Tea party wins in northeastern primaries could bode well for Democrats

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I have to keep myself from laughing when I hear folks say Obama has been “far far left” and oh so very radical. I question if he’s even governed all that left. He wouldn’t have taken single payer off the table and he would have at the very least pushed for and demanded a public option if he was far left. Let alone far far. Hasn’t ignored my will other than as a result he perhaps hasn’t been far enough left. Godspeed our President hopefully to wield the veto pen in the next 2 yrs to give Americans time to see exactly what the Tea Party crowd is up to.

God bless and peace.
Knock yourself out, Matt. But some of us are intuitive enough to see that the final outcome of the healthcare monstrosity, if allowed to come to fruition will result in single payer. Obama knows that. You seem confident in your far left position, but just know that you are out of step with the majority of the country. Have a nice day.🙂
 
Obama is on record as favoring single payer.
No actually Obama has said if we were starting from scratch he might still say single payer but he has frequently stated we aren’t starting from scratch. But you can have it your way. No one is changing any minds here on CAF it appears.
 
Knock yourself out, Matt. But some of us are intuitive enough to see that the final outcome of the healthcare monstrosity, if allowed to come to fruition will result in single payer. Obama knows that. You seem confident in your far left position, but just know that you are out of step with the majority of the country. Have a nice day.🙂
Mary, oh I know I lament daily why we can’t have a lefty TP movement on my side yet! But you too! 🙂 Peace.
 
No actually Obama has said if we were starting from scratch he might still say single payer but he has frequently stated we aren’t starting from scratch. But you can have it your way. No one is changing any minds here on CAF it appears.
Quick tip: Stop listening to what Obama says and actually look at the policies he signed into law. When PPACA is fully implemented in 2014, the insurance industry will function as a regulated utility. As a regulated utility, the government will set the levels of coverage and service. It will set the prices for premiums and medical reimbursements. The government will also socialize risk and pass those costs to the young and healthy. Now, there maybe several insurance companies still in existence (surviving only through the insurance mandate and annual subsidies to obligated customers). But make no mistake, the federal government will be everyone’s insurer.

When Congress decides it can no longer afford annual subsidies to prop up health insurers and healthcare providers, you’ll get your public option. I prefer to call it the British healthcare system.

Matt, you got everything you wanted. Just open your eyes to the (sour) fruits of this President.
 
Quick tip: Stop listening to what Obama says and actually look at the policies he signed into law. When PPACA is fully implemented in 2014, the insurance industry will function as a regulated utility. As a regulated utility, the government will set the levels of coverage and service. It will set the prices for premiums and medical reimbursements. The government will also socialize risk and pass those costs to the young and healthy. Now, there maybe several insurance companies still in existence (surviving only through the insurance mandate and annual subsidies to obligated customers). But make no mistake, the federal government will be everyone’s insurer.

When Congress decides it can no longer afford annual subsidies to prop up health insurers and healthcare providers, you’ll get your public option. I prefer to call it the British healthcare system.

Matt, you got everything you wanted. Just open your eyes to the (sour) fruits of this President.
I doubt it when the Tea Party takes over Congress. But I did get what I wanted today. He nailed the empty rhetoric of the Tea Party! :extrahappy:

Tax cuts to the top 3% went unpaid for. 2 wars not paid for. Before he even stepped foot into the oval office.

It’s not enough to just go around crying spending. Come out and say what are you going to do? Cut veterans benefits? Social Security? Medicare? Or what taxes are you willing to increase? He pointed out the federal govt is actually less intrusive than yrs gone by. Tax rates are less than under Eisenhower and Reagan. And we all want services. Are you going to cut health regulation of the food industry for instance?

Get real Tea Party!
 
I doubt it when the Tea Party takes over Congress. But I did get what I wanted today. He nailed the empty rhetoric of the Tea Party! :extrahappy:

Tax cuts to the top 3% went unpaid for. 2 wars not paid for. Before he even stepped foot into the oval office.

