Tea Party Activists Tell Republicans to Avoid Abortion

[etspiri2sanctus]

What I have heard is that a small group of leftist homosexual folks (10-20) wrote a letter asking the GOP to leave social issues out of topics. (Source??) Then I read that a larger group of Conservative Tea Party members wrote a letter saying they are asking for no such thing.

As you can see, the media quickly picked up the first bit of news, spread it around, caused consternation to already confused individuals, but then the second larger grou (about 100) tried to stomp out the fire created.

Now, it seems to me as none of the Tea Party Acitivist groups have a “National” leader, President, or are one organization, neither of the above groups have a saucer to stand on. Although I would prefer that the second group have some leverage with Congress, but they don’t, other than the leverage any US citizen would have in writing to Congress.

As usual our wonderful media have over exposed “nothing”.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I haven’t posted anything in a long time, but this asinine statement made my blood boil.

The Tea Party is what saved the Republican party from becoming Democrat-Lite. My wife and I are politcal activists. Abortion was not shied away from in any discussion, and Glenn Beck’s rally at the mall (we were there) showcased some of America’s most outspoken Pro-Life activists, like Dr. Alveda King (the niece of Dr. MLK). I watched November 2nd as our Congressional candidate lost by less than 1,000 votes to a pro-choice incumbent. Keith Fimian has never been a politician. Catholic and Pro-Life (his brother is a priest in our diocese), this businessman was everything we wanted, yet many Catholics actually hid under the excuse that Republicans want to eliminate seniors’ programs.

Democrats are the one’s forever trying to expand abortion. Republican are the one’s who filibuster attempts to do so. Republicans are the one’s who watch their laws restricting abortions get blocked by judges appointed by Democrats before the ink from the signature is even dry. Catholics who vote against pro-life candidates by claiming they are not pro-life are guilty of grave scandal and will have much to answer for. I, for one, will not shy away from calling them what they are…

…liars. Liars with their own self-interests at heart.

Not all Republicans are Pro-Life. Not all Democrats are Pro-Choice, but when you want results, it’s easy to see where the efforts are being made. Even Bart Stupak caved-in when crunch time came and it was time to make a decision. Pro-Choice Republicans lost allover in their primaries.

The Tea Party is about the economy. They are not a united, autonomous group. One statement issued by one chapter does not speak for all of them. However, if they want to cut government funding and abortion gets cut with it, then they have my support. Actual restrictions will never happen with President Obama, short of a miracle. Any attempt to do so is a waste of taxpayer time and money. In the meanwhile, prayer is the best tactic.

I wiil definitely pray for restrictions to happen.

 

[etspiri2sanctus]

It would never get to the senate because the house will be controlled by the republicans and they won’t introduce anything like that since they are giving notice to the pro-lifers to be quiet until the next election cycle.

Its clear that the republicans don’t want to do anything to help the country until they dispose of Obama. So don’t hold your breath about any abortion issues, unless it concerns lower taxes for the rich abortion doctors.

Peace

Okay, let’s get this straight. It’s the GOP who want to sidestep the Social issues of abortion, euthanasia etc.??? Did they say that? I thought Majority Leader John Boehner said one of the major issues they were going to fight was Obamacare AFTER they work on economics.

Also, one group of Teapartiers cannot speak for all Teapartiers as they have no "official’, or elected leader/President of all Teaparty groups. The ones who spoke out against including life isues in battles to be fought was a very small group of gay leftists. Another group of Tea Party Members, again not so big a group, (100?) sent a letter stating they in no way supported the first group. So when we hear Teapartiers said this, or didn’t say this, check the source, the liberal media.

 

[Tigg]

Since when does the Tea Party Movement identify with one spokesperson? In my state last month there were at least half a dozen “Tea Party” groups who couldn’t even agree among themselves who to support for governor. Republicans WISH they could capture the momentum and take credit for what represents a true grassroots movement, but they can’t. Several have tried and failed. And since the days of George Bush, not so many are fooled into still believing that conservatives and Republicans are the same! Conservatives are still generally across the board pro-life; Repubs??? I have my doubts!

:tsktsk::tsktsk:

 

[Seeker2010]

Thank you for your votes,you can go home now, we will get you all riled up again in 2012. In the meantime, just send us some money and rest.

What do you want them to do?

Like it or not, SCOTUS has found abortion to be a constitutional right. That means that there are only two ways for them to ever be criminalized. One, they could overrule themselves. Which I find unlikely in the extreme, and I’m not aware of any case working it’s way in their direction that’s even remotely on point.

Otherwise, a constitutional amendment is required. Which is of course hypothetically possible. All you’d have to do is get 2/3’s of both the house and senate to agree upon, and then half of the states. You’d stand a better chance of catching a bullet with your teeth.

They’re right, they need to steer clear of pretty much all social issues and concentrate on getting the economy fixed.

 

[A_Fortiori_33]

Actually they are probably on the way to the Caribbean to soak up some sun before figuring out how to make the middle class on the right feel even more indignant about letting tax cuts for the rich expire.

