Taping or filming of exorcisms

[jen_fla]

Not that I know much in this area, but I think it would be a horrible idea in any circumstances, and my thought is that the demons could attach themselves to the recording and oppress someone else that way when they listen back.

i am not sure, but demons don’t always have to be tied to a person. they can take over a place which is known as infestation.

This brings a few questions though. My girlfriend says God even loves the devil since He is Love. Something about that doesn’t seem right to me though. And so should we actively hate the devil or merely ignore his temptations while praying for St. Michael and all the angels to fight against him for us? sorry if I’m derailing the discussion a bit.

i think it’s more like that example of is there such a thing as hot and cold. does cold really exist or is it the absence of heat? evil does not exist, but yet we all see the results of what the absence of God brings about. satan does exist as a being and when he was created that was good, but due to satan choosing to never do God’s will, his defiance brings about the darkness and pain we see on earth.

either way, i’d like to ask all of you to pray for my misguided friend(s) that are using the ouija board.

thank you!

 

[redhen]

I have a blog that describes about 10% of my experiences and is intentionally vague. I only write there to get it out of my system and keep me sane .

Is this your site? mysticwarrior.wordpress.com/

I didn’t know Catholic laypersons could do these things:

"This dark one tried to come off as the person themselves, but I tested the waters. "

“So, I **forced **it to tell me it’s name …”

"Once I knew that a spell had been done I verbally began to speak the words, “I break any curse, spell or ritual done against you”. "

"I promptly broke all connections with this boy and** threw the spirit out **on his tail running. "

Are you a Catholic?

 

[jen_fla]

Oh yes, I’ve considered it. Four years ago I seriously contemplated it. I saw a pastor, the RCIA director, went to mass several times, etc. At the time there was some real discord in the home because of my intent to convert. I left it alone till a later time when the situation would be better. I believe I’ll eventually end up there

you know from the moment i read your first post, i just had that feeling as well! :knight2:

No, I didn’t take that as an offense. I’ve never had physical scars, although I’ve had to be physical with some people and hold them down. The emotional scars are the toughest for me - like a piece of my humanity is stripped away every time I confront demons. It’s hard to explain.

with the sacraments, i believe you will come away feeling closer to God and less like something has been taken away. i can not imagine the things you have experienced, but i do know that fear is another one of satan’s tactics. a Priest should be able to discuss with you whether you are placing yourself in danger or not by doing these things unarmed as a non-Catholic so to speak. however, God alone knows your intent and all of this might be stepping stones on your path to his Holy Church.

God and His holy angels have protected me through every situation. I’ve never felt in real danger. I know that if God gave me this job to do He would provide the help I needed. I would love to one day receive the sacraments into my life. It would be wonderful.

If I converted, I would have to submit to the Church in regards to exorcisms. I would not be able to perform major exorcisms licitly because I would not be a priest. I could perform a solemn exorcism only (a layman’s exorcism where I couldn’t address the dark ones). At this point, I cannot submit to that. As long as people come to me and ask for help when no one else can or will, I will do whatever I have to do, permission or not. I’m a rebel that way

pray that you are humbled to do God’s will. i think we all struggle with what we believe will be “giving things up,” but when we take that leap of faith we find that God has something far better in mind for us than we could ever have imagined.

take care, friend. may the good Lord guide you (and all of us) on your (our) journey! or better yet, may we all have the eyes/ears and will to know and do what God is asking of us. :grouphug:

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Is this your site? mysticwarrior.wordpress.com/

I didn’t know Catholic laypersons could do these things:

"This dark one tried to come off as the person themselves, but I tested the waters. "

“So, I **forced **it to tell me it’s name …”

"Once I knew that a spell had been done I verbally began to speak the words, “I break any curse, spell or ritual done against you”. "

"I promptly broke all connections with this boy and** threw the spirit out **on his tail running. "

Are you a Catholic?

No, I’m not a Catholic. Yes, it is my site. I speak of departed human spirits there as well. That’s why I don’t promote it here on CAF. It goes against Catholic teaching to do the things I do.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

you know from the moment i read your first post, i just had that feeling as well! :knight2:

. I really love Catholic spirituality and the firm foundation it provides for people.

with the sacraments, i believe you will come away feeling closer to God and less like something has been taken away. i can not imagine the things you have experienced, but i do know that fear is another one of satan’s tactics. a Priest should be able to discuss with you whether you are placing yourself in danger or not by doing these things unarmed as a non-Catholic so to speak. however, God alone knows your intent and all of this might be stepping stones on your path to his Holy Church.

