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Me and my fiance are getting married in August. We have actually not really talk about sex really detailed :o Do you think, this is necessary or even appropriate before the wedding? What do you think or how did you handle things before your wedding?
 
Shouldn’t this be part of the pre-Cana training? It was 40+ years ago that I went thru that, but I remember some pretty detailed talk about sex during those classes.
 
IMO, it is very necessary. You didn’t give much info on your backgrounds (ie are you both virgins or not?) but I think a detailed conversation is warranted. I think even reading a book on sexuality at the same time ie TOB or Holy Sex or one of the other by West, Popcak, etc is and then discussing it is a good way to broach the subject if you are both somewhat shy. I would be careful to avoid getting into TOO much detail that can cause either (or both) to fall into a near occasion of sin.
 
i think it’s a bit improper to talk about it, unless you really need to do so. i think that both of you are understand each other for this. btw, what kinda conversation you’re about to make (if you’d let us know)
 
I guess I differ… presumably you both know the mechanics, so I’m unsure what there is to discuss, unless there’s a birth control issue or one of you has a particular fetish of some sort.

I can see discussing NFP, or at least both you understanding the basics of how it [method you choose, if you will be waiting] works (which could be achieved taking a class together).
 
I guess I differ… presumably you both know the mechanics, so I’m unsure what there is to discuss
This. I can understand discussing NFP, but other than that I don’t really know what you would need to discuss.
 
Friends of mine discussed this rather late in their engagement process and I know that one of them was very hurt from finding out that the other part was not a virgin. There are usually things to talk about, views on Church teaching if not anything else, and I would recommend you to do it…
 
I think what the person is asking about is likely the foreplay part. What they both are comfortable and uncomfortable with. If this is what the person is asking, then I think this is a valid thing to discuss. It seems like a good idea, because you don’t want any embarrassing things to happen because you decided not to discuss anything beforehand. But I wouldn’t know, so that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
 
Me and my fiance are getting married in August. We have actually not really talk about sex really detailed :o Do you think, this is necessary or even appropriate before the wedding? What do you think or how did you handle things before your wedding?
Of course, it is very important. The marriage is a sexed and sexual institution and a sexed and sexual contract. The mutual and reciprocal donation of bodies implies the mutual and reciprocal donation of nudities. The marital sexual charity is a right, is an obligation and is a duty for each one of members of couple: to do, not to do, to allow to do, not to allow to do, to allow not to do, to give, not to give, to allow to give, not to allow to give, to allow not to give, to receive, not to receive, to allow to receive, not to allow to receive, to allow not to receive, to take, not to take, to allow to take, not to allow to take, to allow not to take, to offer, not to offer, to allow to offer, not to allow to offer, to allow not to offer.

In canon law and in catholic morality, we talk about** the right on the body, about the right of the body and about the right to the body**. There is also the sexual cooperation in the human fashion because the marriage is a sexed and sexual matter. The right of marital act, the obligation of the marital act, the duty of the marital act, the marital sexual debt, the conjugal sexual charity, the conjugal sexual chastity, the conjugal sexual privileges, the conjugal carnal union, the conjugal carnal love, the natural family planning, the mutual and reciprocal submission concerning the conjugal sexuality, the sexual equality and the sexual equity of each spouse about the marital act, the total lack of superiority and of inferiority between spouses about the marital act are elements of marriage.There are the natural moral order of the materiality of the marital act and the natural moral order of the intentionality of the marital act. Before the celebration of wedding, in my humble opinion, each engaged person has to explain to the other its own view, in all honesty, on:

*The moral issues of the marital act, the spiritual issues of the marital act, the religious issues of the marital act, the cultural issues of the marital act, the physical issues of the marital act, the mental issues of the marital act, the psychological issues of the marital act, the physiological issues of the marital act, the sexual issues of the marital act, the sexual needs, the sexual desires, the sexual hopes, the sexual expectations, the sexual wishes, the sexual wills, the sexual vows, the sexual ideals, the sexual intentions, the sexual mentalities, the sexual beliefs, the sexual diseases, the sexual culture, the sexual education, the almost non negociable sexual things (in positive and in negative) and the sexual fears concerning the marital act;
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The “Quis”, the person who realizes the marital act (who); The “Quibus auxiliis”, the means used or employed for the marital act; The “Quid”, the act that the person has made (what, the sexual object of contract and of the institution with corollaries, sexual union of bodies, before, during and after); The “Ubi”, the place where the person has made the marital act (where with all corollaries); The"Quando", the time when the person has made the marital act (when with all corollaries); The “Quomodo”, the manner which the person has made the act (how with all corollaries in the human fashion with sexual cooperation); The “Cur”, the motives that have motivated the person to perform the act (what for with all corollaries); The “Circa quid”, the matter (the material, the sexed and sexual body of the other) on which the person has acted; Where? When? Why? What for? In which intention? How many times? How often ? How fast? How? Which manner ? The foreplay, the sexual foreplay, the afterplay…etc.

Honestly, before the wedding, each one is almost able to evaluate its own sex drive. Of course, it is not an exact science, but a good evaluation is probable and possible: a reasonnable understanding of its average libido is not impossible. A chaste engaged couple does not have to be naive about the nature of marriage: a sexed and sexual contract. If him and her are “innocent”, “naive” or full “shame” about this topic, in my opinion, it is very sad and it is imprudent of getting marriage. The naivety is not the virginity. In my opinion, each one should explain to the other everything about sexual expectations of the marital act. She and he should say their moral beliefs about the physical activities in the context of marital act; she and he should say their moral beliefs about the physical tenderness out of the context of marital act.

The marriage and the conjugal life mean, also, the fact of making some sexual efforts in favor of the other, and some sexual sacrifices in favor of the other. The sexual ajustements have to be mutual and reciprocal (the reciprocity, the mutuality, the alternativity). You need to pray God during the fiançailles. Talk, communicate between fiancées about all topics concerning the marriage (money, job, sport, leisure, education of future children, travels, morality, mentality, sexuality, religion, spirituality, the roles of wife, the roles of husband, the rights of wife, the rights of husband, the obligations of wife, the obligations of husband, the duties of wife, the duties of husband, the N.F.P, the almost non-negotiable principles of each one…etc).
 
Me and my fiance are getting married in August. We have actually not really talk about sex really detailed :o Do you think, this is necessary or even appropriate before the wedding? What do you think or how did you handle things before your wedding?
For information:

How would you know if you are sexually compatible?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=782582

Marital Foreplay and Sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=664612

Advice Please - Wife Going Overboard
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Is a married couple allowed to engage in certain sexual practices?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=774122

Question about a sexual intimacy problem
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=737220

Marital Bliss?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=768695

Recreational Sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766330

Retaliating against a spouse who refuses sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=761955

Newlywed & fear of penetration
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=609952
 
Me and my fiance are getting married in August. We have actually not really talk about sex really detailed :o Do you think, this is necessary or even appropriate before the wedding? What do you think or how did you handle things before your wedding?
Would you rather spend your wedding night talking about sex and what is morally licit or actually engaging in sex? It is up to you and your fiancé.
 
Would you rather spend your wedding night talking about sex and what is morally licit or actually engaging in sex? It is up to you and your fiancé.
Most depressing wedding night ever… :eek:
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i think it’s a bit improper to talk about it, unless you really need to do so. i think that both of you are understand each other for this. btw, what kinda conversation you’re about to make (if you’d let us know)
Are you saying it’s improper to talk about it because they aren’t officially married yet? Or because it’s improper to talk about at all? I hope you don’t mean the latter…
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DaveBj:
Shouldn’t this be part of the pre-Cana training? It was 40+ years ago that I went thru that, but I remember some pretty detailed talk about sex during those classes.
It hasn’t been too long since I was in pre-Cana and we hardly discussed it at all. Actually I’m not sure that we spent more than 10 minutes on it, each second of which was devoted to NFP only. I’m wondering what issues came up during your pre-Cana.
 
