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Sir_Knight
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No, the Catholic Church does not have ALL the truth but whatever the church OFFICIALLY teaches, IS the truth.
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ChangingHeart
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I don’t really care what your “so many people” think. I care what the truth is in God’s Eyes.
You constantly say, “live and let live,” but those who are without Christ are DEAD in their sins, even if their body technically has “life” in it.
You may say, “but I don’t agree with that.” Well, that doesn’t matter, because you would be wrong. The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth, that is capable of attaining in this lifetime. While other religions may also contain elements of truth, those elements would be limited to such elements that concur with the Roman Catholic Church.
You talk about tolerance. Why should we tolerate the deceptions of Satan? Why should we respect opinions that contradict the FACTS? Yes, we are called to love all people, but not to accept their lies as being equally valid with our Truth. In fact, we should not even view their lies as being valid of a lesser significance, because a lie is INVALID.
Whether you realize it or not, your worldview comes from the American liberal media of secular humanism. The belief that all opinions are valid and need to be respected(other than those who stand firm for the absolute truth of their beliefs alone). That sounds nice, and charitable, but “Sometimes a way may seem right to a man, but the end of it leads to death.” (Proverbs 14:12.)
The First Commandment shows that God doesn’t view idol worship as, “tolerance,” “respect for diversity,” “live and let live,” or, “part of the whole of equally valid truth.” He views it as an abominable sin.
You are in this community, because you are searching for the truth. You realize, deep down inside, that Wicca is unfulfilling and does not square with what God truly has designed for your life. It is time you make a decision for God.
You are in a Catholic community, and trying to impose your beliefs upon us(by denying ours), so don’t try to accuse me of doing that to you. God is with us, so you can not stand against us. You can, however, repent, join an RCIA class, accept Jesus into your heart, receive the Sacraments, be forgiven, and be on the side that shall see eternal life. The choice is yours.
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He_Man
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Hey man, I never cited the Catechism for my actions. All I am saying is, realisitcally, that is what I’d probably do.
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Sir_Knight
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Doesn’t a person actually have to be named or identified in some way in order to be liabled?
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CuriousInIL
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Where? Not in most of the US at least (other than child pornagraphy)
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CuriousInIL
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Yes. I was just making the distinction betweeen libel (written) and slander (spoken).
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CuriousInIL
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Just like I’d speed if my wife were in the back seat giving birth. Would it be a sin? Probably. Would I care? I doubt it.Why would that be a sin? As I understand it, exigent circumstances relieve one of the need to follow the speed limit so it likely is not a violation of the traffic code or sinful.
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CuriousInIL
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Personally, with regard to the question of what if a porn poster was displayed in a school, I would recommend taking it down and, rather than destroying it, taking it to a proper authority for them to deal with. If the authority decides it should stay down then all is fine, or it can be put back up if it is ok to be up.
I don’t think the act of taking a poster down is the problem; it is the destruction that I see as the problem. Some things must be left to others to resolve unfortunately.
With specific regard to posters for the movie, The Golden Compass, I see it as a hard position to take that the movie is offensive or hurtful (or other appropriate word) to Catholics and/or Christians in light of the (essentially positive) USCCB review of the movie even though that review was withdrawn.
I don’t think the act of taking a poster down is the problem; it is the destruction that I see as the problem. Some things must be left to others to resolve unfortunately.
With specific regard to posters for the movie, The Golden Compass, I see it as a hard position to take that the movie is offensive or hurtful (or other appropriate word) to Catholics and/or Christians in light of the (essentially positive) USCCB review of the movie even though that review was withdrawn.
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Rach620
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I honestly think we need to turn to Aquinas on property to make sense of this all adequately. *ST *II-II.66. We only have rights to private property inasmuch as we realize that all dominion is given to God and that we only use it for the common good.
It seems like a stretch to make a poster for The Golden Compass work against the common good, but I’d say that this would certainly apply to other posters/pieces of ‘private’ property.
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Rach620
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Another poster example…
I’ve taken down posters in my dorm at my Catholic university. Multiple times.
There’s this horrendous play by Eve Ensler called “The Vagina Monologues,” and its presence on campus here is a hotly-contested issue. We’ve reached some sort of ‘agreement’ where university departments are sponsoring it every other spring (in the ‘off’ years it’s usually performed off-campus).
