Talking about sex with your spouse

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Don’t “indicate”… TELL HIM!! He’s your husband.

Just say “hey honey, I LOVE it when you do (*******) to me”… “Hey, how about doing some of that NOW”

LOL… I know it sounds funny, but seriously, you just have to tell him. Put the kids to bed, invite him to the bedroom, drop the clothes and just say it. 🙂
I would also suggest being very descriptive about what you want, how long, etc. Give feedback if we are doing it right or wrong. Most men are task oriented. We want to do what makes you feel good and do it well. We are really bad at mind reading.

My wife was usually the silent type and I sort of had to guess what she liked by watching her facial expressions. I never really knew what made her feel good and what she was just putting up with. She told me a few years ago that she never really had good orgasms until she was in her 30’s. I asked her what the problem was. She said that she always felt like she was going to pee when she had the big moment so she would hold back. I told her that I think that is impossible unless she had some kind of medical problem.

I looked it up on the internet and sure enough that is a common feeling for women. They feel like they are going to pee when they have an orgasam. Once she let go of that fear (I always thought that would be interesting when she told me, not wierd) she had much more intense orgasms.

Most men like women who are assertive in the bedroom. It is a big turn on. Please don’t feel wierd, shy, etc. Learn what you like, TELL us and provide feedback on how we are doing.

As for foreplay, men don’t really need it all so we are sort of clueless about what to do unless we are told, specifically what to do. My wife likes me to use my fingers down there. That is what I was told. So I did. It took her probably 6 months to tell me I was doing it wrong. Then it was like pulling teeth to find out how I was supposed to do it. I finally just told her to put her hand on mine and show me what I am supposed to do. Then I understood and no more problems.

Women also need to ask men where they are at. Once we are done the fun is over for at least an hour for most men. If your not done then this can also be a problem for some men. We feel like we did not “get the job done”. Then the icing is “It’s fine hun I had a good time” That is man speak for “You flopped and left me hanging”. Men are the only ones who are required to finish inside the women. If the woman is not done a man should use other means to make sure his spouse can finish as well. I now insist on this and it does make my wife feel better. She is never left out now.

After my wife had kids she had a hard time finishing. She never said anything until I asked. Again I wondered why she didn’t say anything? I bought a vibrating toy. This solved that problem. She doesn’t need it when she is pregnant, but when she is not she says she has a really long work out without the toy to get to the finish line.

My whole point is that men need communication and feedback. We are task oriented. My wife always used to get upset when we were younger with phrases like “Why don’t you ever do the dishes” or “Why don’t you ever do the laundry” , etc. I just said I didn’t know she wanted me to do that. I said “Just tell me what you want me to do when you want me to do it”. That is what I do (and it sometimes gets me in trouble).
 
I would strongly recommend the book, "Holy Sex!: A Catholic Guide to Toe-Curling, Mind-Blowing, Infallible Loving " by Gregory K. Popcak. I personally found it extremely helpful! The author covers everything! I always wondered about when and how it was okay to turn down sex/push for sex, what types of foreplay are acceptable, etc. and this book pretty much answered all my questions, all from a Catholic perspective.
 
I have been married for over 10 years to an amazing guy and we have 2 very young children. Our relationship has always been great. Sex has always been good if a little predictable. Since having the kids, my desire has waned mainly out of exhaustion - a lot of times I would just rather sleep while I can LOL. I don’t “deny him” so need to throw the marital debt book at me, but I have been known to ignore subtle clues that he’s looking for sex, and other times I just sort of treat it as a chore I’m sad to say. I always enjoy it once were “involved” but I just don’t find myself excited about the prospect most of the time. His “pursuit” has also gotten pretty lame; I’m sure he’s tired too and more than that he doesn’t want to pressure me since he knows I’m tired and spread thin. But the truth is, I find it so much more enticing when he is more aggressive as he often used to be. Foreplay is almost nonexistent right now; he has a way of indicating he’s interested in sex, and I either initiate from there or he rolls over and goes to sleep.