During the time of fiançailles, the discussion on the marital act, on the morality of the conjugal act with all corollaries, in the details with all the subtleties, in the natural and sacramental way, is very prudent, wise, important, useful, helpful for avoiding the strong potential incomptatibilities.

The fact of knowing by information and talks before the wedding, if there is no deep incompatible mentalities about the doxa and the praxis of conjugal sexual act, of physical love *in this particular context and/or out of this special context, is very natural, wise and full of maturity. *

If the engaged persons are not capable to have talk on those topics,** in my humble opinion, it is a sign of conjugal sexual immaturity:** it is sad. After the marriage, are you ready to have the big talk about that, and are you ready for *educating to the sexual morality of your future children? *By principle, the sexual education of kids must be done by the father and the mother, the husband and wife, the couple (wife/husband - love/lover, parents, mother and father -).

Yes yes yes, you need to talk about that. The obligation of information before entering into this contractual institution, the marriage,** is very important.**: a sign of charity for the future
 
It’s important to discuss sex in relation to church teaching, as well as use of NFP and also a general idea of each of your pasts in case anyone needs to be tested. Beyond that, I’m not really sure what else there is to talk about beforehand. It’s one of those situations where you don’t know what you don’t know until you get into it.
 
It’s important to discuss sex in relation to church teaching, as well as use of NFP and also a general idea of each of your pasts in case anyone needs to be tested. Beyond that, I’m not really sure what else there is to talk about beforehand. It’s one of those situations where you don’t know what you don’t know until you get into it.
To add to your list, I would say it’s a good idea to talk about the personal aspects of sex as well. Stuff like body image, self-esteem, sex drive, sexual hangups, etc.

I mean, you talk about discussing Church teaching—that should lead to personal discussions. One can intellectually assent to Church teaching and yet emotionally struggle to implement it… for example, fear of being seen naked by one’s (future) spouse. Is it just a normal, natural anxiety or is there a more troubling psychology beneath it that will interfere with the marriage? Etc.
 
To add to your list, I would say it’s a good idea to talk about the personal aspects of sex as well. Stuff like body image, self-esteem, sex drive, sexual hangups, etc.

I mean, you talk about discussing Church teaching—that should lead to personal discussions. One can intellectually assent to Church teaching and yet emotionally struggle to implement it… for example, fear of being seen naked by one’s (future) spouse. Is it just a normal, natural anxiety or is there a more troubling psychology beneath it that will interfere with the marriage? Etc.
Good points. Sometimes I take it as a given that couples talk about these things before they decide to get engaged, but that’s not always the case. They should discuss church teaching in relation to their personal lives so far as they are able without (presumably, anyway) practical experience.
 
My husband and I did not discuss sex that much before marriage. Imagine our surprise when his expectations were for nightly sex (he thought this is just what couples did before bed) and mine was… Less ambitious. Over the years we’ve had plenty of discussions about body image, “adventurous” sex, how and when it’s cool to say “not tonight, dear”, family planning, aging, parenting and sexuality… A lot of that can be discussed as time goes by, and should be, but you really should discuss your immediate expectations and concerns ahead of time. For example, you may hate being touched a certain way or in a certain spot - do you want to clear that up NOW or in bed on your wedding night after he’s already gone and done it and bothered you?
 
Um, I hate to ask but what does NFP stand for?? I been seeing that on some threads about the topic of sex.
 
Um, I hate to ask but what does NFP stand for?? I been seeing that on some threads about the topic of sex.
Natural family planning. It amounts to learning your menstrual cycle and the symptoms that accompany ovulation so that you can use the information to plan intercourse for a desired outcome (either pregnancy achievement or avoidance.)

It’s the only way Catholics can morally limit their family size.
 
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