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Only because the doctrine of election as Calvin and you have it IS unfair.Code:Sometimes people regard the doctrine of election as unfair, since it teaches that God chooses some to be saved and passes over others, deciding not to save them. How can this be fair?
The doctrine of election the way we see it is not unfair. What the doctrine of election means is from the beginning, He has set out to save the world by predeterminedly ensuring the salvation of the few. Because these few (the saints) will be the ones who will help him haul the rest of the fishes aboard.
You see this by the manner with which He chose to bring about the work of savlation ie…the selection of the 12. God could have just written the Bible Himself but no, He caused it to be written within His Church. He chose to build a Church instead of writing a book. And through the cooperation of these elect, these fishermen went out fishing for souls.
Here is a secular analogy for you. When there is a plague or a pandemic outbreak, the first people that the government vaccinates are the health care workers because they will be in the frontline of the fight again the plauge. You can say that in the secular world they are the “elect”. And they are not “elected” for the simple reason of just preserving their lives. Their lives are preserved precisely because they will be instrumental in safeguarding the lives of others, of the salvation of other from the plague.
Two responses may be given at this point. First, we must remember that it would be perfectly fair for God not to save anyone just as he did with the angels: “God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of nether gloom to be kept until the judgment” (2 Peter 2:4). What would be perfectly fair for God would be to do with human beings as he did with angels, that is, to save none of those who sinned and rebelled against him. But if he does save some at all then this is a demonstration of grace that goes far beyond the requirements of fairness and justice. But at a deeper level this objection would say that it is not fair for God to create some people who he knew would sin and be eternally condemned, and whom he would not redeem. Paul raises this objection in Romans 9. After saying that God “has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills” (Rom. 9:18),16 Paul then raises this precise objection: “You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”’ (Rom. 9:19). Here is the heart of the “unfairness” objection against the doctrine of election. If each person’s ultimate destiny is determined by God, not by the person himself or herself (that is, even when people make willing choices that determine whether they will be saved or not, if God be fair?
Paul’s response is not one that appeals to our pride, nor does he attempt to give a philosophical explanation of why this is just. He simply calls on God’s rights as the omnipotent Creator:
" (Rom. 9:20–24)"But who are you, a man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me thus?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for the vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
Paul simply says that there is a point beyond which we cannot answer back to God or question his justice. He has done what he has done according to his sovereign will. He is the Creator; we are the creatures, and we ultimately have no basis from which to accuse him of unfairness or injustice. When we read these words of Paul we are confronted with a decision whether or not to accept what God says here, and what he does, simply because he is God and we are not. It is a question that reaches deep into our understanding of ourselves as creatures and of our relationship to God as our Creator. This objection of unfairness takes a slightly different form when people say that it is unfair of God to save some people and not to save all. This objection is based on an idea of justice among human beings that we sense intuitively. We recognize in human affairs that it is right to treat equal people in an equal way. Therefore it seems intuitively appropriate to us to say that if God is going to save some sinners he ought to save all sinners. But in answer to this objection it must be said that we really have no right to impose on God our intuitive sense of what is appropriate among human beings. Whenever Scripture begins to treat this area it goes back to God’s sovereignty as Creator and says he has a right to do with his creation as he wills (see Rom. 9:19–20, quoted above). If God ultimately decided to create some creatures to be saved and others not to be saved, then that was his sovereign choice, and we have no moral or scriptural basis on which we can insist that it was not fair. I had a sense of deja vu upon reading this. I could be wrong but I think you have raised this before and I have already refuted it many posts ago but you have not given a proper rebuttal of my post.