I believe so too, as well. I have a devotion to the Blessed Mother and she comforts me often. I’m quite fond of her son too I used to fear the dark ones. But then I found out that they are more afraid of me than I am of them and my perspectives changed.

Oh, I know that the Church would frown on what I do. I would probably be allowed to assist a priest in exorcisms once I converted and that would be fine. I would be glad to do so if asked. It’s just telling me that I can’t do it when the need arises where I have a problem.

My journey is complicated, as is life itself. I was once told by a dark one, “you know that exorcists don’t live very long, don’t you?”. I said yes, but that I would do what I could, when I could, to send them back to Hell as long as I live on this earth.

pray that you are humbled to do God’s will. i think we all struggle with what we believe will be “giving things up,” but when we take that leap of faith we find that God has something far better in mind for us than we could ever have imagined.

Yes, I struggle with fulfilling all that God wants for me. He knows that I fail sometimes. I have a rebellious streak in me and often pray for Him to strip me of any pride and rebellion. After all, that’s what got our adversary in trouble.

take care, friend. may the good Lord guide you (and all of us) on your (our) journey! or better yet, may we all have the eyes/ears and will to know and do what God is asking of us. :grouphug:

Thank you sister. May the Lord always be merciful to you and comfort you.

 

[beckycmarie]

My journey is complicated, as is life itself. I was once told by a dark one, “you know that exorcists don’t live very long, don’t you?”. I said yes, but that I would do what I could, when I could, to send them back to Hell as long as I live on this earth.

This exchange is not much different than the thing with the psychiatrist in Hostage to the Devil, and it’s a good example of why one should not engage in this sort of conversation with demons. They are liars (Fr. Amorth is 83 years old, by the way). Demons are far more intelligent than we, and have many millenia of observing human behavior to know just how to push our buttons. It doesn’t take much for them to mess with our heads.

I suspect, MW, that these kinds of verbal exchanges are why you have emotional scars and feel like a piece of your humanity is stripped away every time you confront demons.

 

[beckycmarie]

God is love where Satan is evil.

God can not love Satan because He can not love evil.

Jim

God loves all His creatures, even the ones who choose hell.

Satan is not sin. Satan is a fallen angel who chose to turn away from God. When God created the angels, he created them good and gave them the free will to choose to love him or to choose to turn away from him. Because of their purely spiritual natures and their greater intellect, the choice of the angels was one irrevocable choice for God or for self. The fallen angels chose self. While God loves every being he has created, he will not force his love on anyone and will allow them to choose against him.

Source: Ask an Apologist

 

[JPUSC]

Does anyone here watch “Paranormal State” on A&E? They featured an exorcism with a Catholic priest on one of their episodes.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

This exchange is not much different than the thing with the psychiatrist in Hostage to the Devil, and it’s a good example of why one should not engage in this sort of conversation with demons. They are liars (Fr. Amorth is 83 years old, by the way). Demons are far more intelligent than we, and have many millenia of observing human behavior to know just how to push our buttons. It doesn’t take much for them to mess with our heads.

Dear, we’ve been through this over and over. You are presuming a lot of things that you have no idea about. You take one quote from mine of what a demon said and blow it all out of proportion. You also use it to show me how I don’t know what I’m doing. This coming from a person who has never dealt with a demon head-on. So what does Fr. Amorth’s age have to do with anything?

Demons are supposed to be intelligent. But I’ve met some pretty stupid ones too, ones that used the same old tactics that they know don’t work with me. And yet, they’re too stupid to try something else. I think much less of demons and much more about human potential.

I suspect, MW, that these kinds of verbal exchanges are why you have emotional scars and feel like a piece of your humanity is stripped away every time you confront demons.

You suspect wrong of course because you don’t know the situations I’ve been in. The emotional scars are from seeing people fly up walls upside down in crucifixion pose, hearing how they want to rape the possessed and what they’ve done to others, all the while hissing and speaking to me in a gutteral voice that is not human. Since you’ve never been in a battle with them I don’t expect you to understand. But, I also don’t expect you to try to teach me your version of what is true. Find some other poor soul to teach.

I have never criticized the Catholic understanding of possession, its exorcists or their methods. In fact, I support the work they are doing. What I do criticize is your lack of understanding and your groups’ exclusive claim to knowing it all. And of course, you don’t want to hear it, but Fr. Martin speaks about the very thing I have talked about.

