Teaching evolution at a catholic school

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Yes. It was in the tens of thousands. Could you confirm that so people don’t waste their time?
Quote me exactly. And it matters not to whether natural selection and random mutations can do the job you claim. They cannot and this is what is most important. The gig is up, the top evo’s know it and re scrambling to come up with something to continue with their evo fantasy. Catholic schools and teachers should be on top of this and it is sad they are not staying current. The evo dogma dies hard.
 
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Freddy:
Yes. It was in the tens of thousands. Could you confirm that so people don’t waste their time?
Quote me exactly.
There’s no need. Your refusal to deny that figure is all that’s required. But you could put the record straight if it’s wrong. That’s up to you.

I did find this though…from April 5 in the thread Evolution and Creationism.
Macroevolution, the lineage splitting with loss, of a new species, has been observed. It is an established fact; no assumption required.
Yet:
Since macro-evolution has not been empirically proven and is philosophy it should not be taught in science class…
So it’s an established fact yet hasn’t been proven. It has been observed but cannot be taught as science. Colour me confused.
 
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Also in genesis there is language to describe day and night as being 1 day, not 1,000,000 days.
Actually the Bible makes it explicit that the days of creation are not periods defined by a single revolution of the Earth, for the first day is listed before there was an Earth to revolve. Therefore a figurative sense is the only permissible reading.

Andcwhat could a day be like, when there is no spinning earth and only God is alive? For an answer we turn to the Psalm Domine refugium: “For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday, seeing that is past as a watch i the night.”
 
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Freddy:
Yes. It was in the tens of thousands. Could you confirm that so people don’t waste their time?
Quote me exactly.
Oh, ok…
I am a younger earther, definitely. IOW not billions but could be many thousands.
The ‘many thousands’ will do just fine. We’re in the ball park I think. Which was a metaphor I think I used previously. That if the age of the earth was represented by the distance from Yankee Stadium to the California coast then your estimate of the age would be the distance from batter to first base.
 
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This is a religion class that talks about evolution, not a science class. The concept that’s difficult to reconcile are the millions of years of evolution seems to put limits on God’s creative power and design. For if he allowed things to evolve for that period of time at what point were the angels ( good and eventually rebellious ) put into the equation? Did not Christ say that the devil was a liar from the beginning? Also in genesis there is language to describe day and night as being 1 day, not 1,000,000 days.
The Church does not teach that creation took place in six 24 hour periods.
 
So it’s an established fact yet hasn’t been proven. It has been observed but cannot be taught as science. Colour me confused.
You are confused once again since you pulled the quote out of context and you well know it.
 
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Freddy:
So it’s an established fact yet hasn’t been proven. It has been observed but cannot be taught as science. Colour me confused.
You are confused once again since you pulled the quote out of context and you well know it.
That’s an exact quote. Please don’t accuse me of bending the truth. That was all the post contained. You were qualifying something that rossum said. You wanted it worded your way. Which you did. It’s verbatim.
 
We now have a situation that observed complexity inspires deep questioning. Genetic entropy and generational deleterious mutations act on organisms in a destructive way. If they do not teach this reality students will sooner or later come upon it. The current teaching is to downplay it and credit the godlike creative abilities of natural selection and random mutations with oodles of necessary time. This is not being truthful to them. They should be allowed to question and get real answers. The curriculum must be updated.
 
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You were qualifying something that rossum said.
Read again and you may understand it in my discussion with him. I said, ok, rossum, you want to call lineage splitting (microevolution) with subsequent loss of function (and information) macroevolution, go with it. We all know that is not what is meant by macro, however. In context this entire conversation was an admission that macro does not have the creative capabilities that evos claim. Hope this clears up your gotcha attempt.
 
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Freddy:
You were qualifying something that rossum said.
Read again and you may understand it in my discussion with him. I said, ok, rossum, you want to call lineage splitting (microevolution) with subsequent loss of function (and information) macroevolution, go with it.
You just wanted to emphasise that there was a loss. Which was the inability to mate with the parent species. Which you said didn’t require an assumption. You wanted to emphasise that. Hence:

“Macroevolution, the lineage splitting with loss, of a new species, has been observed. It is an established fact; no assumption required.”

Macroevolution an established fact? No argument there. Lineage splitting? No argument there. The loss of the ability to mate with the parent species? No argument there. A new species? No argument there.

Any assumptions required? No…it’s exactly what you wrote.

As, indeed, is the quote re your views on the age of the planet. Out by a few magnitudes I’d say.
 
If a population becomes physically separated into 2 populations (places) experiencing different environmental conditions, and so each population evolves independently, and differently, what is the information loss that concerns you and Which you say must lead to extinction?
Buffalo - I queried you as above a while back. You may have overlooked this question?
 
Monkey to human is not what science teaches. It is a gross oversimplification of the science.

I’d suggest the book “Sapiens” to get a basic understanding of the science.

Seriously, a meeting with the school to get the facts is in order.
 
They do not rule out each other. I’m Catholic and I firmly believe in evolution, like I believe in physics, chemistry, biology etc. Just because God created the world in 7 days doesn’t mean those days had 24hrs, each day could have been millennia or the blink of an eye. God is omnipotent, why should He limit himself to a human idea of time. I think people get too caught up in trying to understand every little detail.
 
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Spanky1975:
questions the monkey to human transition
Which was never taught, at least not by anyone who understands the theory.
I do have some sympathy for people who have an objection to the “monkey to human transition”. It was exactly what I was taught in school and I had to do the work on my own to learn that it was completely not what was supposed to be taught. I do wish people would help a person who comes out with that explanation of evolution. It wasn’t until I was listening to a conversation and picked up hints that what I was taught didn’t mesh with the scientist that I knew to even look into it. Evolution vs Creationism was never a problem in my family so I never was interested enough to look into it after what I learned in class. After that, if I wanted to stick with the “monkeys to human” argument, well, that’s on me.

To head off the potential question: No, this wasn’t a private school. It was my local public school and all the classes learned the same thing. It wasn’t just my singular science teacher going off on his own.
 
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Yes, I think that is fine for a Catholic school. I do not see evolution as being in conflict with creation.
 
For that error to be taught in a public school shocks and saddens me. When was this? Knowing where would be nice as well, but if you want to keep that to yourself for privacy concerns I will respect it.
 
For that error to be taught in a public school shocks and saddens me. When was this? Knowing where would be nice as well, but if you want to keep that to yourself for privacy concerns I will respect it.
2001 or 2002 (can’t quite remember which grade it was in, I can just picture the classroom and the teacher’s face).
 
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