At any rate, there are “set ups” and types of foreplay that are very effective in getting me in the mood. But I just don’t know how to bring it up. I have no trouble talking about sex in general, but I find it difficult to talk about my desires and thoughts as sex pertains to me. We’ve never talked about our sex much - when we started dating I expressed my intention to remain a virgin until marriage which he respected even though he was not a virgin himself and wasnt practicing his faith at the time (he reverted shortly after we were married praise God)! Since we’ve been married we pretty much have only discussed our sex life as it pertains to conception, either trying or avoiding. I have always depended on his sexual lead as he had previous experience but following his lead isn’t working right now. I just don’t know how to bring it up . I am better at writing than talking about personal matters, but or seems kind of cowardly in a way. Any thoughts?
I am not sure to understand, before your wedding, have you talked about:

your sexual needs ; your sexual thoughts ; your intellectual approach of marital act ; your points of view of conjugal act?

Today after 10 years of conjugal life, you need to talk with your husband on this topics without shame, without prudishness. For that, for instance during your next sexual union, take the initiative and say to him: " Dear love, today I want to be your mistress – one of dimension of each spouse in the marriage --. Thus, we are talking about sexual love. My preferences are… and yours." And in the same time, you are beginning the foreplay (non sexual, then sexual).

You need to find together your own sexual Etiquette. It is a challenge!!!
 
I’ll be a bit off topic,

but I just wanted to mention to fpt that in current English the term mistress doesn’t really mean “Lover” it means more like “kept woman”.

Originally it was the feminine of master, but the meaning has somewhat evolved.

I don’t know if you speak Italian but in Italian “amante” means lover. the word “mantenuta” (which I’m not sure is currently used) means “maintained” a kept woman. Not sure if French has a similar term.

Please pardon my boldness in correcting your English. :o It is very good, my compliments.
 
As for foreplay, men don’t really need it all
Generalizations are tough.Personally, as a guy, I like it. I can be physically “there” but maybe not mentally “there” if you know what I mean… and foreplay helps. 🤷
If the woman is not done a man should use other means to make sure his spouse can finish as well. I now insist on this and it does make my wife feel better. She is never left out now.
I sorta wonder how that works. If you have completed the act then… without trying to get too blunt here, but something should be in there. So, I don’t know how to go ahead and start doing something down there when something is in there (trying to beat around the bush as much as possible.)
. I just said I didn’t know she wanted me to do that. I said “Just tell me what you want me to do when you want me to do it”. That is what I do (and it sometimes gets me in trouble).
It shouldn’t. 😦
 
I’ll be a bit off topic,

but I just wanted to mention to fpt that in current English the term mistress doesn’t really mean “Lover” it means more like “kept woman”.

Originally it was the feminine of master, but the meaning has somewhat evolved.

I don’t know if you speak Italian but in Italian “amante” means lover. the word “mantenuta” (which I’m not sure is currently used) means “maintained” a kept woman. Not sure if French has a similar term.

Please pardon my boldness in correcting your English. :o It is very good, my compliments.
In French the words — épouse ou femme "— are in English — female spouse, woman spouse, or wife — if my translations are quite good.

By the word — mistress— I wanted to write “lover”, I mean woman with who a man desires to have sex because he loves her.: his sexual sweetheart and his sexual lover for sexual love. I wanted to focus on the sensual, sexual , erotic aspects of marital act.
 
I should mention that there isn’t any issue with my er…finishing. Happens every time :). In spite of this, I’m just not always interested in having sex at the end of a day that started at 6 and ended at 11. I need the kind of foreplay that makes having sex irresistible for me when I’m that tired and disinterested. I know what would work, I just feel extremely awkward telling DH , hey you know what would make me want to have sex more - get all caveman on me (still omitting specifics for all of your benefit) LOL. I don’t know how to kick of such an awkward conversation that will likely be somewhat embarrassing for me.
 
