Taking questions from Sabbatarians...

[PRmerger]

Oh i thought a Jew who has become a Catholic would be Prohibited by the Catholic Church.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you could cite the source of your belief that the Catholic Church prohibits its Jewish converts from observing anything in the OT.

That it is not enjoined upon them to follow the OT laws, that is, of course, true. But that she prohibits them? I would like to see evidence of that.

I don’t belong to any Church at Present. I am one of Many who believe in Christ but don’t go to any church at present although i do my best to walk in whatever righteousness Jesus shows me in the Gospels. I tried a few Protestant types many years ago but ran into problems with what they taught. Recently in the last few years since having a computer i decided to study the history of Christianity. I got fed up of looking at the different Protestant Churches with their different doctrines. There is too many thousands. I decided to look into the history of the Catholic Churches RC-EO-OO. After studying Christology i put the Oriental Orthodox Church to One Side and my main Focus is on between the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church at present.

Best wishes on your faith journey.

One suggestion: do not try to find the church that matches your own ideology/theology (that is, church shopping). Rather, find the Church that Jesus established and then conform your theology to that.

Otherwise, if you search for the church that matches everything* you *believe, you have created a god in your own image, right?

 

[PRmerger]

The Issue about wearing any of your husbands cloths is addressed in
Deut 22:5
A woman should not wear mans clothing;Nor shall a man put on womens clothing; For whoever does these things is a abomination to the Lord…
Whether this OT law/practise Applies also to the NT Covenant i don’t Know:shrug:

It does not.

Just like the OT prohibition against tattoos. There is nothing inherently evil about having a tattoo.

I read in Leviticus 19:27…21:5 that a Man shall not cut or shave off his beard says the Lord

Right.

And it says somewhere in the OT a command to have gates on your roof.

No Christian I know feels bound by this. (Nor, for that matter, do any Jews, as far as I know!)

Also i read in Apostolic constitutions compiled in 390 AD. Men may not destroy the hair of their beards and unnaturally change the form of man. ‘‘For the Law says’’ you will not deface your beards. for God your creator has made this decent for women, but has determined it is unsuitable for men.

Source, please.

Your POPE does not have a beard so shaves his beard. Is he Wrong for doing this ?

Of course not!

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Yahudi,

So, you are able to determine God’s words - and Christ’s statements in Matthew 16 are not God’s words…?

The Pharisees made a similar mistake - they, too, were convinced that they knew God’s words and they, too, claimed the ability to identify God’s word from …well… God’s word!

Christ’s role was the fulfillment of the Law - and, He did just that. In fact, He gave us the New Testament. St. Paul tells us that we are no longer bound under the Law. Or, have you dismissed that, too?

Please note, Christ founded His Church - and not just another synagogue - and He promised that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church for all time. Now, the Judiazers had a lot of problems with this concept - and were set straight by Peter at the First Council of Jerusalem.

Give it some thought - those who say that Jesus is the Messiah - the Second Person in the Blessed Trinity - God - and, He estabished a different way for all men - not just Jews - to worship God and that is through His Church. So, what are your thoughts on this?

God bless

No, I am not a 7th day Adventist; I just stick to God’s words. Yahowsha could not have given ‘Peter’ nor anyone else any authority to change ‘one jot nor tittle’ of the Torah. Remember – "until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot nor tittle of the Torah shall be changed, weakened, nor dissolved . . . anyone who teaches such shall be ‘least’ (as in ‘not there’) BTW the name ‘Paul’ means ‘least man’. ‘First day of the week’ usually referred to the first day of the counting of the omer – the count of 7 weeks to Shabua. BTW, the ‘resurrection’ does you no good at all if you neglect the observance of Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month, and Matsah on the 15th day of the first month. Passover resolves the consequence of sin – death – it saves your soul from being exterminated; Matsah cleanses your soul of leaven – the leaven of politics and religion; only then can you capitalize on FirstFruits. Imagine, your soul becoming immortal, but then not being unleavened . . .

 

[Metamorphoo]

Hi, Metamorphoo,

I have been following this exchange with a certain amount of awe … but, I think you are losing your grip on this one.

Losing my grip??!!!

