Ted Cruz Dropping Out of Republican Presidential Race

[Crossbones]

For anyone interested in moral issues such as abortion, same sex marriage, the decline of the family, the decline of marriage, even the looming demographic crisis, Donald Trump could not possibly be worse than Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but he can worse in a lot of other ways.

 

[Alex_H]

I would like to reiterate; I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

 

[Crossbones]

I would like to reiterate; I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

Thanks for the update. Who are you voting for in La?

 

[Alex_H]

Thanks for the update. Who are you voting for in La?

I’m thinking the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico. I voted for Cruz in the Republican primary. But now that he is out, I’m faced with either Donald or Hillary and both of them just disturb me.

 

[Monkey1976]

I’m thinking the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico. I voted for Cruz in the Republican primary. But now that he is out, I’m faced with either Donald or Hillary and both of them just disturb me.

Mr. Johnson is better than Mrs. Clinton on abortion, but only just - he believes it should be a matter for the states to decide, but is personally pro-choice “until viability”.

I’m going to be voting for Austin Petersen. Also libertarian, but solidly pro-life. Plus, he supports reinstating letters of marque, so he’s also pro-pirate! AVAST, YE SCURVY DOGS!

 

[Alex_H]

Mr. Johnson is better than Mrs. Clinton on abortion, but only just - he believes it should be a matter for the states to decide, but is personally pro-choice “until viability”.

I’m going to be voting for Austin Petersen. Also libertarian, but solidly pro-life. Plus, he supports reinstating letters of marque, so he’s also pro-pirate! AVAST, YE SCURVY DOGS!

Does Austin Petersen have any experience in government? I’m always worried about electing someone who has never held any sort of office because when you become the head of a large bureaucracy, as is the United States, it can easily become overwhelming. Gary Johnson was the Governor of New Mexico for two terms and did a pretty good job. He would at least know what it’s like to have to lead a large government. (Though Gary Johnson hopes to make it smaller)

 

[Michael_Mayo]

For anyone interested in moral issues such as abortion, same sex marriage, the decline of the family, the decline of marriage, even the looming demographic crisis, Donald Trump could not possibly be worse than Hillary Clinton.

How many times has he been married? 3?

What " looking demographic crisis??

 

[Crossbones]

How many times has he been married? 3?

What " looking demographic crisis??

Listen to what he says on an issue. When you agree. Ignore when he talked about the same issue when you disagree (he’ll cover both eventually because his position is ‘evolving’). Ignore his personal life because that’s not representative of his strong position on social issues. Project onto him what you want to believe and you have the perfect candidate.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Listen to what he says on an issue. When you agree. Ignore when he talked about the same issue when you disagree (he’ll cover both eventually because his position is ‘evolving’). Ignore his personal life because that’s not representative of his strong position on social issues. Project onto him what you want to believe and you have the perfect candidate.

That’s true. It’s just sad that it seems certain he will be the Republican nominee.

He’s been married three times, each time to a woman younger than the last.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Yes, but he can worse in a lot of other ways.

What precisely are those other ways?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Well according to my reading here I really don’t how the Reps made such a mess but imho they are responsible AND to email Ted about the VP position offered early in the debates and considered yesterday by Trump. The Democrats concerned about abortion as indicated on this thread should email him also as his position is preferred by them right here. Or on this thread they appear to argue some pseudo position about all are pro-choice and relevant and Ted is preferred. We all seem to agree Ted is preferred so we should get Ted back in the game.

That ought to seal the deal ridding ourselves of Hillary the flip flopper as indicated by the oh so life long politician yesterday in LA and the day before in WV, complete flip flopper. No wonder Bernies people are rioting everywhere and Donalds are acting up.

Please email Ted!! Your scaring us and now know why the Independent party exists and is growing.

 

[Crossbones]

What precisely are those other ways?

Murder, Torture and War Crimes

“I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”

“T}orture works”

“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,”

 

[Joe_5859]

Additionally, most of Trump’s “flip flopping” is actually just adding details to a statement that he should have added when the question was first asked. Sometimes, though, one suspects that sometimes his statements are “off the cuff” answers to something he really never thought about too much, and is then told that his position as stated needs shoring up.

That seems a reasonable explanation to me. When it comes to moral issues like abortion, it’s something he probably never thought about before.

I’m still deciding whether that’s a really bad thing or a thing that could actually be okay. If he’s got no conviction about it, he wont make it a priority to fight to end abortion. However, it also probably means that he’s willing to stick to the party line and (at the very least) not do anything to make it worse.

We probably do hold politicians up to an unreasonable standard when it comes to changing their minds. It seems this “flip flopping” on abortion comes up for every Republican nominee. The same thing was said about Romney and McCain. It does make it easy to be suspicious when the party nominee always seems to have become increasingly pro-life only recently. I’m still deciding whether it’s better to take the pro-life lip service over the overtly pro-abortion candidate or whether it will ever come to a point where we need to insist that lip service is not enough, even if it means the GOP loses that election.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Obama has us internationally ranked the number one worlds weapons dealer its a bit hard to scream about …

Murder, Torture and War Crimes

In light of Mr Fast and Furious. He just shoots them in the head and tosses them off the ships. How the heck do you start a morality conversation from there?

 

[Peter_J]

Murder, Torture and War Crimes

“I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”

“[T}orture works”

“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,”

But he’s never going to be president.
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[Crossbones]

But he’s never going to be president.

