Tax us more, say wealthy Europeans

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jomoco said:
That we speak english, rather than german in this country as our primary language.

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By that measurement the economic policies of the Iraq war were a stunning success – much more so than WW2’s policies.
 
CMatt25 said:
Who? Mitt Romney as well as many others in the Republican Party, the party supported by the vast majority of members of this forum.

bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-06/romney-set-to-outline-job-plan-ahead-of-obama-speech-to-congress.html

examiner.com/economic-policy-in-national/republican-candidates-proposed-tax-cuts-would-bankrupt-u-s

thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/03/16/151008/gop-state-corporate-tax-cuts/

But it’s good to know this is not the direction the country will take.
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The “vast majority?”. Possibly you could do a poll on that to know whether it’s the vast majority or not.

But in one sense it might be so. It isn’t just federal income taxes people are concerned about. State and local taxes are added to that, so if you add it all together, people are paying an awful lot for governance. But it isn’t just that either. If, at the various levels of government, the authorities actually lived on what was paid, I suspect there would not be all that many who have a problem with the current levels of taxation. I think what’s unsettling to so many, and to me as well, is that governments do not. They overspend, often on things about which we know nothing, and then want us to pay for it. And we pay for it even when they borrow the money; in terms of inflation, interest rates, and loss of jobs overseas.

It isn’t just taxes that upset folks. It’s the whole lack of responsibility in government, for which so many have only one answer to the public: Pay more, and don’t argue with what we do with it, and by the way, we’re borrowing money in your name as we see fit.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The “vast majority?”. Possibly you could do a poll on that to know whether it’s the vast majority or not.

But in one sense it might be so. It isn’t just federal income taxes people are concerned about. State and local taxes are added to that, so if you add it all together, people are paying an awful lot for governance. But it isn’t just that either. If, at the various levels of government, the authorities actually lived on what was paid, I suspect there would not be all that many who have a problem with the current levels of taxation. I think what’s unsettling to so many, and to me as well, is that governments do not. They overspend, often on things about which we know nothing, and then want us to pay for it. And we pay for it even when they borrow the money; in terms of inflation, interest rates, and loss of jobs overseas.

It isn’t just taxes that upset folks. It’s the whole lack of responsibility in government, for which so many have only one answer to the public: Pay more, and don’t argue with what we do with it, and by the way, we’re borrowing money in your name as we see fit.
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People are pay roughly 50% of their earning income for very little in perceived value.
 
rlg94086 said:
You really ought to see someone about your tea party obsession. It’s not healthy.
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Thanks for bumping my bruce bartlett link from forbes to the top page Rig.

Education is the very best cure for tea party short-comings.

jomoco:)
 
jomoco said:
I gather that you’re a tea party supporter friend?

My sympathies go out to both you, and my other fellow Americans who subscribe to their historically ignorant doctrines.

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So you have nothing to support your claim?

Why would you assume that I’m a tea party supporter just because you are wrong?
 
jomoco said:
Thanks for bumping my bruce bartlett link from forbes to the top page Rig.

Education is the very best cure for tea party short-comings.

jomoco:)
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Your welcome. His column is deriding the responses of people in a crowd who were not gasp as well versed in tax policy as he is. This would happen with any crowd. I haven’t read anything by Bruce Bartlett prior to this. If this is an example of his work, he is just playing politics. I’m unimpressed.
 
rlg94086 said:
Your welcome. His column is deriding the responses of people in a crowd who were not gasp as well versed in tax policy as he is. This would happen with any crowd. I haven’t read anything by Bruce Bartlett prior to this. If this is an example of his work, he is just playing politics. I’m unimpressed.
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As are the majority of Americans who actually know their history, with the tea party.

The tea party’s mantra of reducing taxes and regulations to pay for war, or balance budgets has no precedent of success in our history as a nation. The Europeans know it as well as most educated Americans.

The tea party can chant their delusions till the cows come home, but it won’t make their mistaken beliefs one whit truer in terms of historic facts.

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
As are the majority of Americans who actually know their history, with the tea party.
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My guess is that the “Americans who actually know their history” are dispersed throughout various political movements.
jomoco said:
The tea party’s mantra of reducing taxes and regulations to pay for war, or balance budgets has no precedent of success in our history as a nation. The Europeans know it as well as most educated Americans.
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Is that their mantra? I’ve never heard that voiced. As I’ve presented to you more than once, the cost of both the Iraq and Afghanistan war only represent less than 1/7 of the increase in our national debt. Your emphasis on funding the war doesn’t make any sense.
jomoco said:
The tea party can chant their delusions till the cows come home, but it won’t make their mistaken beliefs one whit truer in terms of historic facts.

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No cows were harmed in the posting of this message. However, one ox may have been gored.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The “vast majority?”. Possibly you could do a poll on that to know whether it’s the vast majority or not.
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Been done. I’d say over 3/4 supporting former or current Republican Party candidates for POTUS, or Sarah Palin, represents quite a vast majority. And this poll doesn’t even include Michelle Bachman nor current popular Republican Tea Party flavor of the day, Rick Perry. 🤷

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=568023&page=68&highlight=poll+for+president
 
rlg94086 said:
Is that their mantra? I’ve never heard that voiced. As I’ve presented to you more than once, the cost of both the Iraq and Afghanistan war only represent less than 1/7 of the increase in our national debt. Your emphasis on funding the war doesn’t make any sense.
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There must be a reason it’s numero uno on their agenda.

teaparty-platform.com/

jomoco
 
rlg94086 said:
Thanks. I didn’t know they had a platform page. I agree with much, though not all, of it. I didn’t see anything about cutting taxes and regulations to pay for war though. Maybe I missed it. 🤷
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The question is "Who are “they”. There is not a singular Tea Party and just because it was found on the world wide web doesn’t mean it represents anyone’s view other than the person posting - and sometimes not even then.
 
CMatt25 said:
Been done. I’d say over 3/4 supporting former or current Republican Party candidates for POTUS, or Sarah Palin, represents quite a vast majority. And this poll doesn’t even include Michelle Bachman nor current popular Republican Tea Party flavor of the day, Rick Perry. 🤷

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=568023&page=68&highlight=poll+for+president
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Possibly 3/4 here support “former or current” (???) Republican candidates for President. That does not mean that 3/4 (or a “vast majority” for that matter) are pressing for cuts in the current federal income tax rates. I suspect the resistance many (probably the majority of Americans) have to INCREASES in taxes is motivated not simply because of the rates themselves, but as seen in combination with other taxes and overspending by government entities at all levels.
 
rlg94086 said:
Thanks. I didn’t know they had a platform page. I agree with much, though not all, of it. I didn’t see anything about cutting taxes and regulations to pay for war though. Maybe I missed it. 🤷
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Are you insinuating that tea partiers believe we are not at war now?

That our soldiers aren’t dying?

That their whole platform does not pertain to our current wars and troops abroad?

The facts are that we are at war right now. But tea partiers don’t seem to think that should change their mantra of lower taxes and regulations right now.

This firmly ties the tea party to the neo-conservatives of 03, who set the American precedent of lowering taxes during war time as a means of paying for them.

A toxic blend of beliefs whose outcome is an objective doubling of our natbl debt since it was enacted in 03.

jomoco
 
SamH said:
The question is "Who are “they”. There is not a singular Tea Party and just because it was found on the world wide web doesn’t mean it represents anyone’s view other than the person posting - and sometimes not even then.
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Good point. 👍
 
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