I need the kind of foreplay that makes having sex irresistible for me when I’m that tired and disinterested.
If you know that, you should write a book. I’d buy it in a second. I’d sure love to figure out what that is for my wife.😦

Seriously, you should have **no **pressure you for this conversation. That in itself should make it easier, if you can convince yourself of that. I guarantee it is something that he already wants to know and wishes that he could figure out. You flat out telling him would spare both of you a lot of pain and heartache. I stress all the time about trying to figure out what my next game plan will be to try to get my wife in the mood. I think I’m on Plan W today. I’m just worried about what happens when I run out of alphabet.🤷 In all seriousness, there is no conversation I would love to have more with her than the one you are struggling to have with your husband. I can’t imagine he is not the same way.
 
I should mention that there isn’t any issue with my er…finishing. Happens every time :). In spite of this, I’m just not always interested in having sex at the end of a day that started at 6 and ended at 11. I need the kind of foreplay that makes having sex irresistible for me when I’m that tired and disinterested. I know what would work, I just feel extremely awkward telling DH , hey you know what would make me want to have sex more - get all caveman on me (still omitting specifics for all of your benefit) LOL. I don’t know how to kick of such an awkward conversation that will likely be somewhat embarrassing for me.
You need to be free, not prudish concerning the sexual talks with your dear husband. With your lover who is your husband be spontaneous, simple, straight (direct).

If I understand well you like your husband be caveman: active, virile, animalistic, bestial…etc. Is the case? Caveman, what is it for you???

If you become a cavewoman???
 
I guess the thing to remember when you are talking about sex, is that you are talking about an act of love. How much love and thought are being put into it? Are you both approaching sex like handing each other granola bars for breakfast, or are you getting up early and making pancakes, setting the table nicely, etc. Certainly you’re going to run short on time some times, but regardless of whether its sex or other loving things we do toward each other, we have to work toward putting love in all our actions rather than going through the motions.

I thus would sit down with your husband and talk about how to reconnect in multiple ways, including sexual. Try to speak about it as a joint effort. Inquire if he feels the same way. Perhaps this is just a symptom of other things going on.
 
I should mention that there isn’t any issue with my er…finishing. Happens every time :). In spite of this, I’m just not always interested in having sex at the end of a day that started at 6 and ended at 11. I need the kind of foreplay that makes having sex irresistible for me when I’m that tired and disinterested. I know what would work, I just feel extremely awkward telling DH , hey you know what would make me want to have sex more - get all caveman on me (still omitting specifics for all of your benefit) LOL. I don’t know how to kick of such an awkward conversation that will likely be somewhat embarrassing for me.
#1 - You have to get to bed sooner than 11!!! I know, I know, the day seems to never have enough hours in it. But at 11, your body craves sleep and you are mentally drained. And he’s not at his best either. Any possibility of daytime encounters? Work together to get the kids in bed earlier, get chores finished earlier, turn off the TV, let the chores go, and GET TO BED! If you have energy left, you might find it easier to say what you need to say in the first place. You could entice him with, “Hey, Hon, if we get to bed earlier, you can play “caveman” with me…(wink wink)…”

#2 - If “caveman” works for you, act like the cavewoman. Might be funny to get one of those cavewoman costumes I see around Halloween. He might laugh, and then drag you by the hair to the bedroom. Ha ha.
 
#1 - You have to get to bed sooner than 11!!! I know, I know, the day seems to never have enough hours in it. But at 11, your body craves sleep and you are mentally drained. And he’s not at his best either. Any possibility of daytime encounters? Work together to get the kids in bed earlier, get chores finished earlier, turn off the TV, let the chores go, and GET TO BED! If you have energy left, you might find it easier to say what you need to say in the first place. You could entice him with, “Hey, Hon, if we get to bed earlier, you can play “caveman” with me…(wink wink)…”

#2 - If “caveman” works for you, act like the cavewoman. Might be funny to get one of those cavewoman costumes I see around Halloween. He might laugh, and then drag you by the hair to the bedroom. Ha ha.
#1 I know you’re right. It just seems like we never get everything done that we need to.
But you’re right.

#2. 😛
 
#1 I know you’re right. It just seems like we never get everything done that we need to.
But you’re right.

