Taking down a poster a sin?

[kage_ar]

He destroyed less than a dollar’s worth of material, and thought he had a good reason for doing so, meaning that, at best, it is a venial sin. And if fewer people get sucked into the lie that the Magisterium of the Catholic Church is made up of baby-eating witches, then he has done well.

Depending on the size of the poster, the market value is above one dollar -

Retail for a Golden Compass movie poster ranges from:

7 X 7 = $7.99

27 X 41 = $24.99

 

[Mirdath]

My take on it is that it was more sinful to put the poster up, than it was to remove it, since the purpose of the poster is to promote hatred against Catholics, and particularly the Magisterium, but the purpose of removing the poster was to protest against that message.

Doesn’t matter what someone else did. Tim’s son used illegal means to achieve a debatably-good end, and did so without any pressing necessity. According to Aquinas doing that is sinful. Pretty open-and-shut.

 

[He_Man]

Again, would everyone’s reaction be different if it was pornographic materials displayed, or posters showing charicatures of Catholic religious officals in compomising positions, or pictures of your own family in these positions?

What if someone was displaying these during Mass?!?

Where does the arbitrary line get drawn. In all cases, the pornographic images don’t belong to anyone on here; it would be theft at a minimum in all cases.

 

[Sir_Knight]

No, but if you kill someone with it, you do.

But the poster didn’t kill anybody. Why should that person’s property be destroyed?

 

[jmcrae]

But the poster didn’t kill anybody. Why should that person’s property be destroyed?

Because the poster promotes hatred against an identifiable group of people. (Us.)

Tell me this: if someone posts an announcement promoting an event of the KKK, and a Jewish person or a Black person removes it, have they committed a sin, or an act of self-defense?

I don’t think the OP has anything to be worried about.

 

[Newbie2]

No, I’m very serious. What is wrong with burning an abortion clinic? (FYI: I don’t mean with people in it)

Destroying something that is evil isn’t wrong. Burning down the clinic would be wrong if one’s intentions were wrong, or if there were people inside. Every rule has an exception.

No, every rule most certainly does not have an exception.

So…using your logic, it’d be wrong to burn down an abortion clinic for insurance money but OK for what reason?


Back to the OP…

Destroying something that wasn’t your property was wrong; there were other ways to get the poster removed that were not explored.

Yes, more difficult, but not attempted.

 

[TOP]

I just got off the phone with the Sheriff and explained it to him. He said “it would not be considered vandalism, a minor theft perhaps” and hung up. He4 did not sound to impressed nor asked my name. So we can rule out vandalism. Now to address a possible theft that would not be persued by the local law enforcement. How illegal is that?

 

[Newbie2]

I just got off the phone with the Sheriff and explained it to him. He said “it would not be considered vandalism, a minor theft perhaps” and hung up. He4 did not sound to impressed nor asked my name. So we can rule out vandalism. Now to address a possible theft that would not be persued by the local law enforcement. How illegal is that?

What exactly did you expect? Are you looking for a moral pass on this issue?

 

[TOP]

What exactly did you expect? Are you looking for a moral pass on this issue?

Just narrowing it down a bit. I don’t believe it was immoral to remove in the first place. That is why I made a big deal out of malicous intent when I talked to my son about it. Tim

 

[kage_ar]

The school handbook should address destruction of school property and how the school views it.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I just got off the phone with the Sheriff and explained it to him. He said “it would not be considered vandalism, a minor theft perhaps” and hung up. He4 did not sound to impressed nor asked my name. So we can rule out vandalism. Now to address a possible theft that would not be persued by the local law enforcement.

In all likelihood, there was nobody on the other end filing a complaint or the sheriff is just plain lazy and not doing his job but still getting paid for it – a theft of time from the tax-payers that elected him.

How illegal is that?

It’s still illegal. As said previously, it wouldn’t be considered a mortal sin but a sin nevertheless.

 

[jmcrae]

Depending on the size of the poster, the market value is above one dollar -

Retail for a Golden Compass movie poster ranges from:

7 X 7 = $7.99

27 X 41 = $24.99

Whatever. He can easily donate it to the Alumni fund, if he wants to replace the value of it.

 

[TOP]

For the record, I told my son to tell his Principal and bring it up in confession, but his conscience is not accepting it is a sin. He believes he has done right. I plan on bringing it up in the confessional as I’m advised by my Priest there and will accept that as final in Persona Christi. Tim

 

[TOP]

In all likelihood, there was nobody on the other end filing a complaint or the sheriff is just plain lazy and not doing his job but still getting paid for it – a theft of time from the tax-payers that elected him.

It’s still illegal. As said previously, it wouldn’t be considered a mortal sin but a sin nevertheless.

Since we are kneeling before the law of the land, we should consider slander of character of an elected offical a venial sin as well. tim

 

[Sir_Knight]

I don’t think the OP has anything to be worried about.

The OP committed a sin. Not a mortal sin but a sin nevertheless.

 

[TOP]

As a matter of fact, my Priest during a homily representing the Church called slander/ gossip “murder committed by the tongue”. Tim

 

[Sir_Knight]

Since we are kneeling before the law of the land, we should consider slander of character of an elected offical a venial sin as well. tim

Read my comment again … if there was a complaint and he failed to act upon that complaint when information was presented to him, then the man is accepting money and not doing his job – that’s the truth … not slander – and thus, no sin.

 

[jmcrae]

We’ve gone from people losing the right to their property if the item is used illegal but people should be allowed to retain their cars if they break the speed limit because they didn’t kill anybody but even though the poster didn’t kill anybody or even encourage anyone to kill anybody it should be taken down because it encourages hatred.

Yes. Why should material encouraging hatred against Catholics be placed in a school? He was right to remove it.

 

[Sir_Knight]

As a matter of fact, my Priest during a homily representing the Church called slander/ gossip “murder committed by the tongue”. Tim

Again, speaking the truth is not slander.

 

[jmcrae]

Read my comment again … if there was a complaint and he failed to act upon that complaint when information was presented to him, then the man is accepting money and not doing his job – that’s the truth … not slander – and thus, no sin.

Either that, or removing an offensive poster from a school is actually not included in the crime of “vandalism.”