Taylor Marshall Asks Pope Francis whether he, Pope Francis, is a Heretic!

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It was a honest question. I think the wording they use is pretty ambiguous. I don’t know them well but I doubt they are in full Communion with the Church (in fact most traditionalists prefer to join instead the fully Church approved SSFP).
 
aroosi said:
It was a honest question. I think the wording they use is pretty ambiguous. I don’t know them well but I doubt they are in full Communion with the Church (in fact most traditionalists prefer to join instead the fully Church approved SSFP).
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I’m sorry! I didn’t realize you were really asking a question. The SSPX is in an “irregular” canonical situation but it isn’t in schism and it does recognize Francis as pope.
 
Says native people who incensed it, bowed to it and put black ring on Pope Francis’ finger before the ceremony
 
As I said answering to an other poster I am confused by the wording they use. They seem to condemn sedevacantism but at the same time are casting a shadow of doubt on the last few Popes.
 
aroosi said:
As I said answering to an other poster I am confused by the wording they use. They seem to condemn sedevacantism but at the same time are casting a shadow of doubt on the last few Popes.
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I think maybe the confusion comes when the SSPX on that page of its site summarizes the sedevacantist position before claiming it’s invalid?
 
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As I said answering to an other poster I am confused by the wording they use. They seem to condemn sedevacantism but at the same time are casting a shadow of doubt on the last few Popes.
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I understand.

There are things of the last 3 popes they do not agree with after Vatican II but definitely recognize the Popes and are not sedevacantists.
 
Ceremony, posture, a ring — those are disciplines. You are making assumptions based on European disciplines familiar to you. I wonder how the Amazonian people understand their disciplines. Did anyone outside the Vatican think to ask?
 
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Ceremony, posture, a ring — those are disciplines.
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It doesn’t take dogma to know not to bow to a statue or put it in a church. Pope Francis is not from the Amazon. He’s the Pope of a Church where bowing has specific connotations.

Idols do not deserve an action used towards the altar where the sacrifice of the Mass takes place.
 
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Will do. No need to abandoned. the Church will survive. It will because Jesus promised us it would, and I’m thinking our prayers for the Church are a big reason why. As much as this Pope gives me the vapors, I still pray for him whilst recalling my own shortcomings.
 
Herein lies the problem though. If we don’t speak up to our leaders when they are obviously making a mistake ( like Israel did in the Book of Ezekiel) God will just end up punishing us like he did Israel in the Book of Ezekiel. Enabling people in idolatry is a grave sin.

The pope himself even called those Idols Idols of Mother Earth “pachamama”. It’s a thousand percent different then statues of the Saints. For starters the Saints to actually hear us in heaven, the Saints can pray for us, the earth can do none of those things because the earth is not alive.
 
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Seriously, I think Dr Marshall is not in the priority list of Pope Francis. In the world there are over one billion Catholics and much bigger problems than a ‘supposed’ idol in a minute of an over one hour long video of a ceremony in the Vatican gardens. The hysteria about ‘the idol’ is mostly in US, in the rest of the world most people trust the Pope intentions and don’t consider him a potential ‘heretic’.
 
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I am very doubtful Francis is a heretic. What seems virtually beyond dispute at this point, however, is that he’s a quite bad communicator.
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Beyond dispute? No. I respectfully dispute that. I think his communication is clear and true, but tends to get muddled by certain media personalities.
 
I disqgree with you. People bowing before an idol of creation should be concerning for anyone that loves their neighbor. There is a reason why the Church for thousands of years has never encouraged anyone to bow to an idol that represents the earth. Saints have a history of destroying said idols.

Africa, Germany, the Philippines and many other nations were converted rather quickly because the church did not tolerate or encourage it. Yet in the modern era, the Amazon is having a vocations crisis and coincidentally the people of the Amazon are being encouraged to stay in their idolatry.
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A Christian man tasked with freeing the Amazonians from their idolatry, but abandons it and enables them.

And I unfortunately agree, Dr. Marshall is not a priority, just like the dubia cardinals, Archbishop Vigano, and Bishop Schneider and the concerns they raised isn’t a priority for the Pope either.
 
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