Systemic racism debunked

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Why would I want to hear an ad from a Democrat about why a Republican sucks? I bet they are bias. Why would I want to hear what the Walmart CEO has to say about Target? I be they are bias. Why would I want to hear what Shapiro has to say about systemic racism? I bet he is bias.
 
Well he is a political commentator articulating his position on the issue here. The whole point is to convince you. One of the reasons I posted this was to spark discussion, and so far the points I have seen made against Mr. Shapiro are unconvincing which I think shows that his arguments are superior to that of the left’s. You can disagree. That’s fine. Everyone is bias. ABC, CNN, MSNBC are all biased towards the left. Fox is biased towards the right. Everyone is biased.
 
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Ben Shapiro isn’t some conservative savior. I’ve seen him in person. I went to his live podcast during the 2019 March For Life, I was 30 feet from him if that. He started strong about how abortion is bad. Then he had his usual “Democrats ruin the country” monologue then he finished by saying rapists need to be castrated and child molesters need to be put to death… the crowd listening yelled in approval.

I was absolutely disgusted the same people marching against abortion (which I was as well marching against) also were screaming in approval for the death penalty of child molesters and castration of rapists.

He lost all credibility and I was disgusted. I cannot and will not waste my time listening to someone who defends life in one instance while trampling on it in another. Go ahead and cast the first stone why don’t we…
 
Nowhere does he suggest that, I don’t know where you’re getting that from in the video. Mr. Shapiro cites examples of other groups who are rejected due to their names, such as people with very Jewish sounding names. Mr. Shapiro himself is an Orthodox Jew and I highly doubt he would be discouraging Jews from giving their children Jewish names. Mr. Shapiro does indeed recognize we should stop classism but says that not ever inequality/inequity is necessarily racism. You’re missing the point.
I don’t see the claim that a guy with Billy Bob McCoy on his birth certificate also isn’t going to get a fair shake if his identical resume is set next to William Robert Roosevelt IV is much of a rebuttal. There is a reason they used to call the upper class “blue bloods.” It is still “our kind of people are nicer and better and more trustworthy than your kind of people. It isn’t that we blame you, but you understand.” It is just that much worse when the discrimination can be made just by skin color. All the same, if Jamal or Billy Bob were named Robert or John, the “truth” would come out in the interview, wouldn’t it?

[I think the President does it by DNA. The more of his DNA you have, the better, lol. He is the Uberman, the Chosen One. Not that he blames you for the fault of not being him, mind you…]
 
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Well he is a political commentator
That’s my point. His job is to spread his opinion (and thus bias) to his viewers in order to gain monetary traction. No political commentator on either side is worth the listen. What is Shapiro’s motivation here? Its to make money (because this is his job). As such, he does not care about being 100% truthful or accurate (same with any pundit) and rather says what they need to say to get viewer retention and money.

If you want a real answer to this, hear it from someone who isn’t doing it for their day job. Such as a Cardinal or Bishop or a Professor doing a public lecture.

Do we watch John Oliver for the laughs or for the factual and informative information? Its for the laughs. Same story.
 
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What is Shapiro’s motivation here? Its to make money (because this is his job)
Do we watch John Oliver for the laughs or for the factual and informative information? Its for the laughs. Same story.
I think that people doing political commentary probably do believe what they’re saying, no matter how ridiculously biased they are. They have the “job I would do if they didn’t pay me.” Having said that, yes, I’d say that political commentators mostly make us aware of a way of looking at things. They should not be taken at face value without some serious questioning. (Now, less than ever.)
 
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Ben Shapiro says sarcastically: “If more black people are arrested by percentage wise than white people, that must be due to systemic racism and not due to the number of crimes being committed by individuals who made the decision to commit a crime.” - 12:50

How about the fact that minorities are arrested and convicted wrongfully at a higher rate than white people? If you disagree, go read the book and watch the movie Just Mercy.

How about the fact that minorities oftentimes lack the funding to have a proper and effective lawyer and result to an overworked public defender? They get less plea bargains, longer sentences, and less of a chance to be found guilty (not to mention a higher likelihood of prosecutor misconduct). My uncle is an award-winning criminal defense lawyer who was previously a public defender and can attest to this as well.
 
