Tea party wins in northeastern primaries could bode well for Democrats

[mary_bobo]

UT’s candidate is too? Candidate Sharon Angle in NV has advocated turning to guns in armed insurrection as well if elections don’t go her way. Let us pray. Indeed God help and protect us all :grouphug: from such thinking. Peace.

Where in the world did you come up with that idea? Must you people add your own spin to what Angle actually said, and it was not that.

 

[irishpatrick]

I never demanded anything.

I am saying the people are demanding that, and we are witness to this through conservative democrats and republicans alike coming togethor through the tea party.

I live in a right wing state, and I want it to stay that way. If it ever changes I want to move to another right wing state. As it is now, we are being crushed under the pressure of a left wing government and being told that we are stupid little people without an ivy league education so we must do as they say.

Oklahoma means nothing if it can not be Oklahoma. And if the northeastern states want to continue down the road they are on, fine…elect small government politicians to federal government and leave us alone. In the mean time elect liberal politicians to the state and destroy your state.

As much as I hated it, this nation voted the left into office. That is democracy in action.

 

[tomarin]

Oklahoma means nothing if it can not be Oklahoma. And if the northeastern states want to continue down the road they are on, fine…elect small government politicians to federal government and leave us alone. In the mean time elect liberal politicians to the state and destroy your state.

I just got back from a trip to Cape Cod in Massachusetts – very liberal and has been for a long time – and it didn’t seem too badly off. The people there seemed fairly well educated and to have a higher than average income and standard of living.

 

[bbarrick8383]

As much as I hated it, this nation voted the left into office. That is democracy in action.

I agree.

And now that they have gotten this reminder of what the democrats advocate now, they are getting rid of both parties and putting the republican party back in power, but with people THEY choose instead of the people the establishment chooses.

The establishment, like Rove, was up all night last night throwing a hissy fit. They thought they were going to get power back and do things the way they use to.

 

[irishpatrick]

I agree.

And now that they have gotten this reminder of what the democrats advocate now, they are getting rid of both parties and putting the republican party back in power, but with people THEY choose instead of the people the establishment chooses.

The establishment, like Rove, was up all night last night throwing a hissy fit. They thought they were going to get power back and do things the way they use to.

Personally, I detest the normal use of the word “establishment.” It reminds of a petulant child throwing a fit about his parents. Tea Party people will become the establishment…think about that…and they already show signs of a lust for power just like the current crew. They are already flipping their nose at the GOP, and they cannot win without them. Child like attitudes.

BTW, I believe that Rove and Bush are great men.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Wow. You know not what you speak of…not one single clue.

It is you who is clueless.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I just got back from a trip to Cape Cod in Massachusetts – very liberal and has been for a long time – and it didn’t seem too badly off. The people there seemed fairly well educated and to have a higher than average income and standard of living.

Yes, because Cape Cod is a valid comparison.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

The Tea Party is simply dividing conservatives, as I predicted many months ago. They are becoming quite brash and arrogant in their approach, with some saying they do NOT need the GOP establishment to win. All that will do is allow the Democrats to have an opening in November to retain just a few seats in Congress and maintain control. If the Dems keep Congress, this nation is cooked. We cannot survive another two years of the left controlling things.

It is amazing how blind people can be and for the sake of pride.

This is from early in the thread, but I felt I had to respond. Interesting.
Yet Mitch McConnell has already intimated that the GOP will support O’Donnell and other Tea Partiers.
They have seen the handwriting on the wall and they finally may have decided to hop on to the bandwagon. If the Tea Party is INDEED dividing conservatives, the GOP can remedy that by backing Tea Partiers with strong conservative convictions and “reclaiming” their heritage.
One may also thank Sarah Palin for this. Not bad for a dumb-as-dirt ditz who could see Russia from her front porch.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Yes, because Cape Cod is a valid comparison.

I’d like to see the statistics for Roxbury.