I can’t answer all of this in a single post, as it would be too lengthy. So I will do it in pieces. Be patient with me, as it will take awhile (maybe days) to answer the questions. I will start with the short answers first, as they will be the easiest to address quickly. So my responses will not be in the order of your asking.

Secondly, I really did not pick up a consistent response to why you think the Gospel of Mark is inspired (and it is - because under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Catholic Church declared certain books to be inspired - and you will find them in the Bible. Even the abridged version you have does not contain any new books - just certain inspired books were taken out) but Catholics not worshiping on the Sabbath is inappropriate.

(Big sigh). I have never stated that it is inappropriate to not worship on Saturday (which is what I think you mean when you use the term Sabbath). Although some people have repeatedly stated on this thread that the Lord’s Day is not the Sabbath, I would respectfully disagree.

The Saturday Sabbath looks back to the original 7th day of the Creation week–and looks forward to the Eternal Sabbath. Even Jewish rabbis and theologians state this. One example is found in chapter 8 of Abraham Heschel’s Jewish classic, The Sabbath: “That the Sabbath and eternity are one–or of the same essense–is an ancient idea.”

The Lord’s Day celebrates the ushering in (albeit in seed form) of the Eternal Sabbath, which was often referred to as “the Eighth Day” [of creation]–i.e., the New Creation. The number eight in the Bible is associated with a new beginning. Christ’s resurrection was significant because it marked the beginning of the Eternal Sabbath. Significantly, He rose occurred on the Feast of [Early] Firstfruits, which also was on a Sunday (the first–and eighth–day of the week). If Jesus’ resurrection did not begin this new era, then Christians are not the “new creatures” that the NT states we are.

 

[PRmerger]

The Saturday Sabbath looks back to the original 7th day of the Creation week–and looks forward to the Eternal Sabbath. Even Jewish rabbis and theologians state this. One example is found in chapter 8 of Abraham Heschel’s Jewish classic, The Sabbath: “That the Sabbath and eternity are one–or of the same essense–is an ancient idea.”

Not sure why you are quoting Jewish theologians to Catholics, as if that would be persuasive.

The Sabbath celebrated creation. The Lord’s Day celebrates resurrection. Resurrection occurred…

on Sunday.

 

[PRmerger]

The Lord’s Day celebrates the ushering in (albeit in seed form) of the Eternal Sabbath, which was often referred to as “the Eighth Day” [of creation]–i.e., the New Creation. The number eight in the Bible is associated with a new beginning. Christ’s resurrection was significant because it marked the beginning of the Eternal Sabbath. Significantly, He rose occurred on the Feast of [Early] Firstfruits, which also was on a Sunday (the first–and eighth–day of the week). If Jesus’ resurrection did not begin this new era, then Christians are not the “new creatures” that the NT states we are.

Indeed. This is the Catholic position.

By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord’s Day or Sunday." The day of Christ’s Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the “eighth day,” on which Christ after his “rest” on the great sabbath inaugurates the “day that the Lord has made,” the "day that knows no evening."The Lord’s Supper is its center, for there the whole community of the faithful encounters the risen Lord who invites them to his banquet:–Jn 21:12; Lk 24:30.

The Lord's day, the day of Resurrection, the day of Christians, is our day. It is called the Lord's day because on it the Lord rose victorious to the Father. If pagans call it the "day of the sun," we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays.--St. Jerome, 4th century

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s1c2a1.htm

 

[shaky]

It does not.

Just like the OT prohibition against tattoos. There is nothing inherently evil about having a tattoo.

Right.

And it says somewhere in the OT a command to have gates on your roof.

No Christian I know feels bound by this. (Nor, for that matter, do any Jews, as far as I know!)

Source, please.

Of course not!

The Source i have Found regarding Beard is.

Apostolic Constitutions compiled ( c.390.E) 7.392 (1)

St Clement of Alexandra 2.275…2.276…2.277
St Cyprian ( c 250.W) 5.438…5.553.