Not according to some around here. In fact some Catholics are already working on their justification of their votes, so they should be clear in their understanding that they are supporting someone who will act in a way contrary to Catholic teaching.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

From LifeNews yesterday: lifenews.com/2016/05/05/donald-trump-hires-pro-life-advocate-as-top-domestic-policy-director/

Likely Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is winning praise from pro-life advocates for hiring a top pro-life advocate as a key domestic policy advisory. The presumptive GOP nominee hired long-time conservative congressional aide John Mashburn as his policy director.

Mashburn is pro-life and has worked for pro-life lawmakers including the late Sen. Jesse Helms, former Senate Republican leader Trent Lott and current North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis. As the Washington Examiner reports, pro-life groups see the move as Trump making serious overtures to pro-life voters and hail it as Trump indicating he will govern in a pro-life manner if elected president.

“If I were running for president, I would want John Mashburn as a top advisor, too,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, a national pro-life organization. In a statement to Trump, she added, “If elected, no doubt John Mashburn will serve you well as you fulfill your campaign promises to defund Planned Parenthood, advance and sign into law the popular Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, and appoint Justices to the bench who will protect and defend the Constitution.”

“Yes he is a rock solid pro-lifer and former Helms staffer. Someone we can work with,” added Penny Nance, president and CEO of Concerned Women for America.

"Donald Trump has brought on John Mashburn as his Policy Director. This is an excellent hire, especially for the pro-life movement and our legislative priorities.

"I have known and respected John Mashburn for many years. He is a smart strategist with deep pro-life roots. John is well-respected across every issue set. For him, the life issue is foundational and one which helped draw him into politics.

If Trump is the nominee, he would present a stark contrast on abortion to pro-abortion Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Trump has specifically promised he would sign a bill as president to de-fund Planned Parenthood. In an interview with David Brody of CBN, Trump made that promise:

David Brody: “As a President Trump, if a bill came to your desk that would defund Planned Parenthood you would support that, you would sign that?”

Donald Trump: “Yes, because as long as they do the abortion I am not for funding Planned Parenthood… As long as they’re involved with abortion, as far as I’m concerned forget it, I wouldn’t fund them regardless. I would defund Planned Parenthood because of their view and the fact of their work on abortion…. I am for defunding Planned Parenthood as long as they are involved with abortion.”

As far as Trump’s comments on Planned Parenthood funding are concerned, Trump has fairly consistently said he opposes taxpayer funding but he’s also made some remarks about the “good things” Planned Parenthood does that have alarmed pro-life voters — as if any “good thing” could make up for the fact that planned Parenthood kills 330,000 unborn babies a year in abortions and then sells their body parts for profit.

Meanwhile, Trump said he thinks the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court case that ushered in an era of 48 million abortions was “wrongly decided.” Trump said he would appoint “very good judges” who would ultimately “change it” but he opposed Roe without specifically saying it should be overturned.

 

[grotto]

That seems a reasonable explanation to me. When it comes to moral issues like abortion, it’s something he probably never thought about before.

I’m still deciding whether that’s a really bad thing or a thing that could actually be okay. If he’s got no conviction about it, he wont make it a priority to fight to end abortion. However, it also probably means that he’s willing to stick to the party line and (at the very least) not do anything to make it worse.

We probably do hold politicians up to an unreasonable standard when it comes to changing their minds. It seems this “flip flopping” on abortion comes up for every Republican nominee. The same thing was said about Romney and McCain. It does make it easy to be suspicious when the party nominee always seems to have become increasingly pro-life only recently. I’m still deciding whether it’s better to take the pro-life lip service over the overtly pro-abortion candidate or whether it will ever come to a point where we need to insist that lip service is not enough, even if it means the GOP loses that election.

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It is never comfortable to deal with those people that seem untrustworthy. We try to trust - but we must verify!

Trump is the one who has not played word games - he has gotten out in front of many people and spoke personally - even if not politically correct or politely on occasion. He is the one people chose to run.

Americans have been insulted, embarrassed, sold out and sacrificed to satisfy those that managed to take advantage and attempt to ruin. People are and ready to clean house! Trump has earned enough trust to get started “to make America great again”!

 

[Crossbones]

From LifeSite News yesterday:

Ah, the pro-life movement struggling to remain relevant after the Republican party nominated someone who thinks so little about the issue that he changed his position three times in a day.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Compare and contrast Trump’s stated views to Hillary’s:

The other statements Clinton made on The View make it clear that her radical stance on abortion has not changed. Clinton said an unborn child just hours before delivery should have no Constitutional rights. Her comments come just days after Clinton said unborn children simply do not have any Constitutional rights, which would include the right to life.

Clinton’s extreme position on abortion is clear. At a campaign event in August, she compared pro-lifers to terrorists. Then, during a September interview on CBS, Clinton revealed that she wouldn’t support a federal limit on abortion “at any state of pregnancy” in the name of a “woman’s right to choose.”

This stands in stark opposition to most Americans’ positions on abortion, according to polling. A Marist survey found that 8 in 10 Americans, including 82 percent of women, would restrict abortion to the first three months of pregnancy, at most. Even 66 percent of Americans who identify as pro-choice say they want more abortion restrictions.

Clinton also is a favorite of Planned Parenthood because she promised to overturn the Hyde Amendment if elected. The amendment protects taxpayer dollars from funding elective abortions through federal programs like Medicaid. Planned Parenthood stands to make even more money if Hyde is overturned, but a strong majority of Americans oppose taxpayer funding of abortion.

Source: lifenews.com/2016/04/06/hillary-clinton-killing-a-baby-in-an-abortion-is-a-choice-rooted-in-thoughtfulness/