Well, when I see posters advertising this play or advertising auditions for the play–even though it’s sponsored by two university departments–I rip them off the wall without thinking about it. If I were to ask the hall clerk to remove them, I would be denied…so I do it myself. And I’m not sorry.
I refuse to be forced to look at, each time I walk in and out the door, the title of this sickening production emblazoned above an innuendo-ridden Georgia O’Keeffe painting of a flower. I think it’s ridiculous that such a production finds sponsorship at a Catholic university. I think that acting in that show or watching it constitutes a near occasion of sin. So I remove the posters.
The university’s permitting the production doesn’t make it right. The play is antithetical to Catholic values, so I try to remove its presence as much as possible.
As trite as it sounds–what would Jesus do? After reading about the incident in the Temple, I seriously doubt that He’d let the posters hang.
Is this wrong? It’s a bit more serious of an example than a movie poster, I think.
I’ve taken down posters in my dorm at my Catholic university. Multiple times.
There’s this horrendous play by Eve Ensler called “The Vagina Monologues,” and its presence on campus here is a hotly-contested issue. We’ve reached some sort of ‘agreement’ where university departments are sponsoring it every other spring (in the ‘off’ years it’s usually performed off-campus).
Well, when I see posters advertising this play or advertising auditions for the play–even though it’s sponsored by two university departments–I rip them off the wall without thinking about it. If I were to ask the hall clerk to remove them, I would be denied…so I do it myself. And I’m not sorry.
I refuse to be forced to look at, each time I walk in and out the door, the title of this sickening production emblazoned above an innuendo-ridden Georgia O’Keeffe painting of a flower. I think it’s ridiculous that such a production finds sponsorship at a Catholic university. I think that acting in that show or watching it constitutes a near occasion of sin. So I remove the posters.
The university’s permitting the production doesn’t make it right. The play is antithetical to Catholic values, so I try to remove its presence as much as possible.
As trite as it sounds–what would Jesus do? After reading about the incident in the Temple, I seriously doubt that He’d let the posters hang.
Is this wrong? It’s a bit more serious of an example than a movie poster, I think.
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He_Man
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And if I deemed the direness of taking down anti-God propoganda exigent, then what?
It was also mentioned earlier you can’t commit one sin to achieve good.
I am not disputing what you said; only that exigent would need to be defined tightly by examples.
One could argue, in fact (and I am not per se), that defending God is more important than defending any one person.
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He_Man
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I agree that prudence would dictate taking it down vice destroying it. One serves a purpose; the other does not.
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He_Man
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More serious, maybe (but then again, maybe not, if you know Pullman), but the same principle applies. And I’d do the same thing.Another poster example…
I’ve taken down posters in my dorm at my Catholic university. Multiple times.
There’s this horrendous play by Eve Ensler called “The Vagina Monologues,” and its presence on campus here is a hotly-contested issue. We’ve reached some sort of ‘agreement’ where university departments are sponsoring it every other spring (in the ‘off’ years it’s usually performed off-campus).
Well, when I see posters advertising this play or advertising auditions for the play–even though it’s sponsored by two university departments–I rip them off the wall without thinking about it. If I were to ask the hall clerk to remove them, I would be denied…so I do it myself. And I’m not sorry.
I refuse to be forced to look at, each time I walk in and out the door, the title of this sickening production emblazoned above an innuendo-ridden Georgia O’Keeffe painting of a flower. I think it’s ridiculous that such a production finds sponsorship at a Catholic university. I think that acting in that show or watching it constitutes a near occasion of sin. So I remove the posters.
The university’s permitting the production doesn’t make it right. The play is antithetical to Catholic values, so I try to remove its presence as much as possible.
As trite as it sounds–what would Jesus do? After reading about the incident in the Temple, I seriously doubt that He’d let the posters hang.
Is this wrong? It’s a bit more serious of an example than a movie poster, I think.
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CuriousInIL
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I do not know that exigent circumstances applies beyond the speed limit issue that I addressed. For example, I am unaware of any exigent circumstances “exception” regarding theft.
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Sir_Knight
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You people just don’t get it. You can not commit an evil act even if it is for a good purpose. The bible teaches this and so does the church.Another poster example…
I’ve taken down posters in my dorm at my Catholic university. Multiple times.