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Also if you actually listened to the video you will notice how Mr. Shapiro says he supports giving more money to schools like Jamal’s.
Which will go no where with the Republican Party calling the shots. They’re plans are to defund more and more public education and “solve” the problem with charter schools. I agree not everything is systemic racism…a lot of is class problems as well. The fact that most poor blacks live amongst some poor whites, neither group are getting improved schools that they actually go to. How about not only improving the teachers, providing better tools and including classes on economics to teach these poor how wealthbuilding works.
Nowhere does he suggest that, I don’t know where you’re getting that from in the video.
I’m getting this from his discussion of name discrimination. The last names he gave are ridiculous…of course there isn’t any discover discrimination in those last names as many whites have them, too. He pointed out that Asians haven’t had problems securing loans…so, I put two and two together…if Jamal is discriminated against but an Asian name …like Ling…gets favorable treatment, why not suggest that blacks name their children with Asian names. It’s not hard to read between his wide open lines.

We don’t have screaming in your face racism anymore…what we now have is very quiet and subtle. Begin at the education through the job market and including a court system that regularly punishes blacks more severely than whites and things will improve even more. If you wish to pretend that some systemic racism no longer exists, that’s fine. I, however still see it, I don’t like it and I want to end every little piece we find.
 
en Shapiro isn’t some conservative savior. I’ve seen him in person…He lost all credibility and I was disgusted.
No decent person should ever give hate mongers like him any hearing at all. As Glorfindel said to Frodo in Woody End of the Ringwraiths, “Flee them - speak no words to them”.
 
I don’t know why it’s so hard to support adequate funding for all public schools, create common standards, and find ways to support underperforming students with extra help. This seems to work in other countries, I think.
What is “adequate funding for all public schools?”

Our little city in Northern Illinois has the dubious honor of having the 4th highest property taxes in the United States.

Around 65% of that “tax pie” (and yes, there is an actual “pie diagram” that looks like a pie, and shows the percentages of our property taxes that go to various areas) goes to funding public schools.

The next highest percentage goes to the Park District (which has the priority of maintaining and staffing neighborhood playgrounds, especially in the poorer neighborhoods in our city), and we do have great parks, and in the summer, they are staffed with trained recreational counselors who plan daily activities for the neighborhood kids.

The rest goes to all the usual stuff that property taxes pay for–not a lot is left after the schools and park district get their share.

You would think that all this funding would mean we have stellar schools.

We do not.

Oh, do we not!

Just for starters, 50% of our black male students drop out of high school.

And across the boards, our national achievement tests show that only 15% of our students, ALL of our public school students, achieve minimal grade level results.

15%.

How much more of the property tax pie needs to be fed to our public schools to fix this? ALL of it?

No money for parks, streets and roads (which are terrible–all kinds of stories of damage to cars; I lost a windshield wiper after my car hit a huge pothole-lucky I didn’t lose a tire), police and fire, etc.

The bulk of that public school funding goes to teacher salaries. The average salary for a public school teacher in our city is $57,503, and the range is $50,158-$66,382.

The teachers are not struggling financially.

And every year, a local television station does a “Fill The Bus” campaign in August to literally fill buses with school supplies for schools, so the teachers are not spending a large percentage of their salaries on supplies for their classrooms. If they need something, the public is quick to step up and pay for it.

Of course, it could be racism. In our city, after a certain number of years, a teacher is allowed to request a transfer to a school of their choice. Shh, don’t tell Black Lives Matter, but the majority of the teachers request transfers from schools that have a high black student body to a school with a high white student body. So much for the NEA anti-racism stands.

So I don’t buy it–better funding for public schools is NOT going to help kids in poor neighborhoods get a better education.

Better FAMILY LIFE is what will help kids in poor neighborhoods, and for that matter, ALL KIDS from ALL neighborhoods, to get a better education. And you don’t have to be financially well-off to have a good, strong, healthy, loving family life where TWO parents are engaged with their children and committed to helping them grow up well.
 
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To begin with it negates the argument for defunding police forces.
Um, no it doesn’t. ‘No systemic racism’ does not prove ‘no racism’. ‘No racism’ does not prove ‘no abusive or corrupt police’.
And I don’t believe anyone can prove there is no systemic racism.
 
Question: Do you believe there is a problem with baseless partiality in this country?
I mean of the sort described in James 2:1-9…
 
That’s the problem, right there. At the root of it all, that’s it.
If we had nothing obvious on which to base such partiality, I think we’d make something up. That’s the default. Charity, in contrast, the real love that comes from God and imitates God, that is the work of grace.
 
That’s the problem, right there. At the root of it all, that’s it.
If we had nothing obvious on which to base such partiality, I think we’d make something up. That’s the default. Charity, in contrast, the real love that comes from God and imitates God, that is the work of grace.
I agree.

My opinion on this country is mostly negative. I see very little in modern society here or elsewhere worth saving. I am a pessimist.
 
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Pessimism about human nature is an essential part of Catholicism and also of conservatism. In Catholic thinking, man’s nature is fallen and will always do ill without God’s grace. In conservative thinking man’s nature is idle and greedy and will always do ill unless incentivised.