Let me ask you - when you get through a deliverance session where a demon screams bloody murder and spews his filthy speech, do you get the warm fuzzies or do you feel like you’ve met something totally evil that seems to pierce the goodness in your soul?

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

If I remember correctly, clips of the actual tape-recording from the exorcism of Anneliese Michel (sp?) were used in the movie “The Exorcism of Emily Rose”. Exorcists tend to make tape recordings for various reasons (ie. a record of what happened, in case something goes wrong, or in order to teach potential exorcists, to give them an idea of what it’s like before they handle an actual deliverance), but any exorcist worth his blessed salt should ask for the permission of the family, etc. of the person being exorcised.

That said, someone here mentioned lay people performing exorcisms or something like that. The Church doesn’t really approve of this sort of thing for the same reason that it’s a better idea if a team of fire fighters puts out a house fire, rather than have the home-owner call in his neighbors to assist in a bucket brigade. It might work, but then again, it’s a better idea to call in a professional, in case something should Go Horribly Wrong. I want to think I’d heard of someone trying to perform an exorcism themself and then a demon got attached to them somehow. Granted, these things sometimes happen to trained exorcists, but at least they’re better prepared to deal with the fallout than your average layperson. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be done, rather, I’m saying that it’s better to err on the side of discretion and call upon an exorcist.

 

[beckycmarie]

Does anyone here watch “Paranormal State” on A&E? They featured an exorcism with a Catholic priest on one of their episodes.

I’ve seen them bring in a schismatic priest, but I don’t recall ever seeing them bring in an orthodox Catholic priest.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Does anyone here watch “Paranormal State” on A&E? They featured an exorcism with a Catholic priest on one of their episodes.

I do watch it. Ryan brings in different clergy depending on the family’s request. He’s Catholic himself.

 

[beckycmarie]

I do watch it. Ryan brings in different clergy depending on the family’s request. He’s Catholic himself.

He’s Catholic but does quite a number of things he shouldn’t be doing. That seance they do on every show is one of them.

 

[JPUSC]

He’s Catholic but does quite a number of things he shouldn’t be doing. That seance they do on every show is one of them.

Hmm, I do know that he’s a practicing Catholic and that he probably shouldn’t be dabbling with that stuff, but I do think a lot of good comes out of what he does.

For one, he acknowledges the existence of the devil and the power of Catholic rituals and sacramentals. For a mainstream audience to be exposed to that sort of thing is a good thing. I know Chip Coffey, the medium, is Catholic too. I know that sounds a little strange or contradictory, but it works, haha.

Though, Ryan is endangering himself. It seems like he has a certain demon following him around, judging from the episodes I’ve seen. During the exorcism, I think the demon yelled a name, which Ryan recognized.

 

[beckycmarie]

Hmm, I do know that he’s a practicing Catholic and that he probably shouldn’t be dabbling with that stuff, but I do think a lot of good comes out of what he does.

For one, he acknowledges the existence of the devil and the power of Catholic rituals and sacramentals. For a mainstream audience to be exposed to that sort of thing is a good thing. I know Chip Coffey, the medium, is Catholic too. I know that sounds a little strange or contradictory, but it works, haha.

Though, Ryan is endangering himself. It seems like he has a certain demon following him around, judging from the episodes I’ve seen. During the exorcism, I think the demon yelled a name, which Ryan recognized.

The problem is that this show teaches people to do things they shouldn’t. The Catechism is very clear about NOT using mediums - and no Catholic should consult a medium let alone be a practicing one. Most likely any ability Chip has comes from demons.

Ryan is not only endangering himself, but also viewers who may think the solution to weird things in their houses is to do the things shown on paranormal state, pretty much all of which are in violation of this Vatican document:

On the Current Norms Governing Exorcisms

 

[Angels_Unaware]

I have never criticized the Catholic understanding of possession, its exorcists or their methods. In fact, I support the work they are doing. What I do criticize is your lack of understanding and your groups’ exclusive claim to knowing it all. And of course, you don’t want to hear it, but Fr. Martin speaks about the very thing I have talked about.

MW, I think you’re very interesting.

You know… I think we miss (in this culture) the true value of submission to authority. It’s salvific. It’s a remedy and protection. There is spiritual benefit in submitting to the authority of Holy Mother Church. Even when you know something that someone else doesn’t.

Have you read Interior Castles? Teresa of Avila went to her confessor and told him of her visions of Jesus. Teresa’s male confessors were unhelpful to her in every possible way. Once, she was told to make a profane sign when the vision of Jesus appeared to her.