It’s not enough to just go around crying spending. Come out and say what are you going to do? Cut veterans benefits? Social Security? Medicare? Or what taxes are you willing to increase? He pointed out the federal govt is actually less intrusive than yrs gone by. Tax rates are less than under Eisenhower and Reagan. And we all want services. Are you going to cut health regulation of the food industry for instance?

Get real Tea Party!
Empty rhetoric?? Far be it from me to take away your bliss…

The party is Republican. Please address us by the correct name.
 
Empty rhetoric?? Far be it from me to take away your bliss…

The party is Republican. Please address us by the correct name.
Aw shucks I knew that! I thought they were one in the same. :doh2: Thanks for the reminder though, Ocean! 😛
 
Obama is laying the groundwork to destroy the nation to incite a Communist Revolution?:confused:
I didn’t say that, now did I.

I said that Lenin put the strategy more succinctly than has anyone else (that I know of). Four words is a pretty succinct statement of a fairly complex notion. It is sometimes deemed a good political strategy to allow (or cause) a societal situation to get worse, in the belief that people will then accept ever more radical solutions as it does, indeed, get worse. Rahm Emanuel’s “never let a crisis go to waste” can be understood as a succinct corollary of the same idea.

It is unimaginable to me that this administration thought it had anything but a fundamental failure on its hands with the health insurance regulation bill that actually got passed. Obama didn’t want what ended up happening, though in a way he did get the “public option” for more people by adding to the Medicaid rolls. The “public option” is basically “Medicaid with deductibles”, so he succeeded in part. But since he wants the whole nation on what really amounts to Medicaid, the next best thing is to have a plan that can’t possibly work AND IS NOT THE ONE HE PUBLICLY SAID HE WANTED. So, when the current plan fails, he can call for what he wanted all the time. And, because people will undoubtedly hate what the current plan produces, and probably at all levels, he’ll have a shot at getting it done. That’s why he attributed all the tweaking and deconstruction that went on in the Senate to the Republicans. They had nothing to do with it, but he wanted to denounce it later (and will) and wanted to implant in peoples’ minds that the disappointing end result was engineered by Republicans, not by his own party.

Therefore, “the worse, the better”. The potential flaw in the strategy, of course, is that people might just recoil from the whole notion of increased governmental involvement in healthcare and wish they were back in the “bad old days” when virtually everybody had health insurance if they cared to have it, had some choices, and at lower cost.

One can be a Leninist without being a communist. Communism is a system. Leninism is a political method. But it would be unfair to Obama not to attribute him with revolutionary ideas. He has made it pretty clear that he wants to revamp society in pretty significant ways. I don’t personally call them communist, and never have. For one thing, Obama is not the enemy of the rich. Far from it.

But I will say that, when it comes to radically changing a society, Lenin was far better at it than is Obama.
 
I have to keep myself from laughing when I hear folks say Obama has been “far far left” and oh so very radical.
It is rather amusing to deal with simple-minded people who have the temerity to disagree with a President who, when his resume was at apogee, was a “community organizer”.
 
It is rather amusing to deal with simple-minded people who have the temerity to disagree with a President who, when his resume was at apogee, was a “community organizer”.
Maybe you should consider the president’s career after he was an academic star in law school. Perhaps that was more of an apogee then his low-paying job helping poor people after graduating from an Ivy League college.
 
Maybe you should consider the president’s career after he was an academic star in law school. Perhaps that was more of an apogee then his low-paying job helping poor people after graduating from an Ivy League college.
Academic stars are a dime a dozen and are excruciatingly useless if they can’t improve people’s lives in ways that stand the test of time. Merely transferring money from one group to another is tantamount to burning your hardwood floors in the woodstove and then bragging about how good you are at heating your house.

Do we really have to make a list of political “academic stars” in history and discuss their affects on the world?
 
Academic stars are a dime a dozen and are excruciatingly useless if they can’t improve people’s lives in ways that stand the test of time. ** Merely transferring money from one group to another is tantamount to burning your hardwood floors in the woodstove and then bragging about how good you are at heating your house.**

Do we really have to make a list of political “academic stars” in history and discuss their affects on the world?
OMG, I almost fell out of the floor laughing.
 
