stuck with the cheapest, closest option by nature of their poverty.

Ben Shapiro is just another talking head…
 
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State monopoly always raises prices.
So does universal demand and unregulated capitalism
Both drive toward monopoly/oligopoly. The state through fiat and capitalism through consolidation.

Do you want your lords to be people you elect or oligarchs born in wealthy families? Take your pick.
 
The poor kids are stuck with the cheapest, closest option by nature of their poverty.
Thank you for pointing that out. His whole argument seems to accept the premise that some people can work all they like as faithfully as anyone can but still don’t have the opportunity for a basic level of financial security.
 
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Do you want your lords to be people you elect or oligarchs born in wealthy families? Take your pick.
Well, no, if the matter is determined entirely by birth you do not get to take your pick, lol.
 
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Do you want your lords to be people you elect or oligarchs born in wealthy families? Take your pick.
Well, no, if the matter is determined entirely by birth you do not get to take your pick, lol.
Touche!

Social mobility exists, but it’s much, much, much more rare than we think.
 
Touche!

Social mobility exists, but it’s much, much, much more rare than we think.
It doesn’t take much to demonstrate systemic racism. Ask if you can find a neighborhood in this country for any family you could name such that no matter how you dress them or what car you put them in, somebody in that neighborhood would look at the color of their skin and say, “well, somebody got lost, because they don’t belong here.” I think you could find such a neighborhood for everybody.

That says to me that we have systemic racism. If you think more rich neighborhoods fit that description for blacks and more poor neighborhoods fit that description for whites, you have to ask yourself why that is. I don’t think the guy who put this “debunking” video has an answer to that. Having said that, there are also whites that only have to speak a sentence or two, and if they’re in the “wrong” place, they’re getting the same “you don’t belong here” message that the black family got (and I do not mean from people of color only; I mean from other whites.) That’s not fair, either.

In other words, we can’t eliminate bias against just one group. That is just another way of saying that we could look at the color of someone’s skin and know what unjust obstacles they do and don’t face.

We also have to admit that maybe we would get rid of a lot of biases based on race if we let go of our false meritocracy narrative that seems to give so many people permission to look down on others based on wealth.
Touche!

Social mobility exists, but it’s much, much, much more rare than we think.
The idea that we have a classless society or a society in which merit is all that anybody cares about is utter nonsense.
 
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Turning to Ben Shapiro for an analysis of racism is like turning to Monty Burns for advice on the dangers of nuclear power.
 
Ben Shapiro is not the only person to hold the opinion systemic racism does not exist.

In relation to policing, this young women published an opinion piece reviewing a study in 2019 analyzing law enforcement data. She lost her job at her college newspaper for writing about these facts and using them to disagree with the idea that racism is systemic in policing.

 
Most of the argument for “defunding” the police (restructuring municipal response to put less on the police and more on other services) has to do with calling the police to do social work, marriage counseling, and all sorts of other stuff better not handled by people with the authority to shoot people and a frequent belief that every encounter could be their last.
 
  • School vouchers do not solve the problems of poor children going to poor schools. My city has open enrollment. Any child can go to any school BUT they must provide transportation to that school. Each school must first fill their enrollment numbers with children within that schools boundaries. Basically, the best schools fill up with children from that neighborhood. We also have charter schools. Same problem…transportation. If they can’t get there, they can’t go there. Charter schools pull money from city schools that desperately need the money. How about instead, all schools receive the same amount of money and if you want open enrollment, transportation is provided.
Not really sure what that has to do with the point Mr. Shapiro is making. There very may well be a transportation problem in certain cities like yours, but how do you go from that to systemic racism? You’re making a leap of logic here. Not everything has to be chalked up to racism. The world isn’t perfect, yes there are unfair policies, but there’s no proof this is due to any sort of “systemic racism”. That is the point Mr. Shapiro is making here and he offered up a single suggestion to help those kinds of situations. Also if you actually listened to the video you will notice how Mr. Shapiro says he supports giving more money to schools like Jamal’s.
  • Yes, redlining was outlawed. However forty years is too short of a time period to have equalized and overcome the results of years and years of doing this. Wealth building often takes generations to overcome and while it has begun, it isn’t overcome yet. Same with loaning policies. Further, the poor school districts can not turn out the higher quality needed for college overnight, either. Start properly funding the poor schools and preferential treatment of college admittance can be discontinued.
Once again, Mr. Shapiro acknowledged that it’s a real possibility that past systemic racism does still have lingering affects today because history does have consequences which he says is true, but he also cites numerous other variables which play a factor in a person’s socio-economic status and that this cannot be chalked up to the left’s fictitious idea that somehow systemic racism still broadly exists which it does not.
 
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  • Is the commenter really suggesting that blacks should quit giving their kids “black sounding” names? If Asians seem to have an easier time acquiring loans, should we all start naming our kids Ling? How about we get over name biases? Just a thought…and if we are still discriminating on class vs race, shouldn’t we recognize and stop it?
Nowhere does he suggest that, I don’t know where you’re getting that from in the video. Mr. Shapiro cites examples of other groups who are rejected due to their names, such as people with very Jewish sounding names. Mr. Shapiro himself is an Orthodox Jew and I highly doubt he would be discouraging Jews from giving their children Jewish names. Mr. Shapiro does indeed recognize we should stop classism but says that not ever inequality/inequity is necessarily racism. You’re missing the point.
  1. Incarceration rates are another area where blacks are placed in jail in higher numbers than whites for the same crimes. They get longer sentences and are not steered towards rehab services in equal numbers. Recognizing our biases in sentencing has to be explored and eliminated. The cycles of criminality must be broken and blacks need to be given education that leads them away from the high numbers of street crimes they commit. This is just starting to be addressed. Yes, they commit more crime but we need to quit looking at a black man and assume he probably has a record. We also need more programs that get them jobs after release. We have such a double standard of wanting blacks to reform their bad street ways but don’t want to hire them in our company. We can do better.
This article calls those kinds of statistics into serious question: FactCheck: do black criminals get harsher sentences for the same crimes? – Channel 4 News
 
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This video from Shapiro on systemic racism is like having the CEO of Walmart make a video on why Target sucks.
Walmart? I think you mean a video on why things manufactured in the US suck compared to stuff made overseas, don’t you?
 
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