 

[irishpatrick]

This is from early in the thread, but I felt I had to respond. Interesting.
Yet Mitch McConnell has already intimated that the GOP will support O’Donnell and other Tea Partiers.
They have seen the handwriting on the wall and they finally may have decided to hop on to the bandwagon. If the Tea Party is INDEED dividing conservatives, the GOP can remedy that by backing Tea Partiers with strong conservative convictions and “reclaiming” their heritage.
One may also thank Sarah Palin for this. Not bad for a dumb-as-dirt ditz who could see Russia from her front porch.

The problem is there is very little room for social issues with most Tea Party candidates and voters. Things like abortion and marriage are not part of their planks…they care more about the economy and the constitution. That is a very real problem. On the other hand, Republicans in large measure care deeply about abortion and marriage, and yet they also care about the economy and the constitution.

Personally, I am not a fan of Sarah Palin’s. She lost me when she quit her office in Alaska. She talks a good game, but has no staying power and she clearly left her office to become filthy rich and famous, which she has done quite well. I see no difference between her and many other celebrities…all talk, no real sustance. Though I will grant that her talk is much better than those from the left…I would hate to see her in any office.

 

[irishpatrick]

It is you who is clueless.

You would rather see the entire nation fall apart (melt down) than not get your way. That, imo, is a clueless position because it involves hundreds of millions of lives. This is NOT a video game…it is real life, with real people, real souls, real salvation in the balance, real children and real homes. In your world view all of that should just “melt down” if you cannot get your way!

 

[bbarrick8383]

Personally, I detest the normal use of the word “establishment.” It reminds of a petulant child throwing a fit about his parents. Tea Party people will become the establishment…think about that…and they already show signs of a lust for power just like the current crew. They are already flipping their nose at the GOP, and they cannot win without them. Child like attitudes.

BTW, I believe that Rove and Bush are great men.

Well, that’s your opinion and your entitled to it.

I however disagree.

The tea party should be showing a lust for power, to take it away from, as you put it since you dont like the establishment the “current crew”.

Steele and the rest of the incumbents in the GOP can go fly a kite for all I care. They wouldnt know what a conservative was if it hit them in the face.

If the tea party became the establishment and they start acting like the old GOP then vote them out. What’s the difference?

 

[iamrefreshed]

You would rather see the entire nation fall apart (melt down) than not get your way. That, imo, is a clueless position because it involves hundreds of millions of lives. This is NOT a video game…it is real life, with real people, real souls, real salvation in the balance, real children and real homes. In your world view all of that should just “melt down” if you cannot get your way!

Are you always so melodramatic?

 

[Shiranui117]

You would rather see the entire nation fall apart (melt down) than not get your way. That, imo, is a clueless position because it involves hundreds of millions of lives. This is NOT a video game…it is real life, with real people, real souls, real salvation in the balance, real children and real homes. In your world view all of that should just “melt down” if you cannot get your way!

Thomas Jefferson stated that there should be a revolution every twenty years. What do you have to say about that?

They are not advocating a civil war on a comparative scale (controlling for population and technology) as with what we had in the 1860’s. They simply are stating that if this government is broke, then it’s stated pretty clearly in our own Declaration that:

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

That statement is as true today as it was back in 1776. If we have an oppressive government, then we have full rights to throw away the corrupt, broken system and institute one that will be effective and devoted to serving the people. John Locke may have been dead for centuries, but his ideas sure aren’t. We may not necessarily have to resort to war; a popular movement by the people that is united in finding a better way can and will work, as it has worked in the past. Did the change from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution involve much bloodshed? Of course not! So why should it now?

 

[ltravis]

The establishment candidate Ayotte was just declared winner of the NH Senate primary this afternoon, and despite a <2000 vote margin, the tea party backed candidate, Ovid Lamontagne, quickly and humbly conceded, did not seek a recount he was entitled to, and called for unity. Now, which faction is the divisive one??

 

[irishpatrick]

Well, that’s your opinion and your entitled to it.

I however disagree.

The tea party should be showing a lust for power, to take it away from, as you put it since you dont like the establishment the “current crew”.

Steele and the rest of the incumbents in the GOP can go fly a kite for all I care. They wouldnt know what a conservative was if it hit them in the face.

If the tea party became the establishment and they start acting like the old GOP then vote them out. What’s the difference?

