Very true, which is why I never claimed that. You also realize that the Bible could very well be just as true as the Quaran, right?
From an Atheists perspective yes.
No. I am asking why you think you should do that at all.
It wasn’t me who posted this but I think this was said in jest.
Wouldn’t it be easier for you to prove to me that they are necessary? I see no where in the Bible that it mentions doing any of the things Catholics do; such as Hail Mary’s.
Nope, because I am not the one disputing it. You are the one querying it so the burden of proof is on you.
A quick reply regarding the Hail Mary. Go to Luke. This is Elizabeths’s salutation when Mary visited her and John the Baptist lept in her womb.
I NEVER said that it was historically accurate in everything. I said that nothing has been proven inaccuarte.
In cases of myths there is no way of proving anything accurate because myths do not deal with accuracies. Some stories in the Bible are myths and some are historical.
There are different beliefs on how the Earth was started, but that doesn’t mean that the Biblical belief in creation has been diproven.
If there are differing accounts in the Bible itself of the origin of the universe, then don’t you think we have to set out first which one is correct from our perspective before anyone could disprove it?
But, Jesus did NOT say that it’s the way we SHOULD pray. He said:
“Pray, then, in this way (or “in this manner” {NKJV}). 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name…” {Matthew6:9 NASB} “in this way” that means it is an exapmle of how we should pray. I am not saying that reciting the Lord’s prayer is a bad thing to do; however, it is not a very specific prayers, and I hear people use it all the time in very different situations.
NAB Matthew 6:9-10
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This is how you are to pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
And yes it is a very specific prayer. It is the most perfect prayer. If you are interested, the Pope has actually devoted a whole chapter on this prayer alone in his book “Jesus of Nazareth”. A great book.
If you like I can post bits and pieces of his explanations of the our father in another thread just for you.
That’s like saying why did God bother putting us on the Earth; he should have just sent us to Heaven or Hell right away…I mean he already knows if we choose to follow his ways or not
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Not quite right but I won’t go into that now as predestination is a whole different kettle of fish best tackled on its own. You missed my point though. I was trying to show that the rule you made (that we should pray only personal, own words prayer) is precisely just that, your own rule.
Alright, I will do that for you. All you had to do was ask.
And, maybe saying that they are “pagan” was the wrong word, and I appologize.
- Catholics do not believe that Christ’s death paid the full penalty for sin.
Only because as I have said before you do not know Catholic Doctrine. I would even venture to say you know almost zilch about Catholic doctrine.
Catholic doctrine never ever said that. But your idea of “penalty for sin” needs more elaboraton because your (possibly Calvinistic) concept is wrong with regards this aspect of salvation theology.
Thus the idea of purgatory. If they believed that, then there would be no reason for a purgatory. --If I am correct, in Catholicism, Purgatory is the place where those who are to enter Heaven must go in order to be “washed of their sins.”
Purgatory as the name implies means purgation, to be purged of sin.
Explain this to me: I am presuming that you are some sort of “born again” Christian and you believe that once saved always saved.
So let’s say you have been “born again” so “washed clean, regenerated”, led an almost spotless life, but then you get overtaken by lust for this person and you commit sin again (raped someone) and in the process of raping someone was shot in the head by the police. What happens then, where do you go?
I will give you a better understanding of what the doctrine of purgatory really means on my next post.
What I don’t understand is…if Jesus’ blood was shed to “wash away our sins”, then what is the necessity of Purgatory?
When we are baptized, all our sins (original and personal) are all washed away. If you should get hit by a car and die straight after, then you got straight to heaven.
But many commit sins again after baptism, hence purgatory.
This is one thing, the idea of a “between Heaven location”, Purgatory is a pagan idea.
Nope. The very early Christians believed in purgatory. It is only protestant theology which is essentially truncated Christianity that did away with this doctrine. The Orthodox churches (though they have not defined this doctrine) also believe in it. This is incorporated in their doctine of Theosis, the process of deification.
Oh and BTW, CS Lewis (who is prostestant) believes in purgatory. Will post his thoughts on this later.
- Catholics are idolatrous, they honor/worship Mary. Isn’t one of the things Catholic say, something like: “Holy Mary, mother of God”?
We honor Mary. We do not worship her. And Mary is indeed Holy. She is now in heaven so she is Holy. And Mary IS the mother of God. Again, go to Luke.
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