#2. 😛
Trust me, the dirt, the laundry, the bills…Aren’t going anywhere. They will still be there tomorrow. Turn off the TV, shut down the computers, and once those babies are snoozin…

Get to it!

👍

Seriously…what is really more important? One more episode of “Dancing With the Stars?” One more load of laundry folded? Or getting closer to your husband?
 
I have a question for you too, since I just thought of this.

How are you in those ‘sneaky’ moments when the kids aren’t looking?

A nice kiss in the morning… where’s the hands?

Making dinner… hubby comes in to grab a beer, maybe a soda…nothing wrong with a quick ‘tap’ and a ‘smile’ at him to let you know you’re ‘thinking of him’…

Copping a feel isn’t just for teenagers 🙂

Moments like that… Trust me, that’s foreplay in the making… then he’ll definitely want to ‘go to bed’ early, and get all Flintstones on you 🙂

Make sure you’re taking advantage of those quick moments 🙂 They add up!
 
Trust me, the dirt, the laundry, the bills…Aren’t going anywhere. They will still be there tomorrow. Turn off the TV, shut down the computers, and once those babies are snoozin…

Get to it!

👍

Seriously…what is really more important? One more episode of “Dancing With the Stars?” One more load of laundry folded? Or getting closer to your husband?
I wish it was just tv or laundry but I teach a college class several nights a week so those nights I don’t even get home until 930. I need to make better use of the other nights though!
 
I plan to address some of your points in detail but I wanted to quickly respond to a few general ideas. First, his “initiating” of sex at this point is so incredibly passive that it is more like sending the signal that he’s interested. It doesn’t involve physical contact or verbal communication, it’s just something I can pick up on. I do agree that he probably doesn’t want to be more forthcoming because he doesn’t want to be rejected.

I don’t think details are necessary but I can’t imagine that the foreplay I prefer would be considered off limits except by those people that think anything outside of missionary position sex strictly for the purpose of procreation is unacceptable. It’s more of a mental thing for me.

Also the reasons I feel uncomfortable initiating this discussion are varied - it is partly embarrassment at verbalizing my turn ons, part self consciousness that I am perhaps not as sexually attractive as I was 4 years ago before my first pregnancy, part fear of hurting his ego as if I’m telling him what he’s doing lately isn’t enough.

As I said I will address some of your individual points later. Thanks to all!
Couple of thoughts -

It is difficult for a husband to try to initiate/continue to initiate if there is little chance of anything happening, for whatever reason. After a while, the desire to do so fades, and yes it feels like rejection, even if that is not the case.

Two, if talking is difficult or awkward, then write it out. I can promise that your husband will find it an incredible turn on to know his wife has different desires and turn-ons she wants him to do. Reading it will be a turn on in itself. And the next time you’re in the sack - or wherever - he may surprise you! Still talk about it afterwards, but writing will help.

The key, however, is if you are going to write and/or talk about it - you have to follow through! Make time, take time, but don’t lay out your desires and turn ons and then say “later, honey”.
 
Couple of thoughts -

It is difficult for a husband to try to initiate/continue to initiate if there is little chance of anything happening, for whatever reason. After a while, the desire to do so fades, and yes it feels like rejection, even if that is not the case.

Two, if talking is difficult or awkward, then write it out.** I can promise that your husband will find it an incredible turn on to know his wife has different desires and turn-ons she wants him to do. Reading it will be a turn on in itself.** And the next time you’re in the sack - or wherever - he may surprise you! Still talk about it afterwards, but writing will help.

The key, however, is if you are going to write and/or talk about it - you have to follow through! Make time, take time, but don’t lay out your desires and turn ons and then say “later, honey”.
No, don’t bother writing it out. Do men buy Playboy for the articles?

:rolleyes:

Written words do not turn most men on. PICTURES do. VISUALS do. Several men have said on this thread “DO NOT write him a note!!!” Just do it!!

😃

If the OP wants to put something on paper, I would try to find pictures of what she wants, and paste them on a bright-colored poster board but make sure the kids can’t find it. (not porno, just suggestive.)
 