CHURCH FATHERS Apostolic Constitutions Book 1
www.newadvent.org > … > Apostolic constitutions

Beard-Wikipedia…7:1 early christian attitudes
en.wikipedia.org/wki/Beard

Upon looking at Eastern Orthodox discussion websites: I have found they seem to pick and choose what OT laws to follow or not follow. Including tattos are forbidden. but then say eating pork is ok. Then say a married couple who has had sex saturday night can not take communion sunday morning. Nor can a woman who is having her period can not take communion because of the Blood Issue. Or a woman who has given birth can not take communion for a set period of time.
They also seem to distingish between ‘‘Sabbath’’ [Saturday] and the ‘‘Lords day’’ [Sunday] as BOTH play continual a Role for the Faithful.
In Part they continue to celebrate Saturday as Sabbath because of its Role in Salvation.
en.wikipedia.org/wki/Sabbath_in_Christianity

 

[PRmerger]

The Source i have Found regarding Beard is.

Apostolic Constitutions compiled ( c.390.E) 7.392 (1)

St Clement of Alexandra 2.275…2.276…2.277
St Cyprian ( c 250.W) 5.438…5.553.

CHURCH FATHERS Apostolic Constitutions Book 1
www.newadvent.org > … > Apostolic constitutions

Beard-Wikipedia…7:1 early christian attitudes
en.wikipedia.org/wki/Beard

Fair enough.

It was a discipline espoused by a few of the ECFs. But the Church has never obligated all priests to maintain beards.

 

[shaky]

Perhaps it would be helpful if you could cite the source of your belief that the Catholic Church prohibits its Jewish converts from observing anything in the OT.

That it is not enjoined upon them to follow the OT laws, that is, of course, true. But that she prohibits them? I would like to see evidence of that.

Best wishes on your faith journey.

One suggestion: do not try to find the church that matches your own ideology/theology (that is, church shopping). Rather, find the Church that Jesus established and then conform your theology to that.

Otherwise, if you search for the church that matches everything* you *believe, you have created a god in your own image, right?

I know i have Faith in Christ. But when it Comes to which Church i am not too Sure what i believe yet. My Mind is still Open for conviction. With the frustration at times with all this mental Study. I have asked Jesus without any sort of delusion to PROPERLY Visit Me Personally to give me the answers with the Issues regarding Church. Christ did Actually Visit St Paul Properly and i read the LORD did Actually Vist Abraham Properly.

 

[PRmerger]

I know i have Faith in Christ.

Indeed.

And you ought to note, as you are a person of integrity, that the only way you can know what it was that Jesus proclaimed and revealed is through the Church. The Catholic Church.

There is no other way for you to know that the words he said in, say, the Gospel of Mark, are his true words except through the authority of men who discerned this for you, (under, of course, the inspiration of the Holy Spirit).

 

[shaky]

No, I am not a 7th day Adventist; I just stick to God’s words. Yahowsha could not have given ‘Peter’ nor anyone else any authority to change ‘one jot nor tittle’ of the Torah. Remember – "until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot nor tittle of the Torah shall be changed, weakened, nor dissolved . . . anyone who teaches such shall be ‘least’ (as in ‘not there’) BTW the name ‘Paul’ means ‘least man’. ‘First day of the week’ usually referred to the first day of the counting of the omer – the count of 7 weeks to Shabua. BTW, the ‘resurrection’ does you no good at all if you neglect the observance of Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month, and Matsah on the 15th day of the first month. Passover resolves the consequence of sin – death – it saves your soul from being exterminated; Matsah cleanses your soul of leaven – the leaven of politics and religion; only then can you capitalize on FirstFruits. Imagine, your soul becoming immortal, but then not being unleavened . . .

From how i understand the reason why Jesus said not one Jot of the OT Covenant Law given through Moses will be Changed untill the New heaven and Earth. Was because the Law was put in Charge to Lead us to Christ that we might be Justified by Faith.> Gal 3:24But After faith has Come we are no longer under a School Master> Gal 3:25.
The OT law will always be in Place to keep leading people to Christ!!
To redeem those ‘‘under Law’’> Gal 4:5. Christ is the End of the Law so there maybe Righteousness for everyone that believes>Rom 10:5. Christ fulfilled the Law on the Cross for the Sinners behalf. The Righteousness of Christ/God is Imputed on the believer. The consequences of the believers Sin was Imputed on Christ and the blood of Christ atoned for it. To redeem us from the curse of the Law> Gal 3:13. Through Christ everyone is Justified from everything. You could not be Justified by the Law of Moses> Acts 13:39. Those who try to be Justified by the Law has fallen from Grace> Gal 5:4. Back in> Gal 3we are not to be bewitched by those who are trying to put us back under the Law.