Even though she knew that her confessor was wrong, she obeyed, though apologizing. Jesus spoke to her, and told her that she was right to obey her confessor.

The point… sometimes we just give reverence to our earthly authorities as we would God out of a sense of deep humility and a desire to be obedient. We give over to God the path that we are on, trusting that if we are obedient, He will have us do His will.

You’re quite brave. I’d never try to do what you’re doing on my own.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

MW, I think you’re very interesting.

Actually, in real life (outside of my side-work in exorcisms), I’m pretty boring

You know… I think we miss (in this culture) the true value of submission to authority. It’s salvific. It’s a remedy and protection. There is spiritual benefit in submitting to the authority of Holy Mother Church. Even when you know something that someone else doesn’t.

I admit that I have a rebellious streak, not against authority in general (I’m pretty obedient to my boss) but in regards to things that I believe to be true, regardless of what others think. I pray often for my faults.

Have you read Interior Castles? Teresa of Avila went to her confessor and told him of her visions of Jesus. Teresa’s male confessors were unhelpful to her in every possible way. Once, she was told to make a profane sign when the vision of Jesus appeared to her.

No, I haven’t. Interesting.

Even though she knew that her confessor was wrong, she obeyed, though apologizing. Jesus spoke to her, and told her that she was right to obey her confessor.

Interesting story. There must be more to the story. I’d like to read up on it.

The point… sometimes we just give reverence to our earthly authorities as we would God out of a sense of deep humility and a desire to be obedient. We give over to God the path that we are on, trusting that if we are obedient, He will have us do His will.

Yes, we submit, whether or not we agree. My boss is a good example He says and does some pretty stupid things, but if he tells me to do something I do it. It’s my job. I try to do God’s will, but admit that I fail at times. But then He picks me up, dusts me off and gives me a swift kick in the rear.

You’re quite brave. I’d never try to do what you’re doing on my own.

Oh, it’s not bravery. It’s done out of necessity. St. Michael the Archangel, St. Raphael and St. Gabriel have my back whenever I call upon them. They are wonderful servants of God. I’m never alone.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

I admit that I have a rebellious streak, not against authority in general (I’m pretty obedient to my boss) but in regards to things that I believe to be true, regardless of what others think. I pray often for my faults.

Yes, but I think you can be part of the Catholic Church knowing what you know. Have you heard of Cure D’ars? He was gifted in some of the same ways that you are. He is a Catholic saint who is incorrupt.

The question is not, “does the Catholic Church know and understand everything about the non-material world that I know and understand”, but, does it teach the most truth, without leading people into error? Is there a better Church? Is there a higher authority than Jesus?

I hate to see anyone separated if they desire to be in full communion with the Church, but I read another thread where you gave your reasons for not converting, and I understand. Family harmony is a very good reason.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Yes, but I think you can be part of the Catholic Church knowing what you know. Have you heard of Cure D’ars? He was gifted in some of the same ways that you are. He is a Catholic saint who is incorrupt.

I’ve read a lot and tried to learn as much as possible about the Church. When I went to see the pastor of the local parish he was taken aback that I actually studied the faith before wanting to get into it. He usually gets reluctant spouses who want to go to RCIA.

The question is not, “does the Catholic Church know and understand everything about the non-material world that I know and understand”, but, does it teach the most truth, without leading people into error? Is there a better Church? Is there a higher authority than Jesus?

I actually believe there is no better Church than the Catholic Church. And I believe it teaches the most truth. Getting into it is complex.

I hate to see anyone separated if they desire to be in full communion with the Church, but I read another thread where you gave your reasons for not converting, and I understand. Family harmony is a very good reason.

Family strife was the biggest reason I delayed. But, she is much more open to the faith and has even told me that she regretted giving me such a difficult time back then. Slowly, very slowly she is coming around. I want all of us to enter the Church. That’s my dream. Thank you for your concern.

God bless.

 

[jen_fla]

I’ve read a lot and tried to learn as much as possible about the Church. When I went to see the pastor of the local parish he was taken aback that I actually studied the faith before wanting to get into it. He usually gets reluctant spouses who want to go to RCIA.

I actually believe there is no better Church than the Catholic Church. And I believe it teaches the most truth. Getting into it is complex.

Family strife was the biggest reason I delayed. But, she is much more open to the faith and has even told me that she regretted giving me such a difficult time back then. Slowly, very slowly she is coming around. I want all of us to enter the Church. That’s my dream. Thank you for your concern.

God bless.

praying for you and your family, mw!