There’s this horrendous play by Eve Ensler called “The Vagina Monologues,” and its presence on campus here is a hotly-contested issue. We’ve reached some sort of ‘agreement’ where university departments are sponsoring it every other spring (in the ‘off’ years it’s usually performed off-campus).
Well, when I see posters advertising this play or advertising auditions for the play–even though it’s sponsored by two university departments–I rip them off the wall without thinking about it. If I were to ask the hall clerk to remove them, I would be denied…so I do it myself. And I’m not sorry.
I refuse to be forced to look at, each time I walk in and out the door, the title of this sickening production emblazoned above an innuendo-ridden Georgia O’Keeffe painting of a flower. I think it’s ridiculous that such a production finds sponsorship at a Catholic university. I think that acting in that show or watching it constitutes a near occasion of sin. So I remove the posters.
The university’s permitting the production doesn’t make it right. The play is antithetical to Catholic values, so I try to remove its presence as much as possible.
As trite as it sounds–what would Jesus do? After reading about the incident in the Temple, I seriously doubt that He’d let the posters hang.
Is this wrong? It’s a bit more serious of an example than a movie poster, I think.
Taking something that does not belong to you is STEALING. Stealing is WRONG. It SPECIFICALLY violates the 7th commandment.
The REASON why you take it does not change the fact that you are STEALING. And BOTH the church and the bible teach that you can not do a wrong (stealing) even if it is for a good reason (removing from sight something that shows anti-Catholic values).
And as far as what would Jesus do … need I remind you that Jesus is God. You are not. Jesus would expect you to OBEY the OFFICIAL commandments of the Church that He established. The bible tells us that the Church has authority over our soul and therefore it’s commandments are to be obeyed.
By performing such actions, you are either willfully sinning – willfully wishing to offend God .
Or, you think that OFFICIAL church teaching on this matter is wrong and that it is okay to do wrong if it is for a good reason.
Which is it? Willfully wishing to offend God or thinking that you know better than the official church?
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JoePurnell
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I would think, yes, it would be a sin of stealing and you would be no better than the person you would seek to shame. Rather, maybe you could post a poster of your own for the movie Bella. That’s a great pro-life movie.
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God bless,
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Rach620
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A few things…
- I’m not ‘willfully wishing to offend God’–I’m trying to please Him by removing filth from a place which should be dedicated to Him.
- Regarding the teaching of the Church: I understand the commandment not to steal. I just don’t consider this stealing. It’s more like taking out the trash…
- A poster/flyer hanging up in my dorm room isn’t anyone’s property that I know of. It’s given to the dorm to hang up for advertising purposes.
- Private property–even if this poster could be deemed such–is only private inasmuch as it contributes to the common good. A poster at a Catholic university which is antithetical to the values of that university is not contributing in any way to the common good of the place.
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Sir_Knight
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Sorry. According to official church teaching, the REASON for taking something (“removing filth from a place which should be dedicated to Him”) does NOT excuse the action (taking something that does not belong to you) so instead of pleasing Him, you are offending Him by your sin of stealing which, as I just said, is not excused by the reason for doing it.
Just because YOU do not consider it to be stealing doesn’t mean that it isn’t.
If your church was running a charitable event and spent money printing up signs to advertize it and placed those signs up all over town and someone took those signs down, would you not consider that stealing? Your church paid for those signes. It gave out money that could have been used for other things in the hope of advertizing an event but because someone took those signs down, your church no longer has the money, or the signs, nor is the event advertized. THAT IS STEALING!
Taking something that does not belong to you IS stealing. The REASON for taking it does not excuse taking it accoding to church teaching.
First off, if it isn’t ANYONE’s property, then it isn’t your property either and you are not entitled to take it. By doing so, you are taking something that isn’t your’s. Secondly, some individual PAID money to advertize something with that poster. By taking it down, you have robbed that person of the opportunity to do so and that person isn’t getting what he paid for with his money. Again, theft.
That is not YOUR decision to make unless you are running the place. If they received permission to put it up, YOU have no right to take it down.
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He_Man
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Actually, I do get it. I specifically said that regardless of the status of it being a sin, that I didn’t care in this case, and would still do it.
Sin or not, I tearing that puppy down. Get it?
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