Christ is the only Greatest in the Kingdom of God because he did not break the Law. We all the Rest are Least in the Kingdom of God. But the least in the Kingdom of God is Greater then John the Baptist.

 

[pablope]

I know i have Faith in Christ. But when it Comes to which Church i am not too Sure what i believe yet. My Mind is still Open for conviction. With the frustration at times with all this mental Study. I have asked Jesus without any sort of delusion to PROPERLY Visit Me Personally to give me the answers with the Issues regarding Church. Christ did Actually Visit St Paul Properly and i read the LORD did Actually Vist Abraham Properly.

Hi, Shaky…If I may contribute a little bit…if you have not, I recommend reading on the Four Marks of the Church by Scott Hahn…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/Mod3.html

And the splendor of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/splndr.html

I have asked Jesus without any sort of delusion to PROPERLY Visit Me Personally to give me the answers with the Issues regarding Church. Christ did Actually Visit St Paul Properly and i read the LORD did Actually Vist Abraham Properly

I think if you are asking for a personal visit…God will not oblige you…for you are putting God to the test. Instead, pray for guidance and that He let you know what He wants.

Let me say this…if you ask courage, will God give zap you that you will have courage instantly? Or will He give you the oppurtunity to exercise and demonstrate courage…that you will develep courage?

Or if you ask for patience, will God zap you that you will have patience instantly? Or will God give you the oppurtunity to exercise patience…by testing your patience…that you will develop patience?

I think if you that He lead you to where He wants you…and you are open…He will give you the oppurtunity to know where He is leading you.

One other thing…even though Paul was directly visited by God…in Gal…Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days and in Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain…Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the two passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose…to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.

Paul submits to authority…and shows this obedience in Acts 13 by getting ordained before he goes out on his first missionary journey.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Pablope,

Thank you for these excellent links!

From what I have breifly seen - anyone actually thinking of joining the Church founded by Christ - and He do so on Peter - then they should read this material from a former Protestant.

God bless

Hi, Shaky…If I may contribute a little bit…if you have not, I recommend reading on the Four Marks of the Church by Scott Hahn…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/Mod3.html

And the splendor of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/splndr.html

I think if you are asking for a personal visit…God will not oblige you…for you are putting God to the test. Instead, pray for guidance and that He let you know what He wants.

Let me say this…if you ask courage, will God give zap you that you will have courage instantly? Or will He give you the oppurtunity to exercise and demonstrate courage…that you will develep courage?

Or if you ask for patience, will God zap you that you will have patience instantly? Or will God give you the oppurtunity to exercise patience…by testing your patience…that you will develop patience?

I think if you that He lead you to where He wants you…and you are open…He will give you the oppurtunity to know where He is leading you.

One other thing…even though Paul was directly visited by God…in Gal…Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days and in Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain…Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the two passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose…to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.

Paul submits to authority…and shows this obedience in Acts 13 by getting ordained before he goes out on his first missionary journey.

 

[shaky]

Hi, Shaky…If I may contribute a little bit…if you have not, I recommend reading on the Four Marks of the Church by Scott Hahn…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/Mod3.html

And the splendor of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/splndr.html

I think if you are asking for a personal visit…God will not oblige you…for you are putting God to the test. Instead, pray for guidance and that He let you know what He wants.

Let me say this…if you ask courage, will God give zap you that you will have courage instantly? Or will He give you the oppurtunity to exercise and demonstrate courage…that you will develep courage?

Or if you ask for patience, will God zap you that you will have patience instantly? Or will God give you the oppurtunity to exercise patience…by testing your patience…that you will develop patience?

I think if you that He lead you to where He wants you…and you are open…He will give you the oppurtunity to know where He is leading you.

One other thing…even though Paul was directly visited by God…in Gal…Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days and in Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain…Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the two passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose…to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.

Paul submits to authority…and shows this obedience in Acts 13 by getting ordained before he goes out on his first missionary journey.