I agree about Steele and several others, but most Republicans are true conservatives. You probably disagree, but you would be wrong if you do.

The truth is, most Tea Party candidates are conservatives regarding economics and the law (constitution), but they are also social moderates.

I believe, as a Catholic, the biggest threats to our nation is the attack on the family, the attack on life and the attack on marriage. A person who is a Tea Party candidate are typically moderate regarding those issues, which from a Catholic pov makes them only marginally better than Democrats. IMO.

 

[bbarrick8383]

The problem is there is very little room for social issues with most Tea Party candidates and voters. Things like abortion and marriage are not part of their planks…they care more about the economy and the constitution. That is a very real problem. On the other hand, Republicans in large measure care deeply about abortion and marriage, and yet they also care about the economy and the constitution.

Personally, I am not a fan of Sarah Palin’s. She lost me when she quit her office in Alaska. She talks a good game, but has no staying power and she clearly left her office to become filthy rich and famous, which she has done quite well. I see no difference between her and many other celebrities…all talk, no real sustance. Though I will grant that her talk is much better than those from the left…I would hate to see her in any office.

That is the agenda of the tea party, yes. Fiscal issues kind of created the movement.

But under the constitution, abortion would be left up to the states. A much better place than it is now.

As far as Palin goes, she seems to pack a punch in her her “all talk” that lacks sustance. She’s got quite a record from endorsing the right person.

I find it ironic that you argue against the tea party for not having room for social issues, yet you dis Palin one of the most pro-life politicians this country will ever know. Kind of hard to get a bearing on your “right wing” stance. You either have a personal agenda that would gain from the establishment staying the way it is, you fear the right wing change the tea party may bring, or you do not understand any of it. If you are right wing and you still call Palin a quitter, knowing the facts of her situation, I’m inclined to believe you just do not understand.

 

[estesbob]

I agree about Steele and several others, but most Republicans are true conservatives. You probably disagree, but you would be wrong if you do.

The truth is, most Tea Party candidates are conservatives regarding economics and the law (constitution), but they are also social moderates.

I believe, as a Catholic, the biggest threats to our nation is the attack on the family, the attack on life and the attack on marriage. A person who is a Tea Party candidate are typically moderate regarding those issues, which from a Catholic pov makes them only marginally better than Democrats. IMO.

ALL the tea party backed canidates for Senate are strongly pro-life.

 

[irishpatrick]

Thomas Jefferson stated that there should be a revolution every twenty years. What do you have to say about that?

They are not advocating a civil war on a comparative scale (controlling for population and technology) as with what we had in the 1860’s. They simply are stating that if this government is broke, then it’s stated pretty clearly in our own Declaration that:

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

That statement is as true today as it was back in 1776. If we have an oppressive government, then we have full rights to throw away the corrupt, broken system and institute one that will be effective and devoted to serving the people. John Locke may have been dead for centuries, but his ideas sure aren’t. We may not necessarily have to resort to war; a popular movement by the people that is united in finding a better way can and will work, as it has worked in the past. Did the change from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution involve much bloodshed? Of course not! So why should it now?

The problem is, and one you and other TP people ignore, is that the world is much different today. Nuclear weapons and the military and all its horrible offensive weapons are in the hands of the so-called establishment parties. They will not just leave office, they must be voted out in order to create real change. The problem I have is the Glen Beck’s of the world are rattling people’s minds to be actually thinking about doing a “reset” of the entire nation…yet that is simply not possible as it was 200 years ago. If we do a reset now, than some other nation will take us over…and quickly. One must deal with the facts of life as they are when they try to make change.

 

[irishpatrick]

ALL the tea party backed canidates for Senate are strongly pro-life.

If that is true, than they better say it more loudly because I have not heard one word from any of them that they plan to pursue a platform for life while in office. For all their so-called courage and change they seem to not be putting that out there and that is no different than we have had for three decades. Since they won’t say it, than I have no reason to believe they will do it.

John McCain also claimed to be prolife…I did not buy it from him either.

BTW, lest I am not clear, I pay a great deal of attention, so it is not like I am not listening.