Systemic racism debunked

[StudentMI]

Did I not give you a perfect example based on Medicare, Social Security retirement payments, and health care disparities?

No, you didn’t. You gave me data in a heavily interpreted fashion and cited an article about health care. Apologies for not being persuaded.

 

[MamaJewel]

Meritocracy…

On top of that, these racially based prejudices have been incorporated in the standards of care and medical necessity that must be documented to the patient’s charts in order for Medicare or Medicaid to pay the patient’s doctor and hospital bills.

Those biases towards black patients which are then mandated into treatment and reimbursement standards are a most basic form of systemic racism.

It’s not like our black communities are rolling in the dough so that black patients can elect treatment outside of their Medicare and Medicaid providers by choosing a doctor who doesn’t conform to those prejudices.

They are locked out of the self-pay meritocracy that other groups can financially participate as consumers in.

For blacks collectively, they do not have access ($$$$) to physicians who could diagnose, treat, and document the biological realities of the black body. If black patients could collectively go outside of the current structure as self-pay patients, their doctors could avoid the built in prejudiced diagnoses and treatments. Over a period of time, the non-biased data could be abstracted from the black patients’ charts. This would create new evidence-based practices, express a need for non-biased standards, and dispel built in biases in the care of black patients.

……Which in turn would lead to the removal of the current biased standards.

Even more sickening, these old biases toward black bodies are taught as gospel truth in our medical schools as well. So, minority doctors, using government subsidized grants and student loans in government supported educational institutions and hospitals, are taught these racist biases compliments of the American taxpayer’s dollars.

Dang^^^ just the amount of words I had to use to express the complexity of the issue frustrates me. And up front, insurance companies often adopt approaches to care similar to government standards, so these perceived prejudiced notions of the black human body are built into private insurance coverage as well.

I hope this shifts your perspective of meritocracy and its role in systemic racism.

Please, tell me meritocracy in health care doesn’t play a role in the continued built in racism in the medical care of black patients? (I could speak about Hispanics and Native Americans too and the disparities they face accessing care)

StudentMI: Hit me back for a solution to the wicked problem of built in racism against blacks in medical care and the systemic racism of the health care system that uses prejudiced standards for black patients to prove the medical necessity for treatment that the American taxpayer expects and government requires for providers treating black Medicare and Medicaid patients to get reimbursed for their services.

 

[MamaJewel]

No, you didn’t. You gave me data in a heavily interpreted fashion and cited an article about health care. Apologies for not being persuaded.

Oh, please, quit the shenanigans.
That “heavily interpreted data” is from one of the most credible sources available.
And as far as the article goes, research and see if there is any validity to what the author wrote.
I’m sick of the prejudice, sexism, racism, etc. and having to jump through hoops to prove that it does exist when it sits blatantly in front of us in many forms.

Are you in the United States, a citizen, and with access to a library data base?

If yes…

Then you do the research because it is your civic responsibility to do so.

There are a plethora of credible sources you can utilize.

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

CMS.gov
IHS.gov

Disparities in Health and Health Care: 5 Key Questions and Answers | KFF

those are good places to start

 

[StudentMI]

Oh, please, quit the shenanigans.

You know when you start off a post like that, you quickly lose the person you’re talking to.

 

[MamaJewel]

You know when you start off a post like that, you quickly lose the person you’re talking to.

It was a nice way of being polite. Btw, your slip is showing.

So please, show me the data where there are no health care disparities in the US. And that meritocracy does not contribute to systemic racism.
In medicine, disparities still exist, although health care professionals and pertinent government agencies are working diligently to change that fact. Hopefully in the near future it will be different.

In the meantime, I will speak up. I have seen and personally experienced too much to have anybody minimize my lived experiences and the lived experiences of those I know.

Here, chew on this opinion if you care too. I think it lays out the dilemma physicians face when it comes to race. It also provides some decent links regarding the patient/doctor race approach.

What Role Should Race Play in Medicine? | Scientific American

Until then, please give link credible evidence showing contrary to what I posted.
I must have missed the message that we’re all equal in the US.

Yep, we’re all equal. But some of us are privileged to be more equal than others.

 

[StudentMI]

So please, show me the data where there are no health care disparities in the US. And that meritocracy does not contribute to systemic racism.

Sure I’ll get right on proving that negative.

Your final comment about privilege is telling. Farewell.

 

[MamaJewel]

Ha. Why can’t you find articles showing that meritocracy promotes equality across races, genders, classes, etc?

It can’t be that hard.

Show me articles that support complete equality, liberty, and justice for all protected classes and all citizens in the United States.

I showed disparities and laid out a case.

You should be able to show that racism is non existent with data.
Equality is measurable.
Show me the data proving it.

You can’t and you know it.
So you try to place the blame on me and say you won’t engage.
Hit me back with a solution to the problem.

I can tell you that my kids’ Hispanic Godmother, sacrificed a career with excellent pay to get her children out of gang-ridden Chicago by moving to a lower paying rural area in the South. She also took care of addicted grandbabies who were drug-addict mothers.

This wonderful pro-life lady didn’t have $$$ for medical care when she developed a chronic illness in her 50s. Trust me, that illness led to a severe, debilitating stroke in her early 60s.

Now, I’m not going to rail on about the horrors that happened to her family in Chicago or the prejudices she faced in our community. But her experience is race-based and real.

But you say everything is equal. Meritocracy doesn’t lead to racism.

All I’m asking is that you show me where and how meritocracy promotes equality between races and alleviates disparities. I’m not asking you to evidence a negative, but rather a positive.

So please show me.

 

[MamaJewel]

Soon as I saw Ben Shapiro made the video I stopped watching.

I hear you. I got half-way through.
Ugh… children deserve better

the audacity that impoverished children should be given vouchers to get out of failing schools…

the parents of the poor children in my nearby failing schools struggle to put food on the table, pay rent, pay utilities, and purchase hygiene products and clothes for their families.

They walk to their jobs at the industrial center 3 to 5 miles away…
$$$ for bus fares is hard to come by, much less $$$ to buy and maintain a vehicle so they can get their kid to a better school

It would be less burdensome on the community if the failing school was properly funded in the first place…

Ben missed the point of the issues at hand, imo

 

[Peaceable]

I do not think teachers are overpaid, given how much of their personal time and money go towards supporting children’s education. Money is part of the solution to educational equality— I saw Classrooms in the 1990s using extremely dated books from the 1970s of poor quality. However, money is not the only part of the solution.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You would think that all this funding would mean we have stellar schools.

We do not.

Oh, do we not!

Your anecdote cannot possibly refute the common sense and statistical truth that higher funding in schools is necessary for excellence in education. It may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.

 

[blackforest]

This video is a good response to some of the arguments that leftists try to push about systemic racism:

Getting back to your video . . . school vouchers aren’t the answer because they’re limited. School funding equity is what guarantees adequate funding for all schools. With school funding equity, property taxes no longer have to serve as a default “tuition” for public schools.