Thanks for your Advice and giving these links. I will look at this. I did not think asking the Lord to visit me properly would be putting him to the test. Besides if he did Visit Me i could easily think i Just had a audible and visual hallucination. I am sure Psychiatry would say i did. I asked the Lord to Heal me from Cancer 15 years Ago and the cancer has Gone. I dont think that was putting him to the test. There was this one particular Sin that i had not committed for over a decade. When i fell into it and remained in it for about a year by not resisting it. I developed bowel Cancer. The Lord did Show me that this Sin led to my Sickness and this Sickness will lead me to death. The Lord did Show me to Sin no more and stay away from this Sin unless worst come upon you. I thought stay away from this Sin and the cancer will stay away from me.

Maybe if the Lord does not visit me like he did Paul and Abraham. I do read with the OT saints and with the NT that the Lord gave Peter and Paul Visions,Dreams,Revelations. Perhaps the Lord will show me this way. I know i have had some revelations,Some dreams, I think i had a Vision Once. I was standing and praying and asking the Lord to fill me with his Spirit. I was not tired but for some reason while i had my eyes clossed i had a very vivid type dream like i was asleep and found myself somewhere else. I looked around and found myself standing in this dry river bed with high banks on each side. I looked forward and noticed this high wall of water rushing towards me. I had no chance in getting out the way in time and i noticed i was being swept away by the deep water of this this river. It was then that i slowly started to wake up out of the vivid type dream. Before i woke up i did notice my eyes flickering with rapid eye movement. That experiance did cause me to cry tears of Joy. I thought after that this was something to do with the living water of the River of Life through the holy spirit as water.

 

[pablope]

Hi, Pablope,

Thank you for these excellent links!

From what I have breifly seen - anyone actually thinking of joining the Church founded by Christ - and He do so on Peter - then they should read this material from a former Protestant.

God bless

Thanks, Tom. I also wish our non-catholic brethen would re-examing their none use and disregard for the Liturgy…which is written in the link as one of the splendors of the church…which I quote:

Just about seven years ago when professor Tom Howard entered into the Church, Christianity Today, the leading evangelical news magazine, came out with a cover story about Tom Howard’s pilgrimage into the Roman Catholic Church. They tried earnestly to make it seem as though it was kind of a warm fuzzy feeling that led him back to Rome because he was so enchanted with the liturgy and he spoke of the worship and this sort of thing. They spoke of it as just kind of an emotional attraction where he was attached to these external rituals. When you talk to Dr. Howard you discover, on the contrary that if that was really his motivating force, he would’ve remained an Anglican. In his own Anglican parish there was far more ritual, but there was something missing. There was something missing of the antiquity and the ripe incarnational humanness of Catholic worship. The more he studied, the more he recognized that the historic, apostolic liturgy is what really belongs by birthright to the Catholic Church.

This is something I’m discovering. I’ve only been a Catholic five or six years now, but I’ve discovered this in many ways. I’ve been on Opus Dei retreats now three times where they have celebrated the New Order, the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin - not a lot of smells and bells, just a certain holy simplicity. But I’ve walked away from these celebrations thinking, That is powerful; that is holy.

 

[pablope]

Thanks for your Advice and giving these links.

I do hope you will find them helping you in your search.

I did not think asking the Lord to visit me properly would be putting him to the test.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Shaky,

You have been very blessed with your cancer healing - and, I am quite confident that the Lord did hear your prayers. But, it is quite a jump from being healed of a dread disease to demanding a personal audience with the All Mighty… and expecting it I must admit, when I read your previous response - I was quite amazed at what appeared to be “Industrial Strenght Presumption”

May I suggest you continue to pray for the Lord’s guidance in all of the affairs of your life.

Now, in no way am I minimizing your dream or your emotional experience… but, maybe there is another way to look at this. All medications have side-effects - and while no one gets ALL of the possible side effects - many do get some. Maybe one of the medications you are familiar with has a side effect called “vivid dreams”. I really am serious. Here are a couple of links:

zocdoc.com/answers/6229/why-does-this-medication-give-me-weird-detailed-dreams

boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=547484

The ‘vivid dream’ hypothesis may not fit because this is usually seen with someone trying a new medication - and it usually lasts as long they are on the med! These dreams can become so vivid that other-wise beneficial drugs - are no long taken by the patient simply because of this side effect.

Of course, there are other possible explanations as to a feeling that a wall of rushing water was coming towards you - and they are quite reasonable and not needing the services of a psychiatrist. Recurrent dreams invoving a wall of water may deserve respect - and seeking professional help is not out of the question.