They are after all pragmatic and don’t really give a hoot about abortion, as a matter of fact they don’t want it ever outlawed or they will have to figure out some other way to get votes from the mushroom constituency . They never want this to be a states rights issue because they will then lose their grip on the national electorate.

They don’t even have to really do any work to get the anti-abortion votes and they don’t have to show any results either.

Peace

Judging from history, you are right. It’s a get out the vote issue only. I am prolife but I’m not getting suckered in to voting for any goof ball who says he or she is prolife.

 

[A_Fortiori_33]

What do you want them to do?

Like it or not, SCOTUS has found abortion to be a constitutional right. That means that there are only two ways for them to ever be criminalized. One, they could overrule themselves. Which I find unlikely in the extreme, and I’m not aware of any case working it’s way in their direction that’s even remotely on point.

Otherwise, a constitutional amendment is required. Which is of course hypothetically possible. All you’d have to do is get 2/3’s of both the house and senate to agree upon, and then half of the states. You’d stand a better chance of catching a bullet with your teeth.

They’re right, they need to steer clear of pretty much all social issues and concentrate on getting the economy fixed.

For years I’ve been reading this forum and every issue is about abortion. Now you are changing your minds because of political reasons. That is truly pathetic.

 

[A_Fortiori_33]

Okay, let’s get this straight. It’s the GOP who want to sidestep the Social issues of abortion, euthanasia etc.??? Did they say that? I thought Majority Leader John Boehner said one of the major issues they were going to fight was Obamacare AFTER they work on economics.

Also, one group of Teapartiers cannot speak for all Teapartiers as they have no "official’, or elected leader/President of all Teaparty groups. The ones who spoke out against including life isues in battles to be fought was a very small group of gay leftists. Another group of Tea Party Members, again not so big a group, (100?) sent a letter stating they in no way supported the first group. So when we hear Teapartiers said this, or didn’t say this, check the source, the liberal media.

Now you know what it’s like to be a democrat. Welcome to my world.

 

[Seeker2010]

For years I’ve been reading this forum and every issue is about abortion. Now you are changing your minds because of political reasons. That is truly pathetic.

Whoa, whoa there big fella’*. I’m not one of ‘them’. From what I know of devout catholics abortion is, and always will be, political issue numero uno. Nonetheless, what I said is absolutely correct.

• Meant tongue in cheek, no idea if you are big, or a fella.

 

[Spirithound]

Anything connected to abortion would get killed in the Senate or vetoed by the president, so what would be the point of doing it?

Although I think the GOP in the Senate are in filibuster range…
What would it take to overturn Obamacare? Would the overturning be subject to a presidential veto?

 

[A_Fortiori_33]

Whoa, whoa there big fella’*. I’m not one of ‘them’. From what I know of devout catholics abortion is, and always will be, political issue numero uno. Nonetheless, what I said is absolutely correct.

• Meant tongue in cheek, no idea if you are big, or a fella.

Are you sayiing that the ecomomy is a more important issue than abortion?

 

[Seeker2010]

Are you sayiing that the ecomomy is a more important issue than abortion?

To me, absolutely.

However, I am not catholic and I do not believe that 5 minutes after sperm meets egg that a human being exists.

Regardless, even if you (or others) feel stopping abortion is the most critical political agenda item, what do you propose be done? As I pointed out in my original post on this topic, banning them will almost certainly require a constitutional amendment, and as a practical matter, that just isn’t going to happen.

So now what?

 

[A_Fortiori_33]

To me, absolutely.

However, I am not catholic and I do not believe that 5 minutes after sperm meets egg that a human being exists.

Regardless, even if you (or others) feel stopping abortion is the most critical political agenda item, what do you propose be done? As I pointed out in my original post on this topic, banning them will almost certainly require a constitutional amendment, and as a practical matter, that just isn’t going to happen.

So now what?

I’m not arguing with you. I realized a long time ago that abortion is not a issue that is going to go away any time soon. I’m surprised at the number of Catholics that pontificate about abortion, but will deny these woman healthcare.If the child is born with handicaps, well T.S. Elliot Pardon my literary pun. Given that the woman has the child, they decry the number of fatherless households and refuse help there. It’s hypocrisy at it’s best.

 

[ProVobis]

To me, absolutely.

However, I am not catholic and I do not believe that 5 minutes after sperm meets egg that a human being exists.

Regardless, even if you (or others) feel stopping abortion is the most critical political agenda item, what do you propose be done? As I pointed out in my original post on this topic, banning them will almost certainly require a constitutional amendment, and as a practical matter, that just isn’t going to happen.

So now what?

Exactly. Roe vs Wade was made law of the land by a Republican-appointed Supreme Court in 1973 and since then has been subject to checks and balances from not only the parties but between the Senate, House, President, and Supreme Court. How they could get an Amendment to the Constitution going is beyond reality. The only hope I can see if someone can challenge the 1973 ruling as a tenth amendment violation but I can’t see that happening soon either.