Youve hit on some truth for me. Telling him to be more dominating feels like I’m dominating him which is a turn off for me.
No, no, no! Trust me - telling him to be more dominating is a turn on, if a husband knows that is what his wife actually wants! I love nothing more than being able to flat out ravish my wife, knowing she wants me to and is “being selfish” as she calls it. It is kind of like telling him to have his way with you (in the right kind of way). Maybe it even fits with some of your turn-ons. But if you tell him that, you have to let him and be available to let him! The good side is even if you are tired and not totally into it at the time, letting him be “dominant” may well give you some of the best sex, for both of you!

I will say, though, a husband is going to want his wife to reciporcate as well, at some point. Even guys like being “taken” if they know their wife is wanting to; makes us feel desired and wanted.
 
Moon, you offer a very helpful perspective thank you. In my defense I am an active participant once the action is in progress, it’s just that I have trouble getting into the mood to begin with.

To address some other comments (I am posting from my phone and it’s hard to quote sorry):

Easterjoy - I’m not opposed to babbling and crying with DH, but I find that when we have those types of conversations, they aren’t very fruitful for two reasons: one, I lose my ability to communicate intelligibly, and two, he goes into “please stop crying” mode where all he wants to do is get me not to cry.

We have become more parents and partners in running a household than lovers. I really want to fix that before it becomes a major problem.

It is just so hard to imagine saying out loud what my major turn ons are. Men, if you were in this situation, how would you like this information to be conveyed. What would build you up rather than tear you down while your wife got such a point across?
I guess my questions are: is he doing something you prefer he didn’t? Is there something he is doing, but you wish he did differently? There are obviously things you want more of - what are they (rhetorically)? How is that supposed to happen if you don’t talk? Is something so bad that you are worried you will hurt his feelings, or is it more that you want him to do more things?

Suggestions are to guide him where you want him on your body or in whatever he is doing; tell him while he is doing whatever that you want him to “try it this way”; buy a book and mark the pages; leave suggestive notes around the house or in his clothes or wallet for him to find. But TELL him.

I can promise that it actually will hurt if you let it go on, and he finds out so much later that you wanted something different. Then it does come across as your were having sex out of obligation.

I would want my wife to tell me, show me, and then let me. Ask your husband the same questions though - what are his turn ons and what else could you be doing for/to him?
 
I agree, I think your wife needs a thyroid test especially. No energy and sleeping all the time, and having had 5 children - women have a weak spot in their thyroids and bearing children makes that little gland just work itself into oblivion. I hope she will agree to have a check up. If it’s something organic, like her thyroid going wonky, it can be improved greatly. If she already takes thyroid supplements, she might need her dosage adjusted. That’s not medical advice, though, it’s just a recommendation that she see a doctor about her tiredness. Of course some of that is having 5 kids to deal with…I only had 2 and getting them to young adulthood has nearly used me up! 😉

The point I bolded is very important for women to understand. It is not how we work as females, and we tend to judge you guys about this, and not comprehend how sex can have that much of a hold on you, or be that critical to your self-image. Most of us, although we’d miss it, maybe a lot, could go the rest of our lives without sex and still have our self-esteem and self-image that would be unaltered. How we see that we are loved is not only through sexual intimacy IOW. But it sure seems to be an end in itself to men. It is much more GLOBAL for you guys.

Absolutely dead on.

I did get to feel a little of the disappointment that you mentioned when you and your wife went to the casino…Lately, hubby and I have been enjoying weekend encounters because one son is at college and the other one usually works on Saturday. Well, this past weekend hubby was totally exhausted from a difficult work week, and just went upstairs and went to sleep during our usual “fun” time. 😦 I am much more active in the day time and so an opportunity was lost…What a switch for me to be in the rejected position…I felt rather wistful the rest of the weekend.

Suggestion: if that happens again and he falls asleep - “wake him and take him”! I bet you could find a wonderful way to wake him up and he’ll be in the mood in no time, and he will be totally turned on that you did that - for both of you.

I agree that sex needs to be at the top of our lists and not at the bottom. It does need to come before email even if it takes more energy.
 
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