I ceertainly wish you a peaceful and restful night’s sleep.

God bless

Thanks for your Advice and giving these links. I will look at this. I did not think asking the Lord to visit me properly would be putting him to the test. Besides if he did Visit Me i could easily think i Just had a audible and visual hallucination. I am sure Psychiatry would say i did. I asked the Lord to Heal me from Cancer 15 years Ago and the cancer has Gone. I dont think that was putting him to the test. There was this one particular Sin that i had not committed for over a decade. When i fell into it and remained in it for about a year by not resisting it. I developed bowel Cancer. The Lord did Show me that this Sin led to my Sickness and this Sickness will lead me to death. The Lord did Show me to Sin no more and stay away from this Sin unless worst come upon you. I thought stay away from this Sin and the cancer will stay away from me.

Maybe if the Lord does not visit me like he did Paul and Abraham. I do read with the OT saints and with the NT that the Lord gave Peter and Paul Visions,Dreams,Revelations. Perhaps the Lord will show me this way. I know i have had some revelations,Some dreams, I think i had a Vision Once. I was standing and praying and asking the Lord to fill me with his Spirit. I was not tired but for some reason while i had my eyes clossed i had a very vivid type dream like i was asleep and found myself somewhere else. I looked around and found myself standing in this dry river bed with high banks on each side. I looked forward and noticed this high wall of water rushing towards me. I had no chance in getting out the way in time and i noticed i was being swept away by the deep water of this this river. It was then that i slowly started to wake up out of the vivid type dream. Before i woke up i did notice my eyes flickering with rapid eye movement. That experiance did cause me to cry tears of Joy. I thought after that this was something to do with the living water of the River of Life through the holy spirit as water.

 

[shaky]

Hi, Shaky,

You have been very blessed with your cancer healing - and, I am quite confident that the Lord did hear your prayers. But, it is quite a jump from being healed of a dread disease to demanding a personal audience with the All Mighty… and expecting it I must admit, when I read your previous response - I was quite amazed at what appeared to be “Industrial Strenght Presumption”

May I suggest you continue to pray for the Lord’s guidance in all of the affairs of your life.

Now, in no way am I minimizing your dream or your emotional experience… but, maybe there is another way to look at this. All medications have side-effects - and while no one gets ALL of the possible side effects - many do get some. Maybe one of the medications you are familiar with has a side effect called “vivid dreams”. I really am serious. Here are a couple of links:

zocdoc.com/answers/6229/why-does-this-medication-give-me-weird-detailed-dreams

boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=547484

The ‘vivid dream’ hypothesis may not fit because this is usually seen with someone trying a new medication - and it usually lasts as long they are on the med! These dreams can become so vivid that other-wise beneficial drugs - are no long taken by the patient simply because of this side effect.

Of course, there are other possible explanations as to a feeling that a wall of rushing water was coming towards you - and they are quite reasonable and not needing the services of a psychiatrist. Recurrent dreams invoving a wall of water may deserve respect - and seeking professional help is not out of the question.

I ceertainly wish you a peaceful and restful night’s sleep.

God bless

It was back in 1994 that i had that Vivid type dream as i was was standing and Praying asking the Lord to fill me with his Spirit. I was not on any type of Medication then.

I do pray for guidance. It was the fact that when we study and seeking for answers and receiving guidance. Either (A) Because with our conscious mind we ask questions. Our subconscious Mind does and Can ‘‘Reveal’’ to us the course of Action to solve our problems and doubts. So we Can be guided by our SELF. Or (B) Satan can transform himself into a Angel of light and ''Reveal to our Mind. So we can be guided by satan. Or (C) The Holy Spirit Can Reveal to our Mind as to be guided by the Lord.

With all these different ways we can receive guidance can make it difficult for one to distinguish how one is receiving guidance in the Mind. I got a bit perturbed by all this mental stuff. That is why i asked the Lord. Without allowing for any delusion to come and visit me Properly and Guide me. I did read all over the NT that the Apostle Paul recieved guidance many times this way and that is why i asked the Lord.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Shaky,

Asking God for His Guidance in each of our lives is truly a wonderful daily prayer. And, you are correct about the Devil doing his best to turn us away from God by pretending to lead us to Him only to deceive us.