Socialism depends on the opposite idea that human nature is basically good and requires only to be freed from bourgeois society for the New Jerusalem to dawn and a manmade paradise on earth to come about. This view is at root heretical and in fact blasphemous, which is why, whatever modern bishops may say, socialism is contrary to Catholicism
 
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Absolutely any attempt to privatize public schooling is just tuition assistance for rich kids.

The poor kids are stuck with the cheapest, closest option by nature of their poverty.
A a mom of minority children in an area with 2 failing elementary schools, I say “Amen”. This is so true!

And race plays a role in it because the disparities are divided along racial lines, just like the Gerry-mandered representative district that separates voters living within these 2 failing elementary school boundaries on the basis of the voters’ races.

And that is systemic racism, creating a Congressional or State district on the basis of race. The dems did it for years when they were in power and the repubs are now doing it to make further republican gains and retain their power.

If I had $$$, I’d sue my state for those Gerry-mandered districts.
We also have to admit that maybe we would get rid of a lot of biases based on race if we let go of our false meritocracy narrative that seems to give so many people permission to look down on others based on wealth.
This^^

Meritocracy is part of the systemic racism in this nation and health care, education, law enforcement, and the justice systems are drivers in this racial bias.

I’ll speak about how health care disparities disgust me because that is my area of expertise.

Let me say this, we see life-long, hard-working black elders who can’t afford the Cadillac coverage of Medicare plans. Why? Because of their career (or lack of) opportunities based on racial inequalities, they were routed into lower paying job roles.

Lower wages = less purchasing power in the market and less opportunity for retirement savings

On top of that, these lower paying “essential” positions common to black individuals actually result in reduced Social Security returns in retirement payments (that is, if a black elder makes it to retirement without personal health conditions or the disparities in medical care leading to a pre-mature demise)

less $$$ in retirement = less purchasing power for health care products (ie. non-covered specialty meds, vital OTC products, DME’s) and reduced access to vital health care services

and that’s just on the face of measurable (health industry) differences

Then there is the systemic racism that has been built into our health care practices that treats black patients differently based on their race.


My black brothers and sisters (individually and collectively) barely stand chance for equality with all of the implicit biases against them in today’s society.
 
Meritocracy is part of the systemic racism in this nation and health care, education, law enforcement, and the justice systems are drivers in this racial bias.
So now meritocracy is part of systemic racism? I’m starting to think anything someone doesn’t like is being lumped in as part of systemic racism.
 
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So now meritocracy is part of systemic racism? I’m starting to think anything someone doesn’t like is being lumped in as part of systemic racism.
Did I not give you a perfect example based on Medicare, Social Security retirement payments, and health care disparities?

Our health care system is based on meritocracy. Pay to play.

Heck, I read an article recently that covered a study which showed that even in specialty programs (Medicare/ Medicaid) designed to give beneficiaries access to specialists, minorities in those programs received less services than their white counterparts for the same diagnoses of studied conditions.
And that is with a funded program.

Whether it is the program itself creating a barrier to care or the cultural differences in perspectives of medical care by minority populations leading less use of services, it still falls on the system to make sure those individuals are aware of available services and are able to access the specialty care.

You need to educate yourself on meritocracy and how it drives systemic racism by taking impoverished populations and blaming those populations for the problems they face.

I’m sorry. But the FICA and Medicare tax should be applied without income limits. Everybody’s $$$ should go into a trustfund till and compound interest.

Upon retirement, every retiree gets an equal check monthly, regardless of the pay-in.

That way, minorities and women, who work as hard as everyone else but are paid less, get an even cut for their 40 hours of hard-work.

Some of the most essential workers don’t even make a sustainable living wage. Things have got to change. The link shows wage disparities based on race, gender, etc.

Usual Weekly Earnings of Wage and Salary Workers First Quarter 2020
Please, if you’re making less $$$, it’s not like you’ll have money for health care, education, or access to the courts.

And it’s common knowledge that wages play a role in the $$$ an employee gets paid in the next job as they advance through a career or job roles. If you have less opportunity for advancement or make less $$$ in a position, it can and will lead to reduced earnings in a next position.

So meritocracy can and easily does lead to cumulative long and short term racial, gender, or age discrimination based worthiness/ value based biases.

Besides, did you read the article of health care’s approach to black patients? You do understand that those racially based biases are used to establish diagnostic and treatment standards on which patient care must meet medical necessity for Medicare beneficiaries to have their medical claims paid by Medicare???

So, a black patient is faces bias in their medical treatment because of long-term prejudices. (the spirometry in the article I linked is just one example)
 
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