IIt is sometimes deemed a good political strategy to allow (or cause) a societal situation to get worse, in the belief that people will then accept ever more radical solutions as it does, indeed, get worse.
Only among revolutionaries.
Rahm Emanuel’s “never let a crisis go to waste” can be understood as a succinct corollary of the same idea.
I don’t see how. Emanuel was stating that the crisis is a chance to reevaulate and make needed changes. My mechanic might suggest additional maintenance after my car breaks down, since he’s poking under the hood anyway. That doesn’t mean he wants me to total my car. Lenin was referring to someone else totalling the car.
It is unimaginable to me that this administration thought it had anything but a fundamental failure on its hands with the health insurance regulation bill that actually got passed.
Well, that settles it. You think it’s a failure, so Obama must think it’s a failure. Because you think it’s a failure, Obama must be praying for failure. Not just Obama, but Reid, Pelosi, and everyone else who voted for the bill. They must be trying to break the system and cause the American people untold misery. And the proof is that you think it’s a bad bill.
 
I don’t see how. Emanuel was stating that the crisis is a chance to reevaulate and make needed changes. My mechanic might suggest additional maintenance after my car breaks down, since he’s poking under the hood anyway. That doesn’t mean he wants me to total my car. Lenin was referring to someone else totalling the car.
No, Emanuel was talking about how a crisis opens policy windows that are usually closed during normal times. The statement was very telling and, in my experience, 100% correct.
 
Empty rhetoric?? Far be it from me to take away your bliss…

The party is Republican. Please address us by the correct name.
Is the tea party Republican? Oh and by the way…It’s the Democratic Party not the Democrat Party as so many rudimentary readers say.
 
Well, that settles it. You think it’s a failure, so Obama must think it’s a failure. Because you think it’s a failure, Obama must be praying for failure. Not just Obama, but Reid, Pelosi, and everyone else who voted for the bill. They must be trying to break the system and cause the American people untold misery. And the proof is that you think it’s a bad bill.
I’d be willing to bet Obama hasn’t even sat down and read the bill. He doesn’t have a clue on whether it will fail or not. Neither does Reid, Pelosi or any other liberals that voted for it but never read it.
 
Is the tea party Republican? Oh and by the way…It’s the Democratic Party not the Democrat Party as so many rudimentary readers say.
Well, Matt was saying “when the Tea Party takes over Congress…”

I don’t think I’ve ever left out the “ic’” on CAF.
 
Maybe you should consider the president’s career after he was an academic star in law school. Perhaps that was more of an apogee then his low-paying job helping poor people after graduating from an Ivy League college.
Not that it really matters, but that doesn’t entirely describe his situation. Aside from the fact that nobody knows whether he was really an “academic star” in law school or not, (grades and courses not available) he didn’t work as a community organizer after law school for any significant time, if at all. He did work as the director of a largely Church funded organization for three years before law school and was an instructor at another organization at the same time.

He graduated from law school in 1991 and went to work for a law firm in 1992, also teaching at University of Chicago. During his “community organizer” and student period, he did manage to afford a three week trip to Europe and a five week trip to Africa.

His fortunes did improve when he was elected to the state senate in 1997. His wife was hired by a medical complex that created a new job for her at that point and paid her $120,000/year. But then, he got state money channeled to her employer and they raised her to $317,000/year as a third-year employee. As soon as she left for Washington with him, the employer terminated the position entirely.

Well, and there was a book deal in there, and the house deal with Rezko.

So, he wasn’t on “poverty row” very long, if he ever was.
 
Academic stars are a dime a dozen and are excruciatingly useless if they can’t improve people’s lives in ways that stand the test of time. Merely transferring money from one group to another is tantamount to burning your hardwood floors in the woodstove and then bragging about how good you are at heating your house.

Do we really have to make a list of political “academic stars” in history and discuss their affects on the world?
I can think of one Republican. Not more than one, though.
 
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