But, you know, like an individual walking into a freshly painted room - and touching everything - the Devil simply can not help but leave his fingerprints all over what he handles. If you notice Pride creeping into thoughts as it displaces the Humility Christ demonstrated for His Apostles - then whatever it is - there is a problem because somehow the Devil has gotten to us through the object. Praying to Our Blessed Mother is a powerful way to send the Evil One fleeing.

There is a difference in the way God provided public revelation before the end of the Apostolic Age and how He provides private revelation to some in this the Post Apostolic Age. catholic.com/tracts/can-dogma-develop The Church holds the Deposit of Faith - and through her teachings, under the Guidance of the Holy Spirit - we will know God’s Will for us. The very bases of the Moral Law is to ‘Do good and avoid evil’ - while there is more we must do - we are heading in the wrong direction if we do not follow this directive.

Again, Praise God on your recovery from cancer.

God bless

It was back in 1994 that i had that Vivid type dream as i was was standing and Praying asking the Lord to fill me with his Spirit. I was not on any type of Medication then.

I do pray for guidance. It was the fact that when we study and seeking for answers and receiving guidance. Either (A) Because with our conscious mind we ask questions. Our subconscious Mind does and Can ‘‘Reveal’’ to us the course of Action to solve our problems and doubts. So we Can be guided by our SELF. Or (B) Satan can transform himself into a Angel of light and ''Reveal to our Mind. So we can be guided by satan. Or (C) The Holy Spirit Can Reveal to our Mind as to be guided by the Lord.

With all these different ways we can receive guidance can make it difficult for one to distinguish how one is receiving guidance in the Mind. I got a bit perturbed by all this mental stuff. That is why i asked the Lord. Without allowing for any delusion to come and visit me Properly and Guide me. I did read all over the NT that the Apostle Paul recieved guidance many times this way and that is why i asked the Lord.

 

[Yahudi]

From how i understand the reason why Jesus said not one Jot of the OT Covenant Law given through Moses will be Changed untill the New heaven and Earth. Was because the Law was put in Charge to Lead us to Christ that we might be Justified by Faith.> Gal 3:24But After faith has Come we are no longer under a School Master> Gal 3:25.
The OT law will always be in Place to keep leading people to Christ!!
To redeem those ‘‘under Law’’> Gal 4:5. Christ is the End of the Law so there maybe Righteousness for everyone that believes>Rom 10:5. Christ fulfilled the Law on the Cross for the Sinners behalf. The Righteousness of Christ/God is Imputed on the believer. The consequences of the believers Sin was Imputed on Christ and the blood of Christ atoned for it. To redeem us from the curse of the Law> Gal 3:13. Through Christ everyone is Justified from everything. You could not be Justified by the Law of Moses> Acts 13:39. Those who try to be Justified by the Law has fallen from Grace> Gal 5:4. Back in> Gal 3we are not to be bewitched by those who are trying to put us back under the Law.

Christ is the only Greatest in the Kingdom of God because he did not break the Law. We all the Rest are Least in the Kingdom of God. But the least in the Kingdom of God is Greater then John the Baptist.

Just saying: Yahowsha IS the TORAH; “not one jot or tittle shall pass away, be loosed, nor changed, until heaven and earth pass away”, not until one “comes to Jesus”. Have you ever really tested Paul’s words? They are contrary to the words of Yahowah and of the Messiah. (truthseekers.co.za is a real eye opener). The Torah is Life, Light, Way, and Truth, just as Yahowsha taught. Funny, He said we would be taught Torah in the Millennium, and we will be keeping the weekly Sabbath as well as the Seven Called-Out Assemblies. Yahowsha never said “church”; He said ‘Miqra’ - ‘Called-out Assembly’ , the same 'Called-out Assembly which was delineated back in Leviticus. BTW, “shamar” means to “listen/hear/closely observe” it does not mean “obey”; Torah means teaching/guidance/instruction/advice; it does not mean ‘law’. Why would the Torah ‘pass away’ and then ‘return’? Deut 13 warns us against following a ‘prophet’ whose words do not line up with God’s Torah; God also says that He will put ‘false prophets’ in our path to test us. Yahowsha said He would allow the enemy to sow ‘tares/false words’ in His field to grow up right along side His true words. God says “Listen to Me, do not listen to men.”