Ted Cruz Dropping Out of Republican Presidential Race

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I was a little reluctant to wade in here (I could be wrong but my brain is telling me that this is one of the worst conversations I’ve seen here) but I guess in for a penny, in for a pound, right? :o 😉

Anyhow, Little Sheep I noticed your post and wonder: do you approve of some states placing restrictions on third trimester abortions? And why or why not?
 
Peter_J said:
But seriously, whatever you decide remember the down ballot elections.
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Right. I’m honestly not sure what I’m going to do with the presidential election. I know I won’t vote for Clinton. But I’m not sure I can vote for Trump either. I’m open to being convinced that it does not run counter to my Catholic faith.

But even if I decide to vote 3rd party or not vote for the presidential election, I will still show up to vote for all the other races and issues on the ballot in November. Honestly, my vote will have a greater impact on those down ballot elections than the presidential election anyway.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Thats what the entire conversation about irishpatrick. We are discussing a rarely thought about point in this entire situation of “after” the candidate is elected and rape/incest/LotM becomes a reality meaning, abortion is illegal except for these limited exceptions. If abortion is illegal then its a crime.
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No one is looking to make abortion akin to murder.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Right. I’m honestly not sure what I’m going to do with the presidential election. I know I won’t vote for Clinton. But I’m not sure I can vote for Trump either. I’m open to being convinced that it does not run counter to my Catholic faith.

But even if I decide to vote 3rd party or not vote for the presidential election, I will still show up to vote for all the other races and issues on the ballot in November. Honestly, my vote will have a greater impact on those down ballot elections than the presidential election anyway.
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If you do not vote for Trump, then Clinton will be the next President of the United States.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Bill was not a great president.

Bill Clinton did terrible damage to this country.

For example, China used to have their ICBM missiles blow up ALL THE TIME. So what did Bill do? He sent experts from Loral Corporation to go to China and fix the problems. And now … China’s ICBM missiles work perfectly. **Bill’s act put the United States in terrible danger. ** All he had to do was nothing.

For example, Bill Clinton was offered Osama Bin Laden … all he had to do was to have some soldiers pick him up. Bill refused. And Bin Laden went on to destroy the World Trade Center and demolish the Pentagon building … and trigger the mess we are in now. One simple act would have prevented terrible results.

Many many examples.

Bill Clinton was a terrible President.
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Little_Sheep said:
I’m not ignoring the popularity of the insurgence, but I still believe it wounded the Party deeply. It helped create a Party with two factions who loathed and obstructed each other. While the Tea Party’s stated beliefs are worth consideration, imho, I don’t believe the power players or the movement itself helped Republicans or the country.
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I agree with this. I think the Tea Party movement hollowed out the party, and led to the mess it’s in now (hijacked by a reality tv celebrity). Although it’s possible it merely accelerated a process that was already underway.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Right. I’m honestly not sure what I’m going to do with the presidential election. I know I won’t vote for Clinton. But I’m not sure I can vote for Trump either. I’m open to being convinced that it does not run counter to my Catholic faith.

But even if I decide to vote 3rd party or not vote for the presidential election, I will still show up to vote for all the other races and issues on the ballot in November. Honestly, my vote will have a greater impact on those down ballot elections than the presidential election anyway.
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Well said.

I would like to add: it also affects the future of the GOP and conservatism in the United States of American. Trump-voters and non-Trump-voters can unite behind down-ballot Republicans, or each group can demonize the other group. (Not that I can imagine anyone is the GOP demonizing someone else in the GOP. Not this year anyhow. 😉)

We also ought to keep in mind that GOP politicians, most of them anyhow, pretty much have to be nice to Trump just for the sake of self-preservation. I’m certain that there will be a few hardcore anti-Trump people who want to punish them for that, but that’s just an awful idea IMO.
 
Crossbones said:
If you don’t have thought out answers, Chris Matthews will make you look foolish.
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First, I cannot say what I think of Matthew’s on this public forum. Second, I always have well thought out answers or I do not bother speaking about a subject. I never let a certain thrill go up my leg while I am answering. 👍
 
irishpatrick said:
No one is looking to make abortion akin to murder.
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No but they are looking to make abortion illegal which does bring into question the legalistic consequence of the abortion being “illegal” in the various situations discussed.

But this has been covered also in the news and Time article. The point is not different than pre-70 where the idea wasn’t to criminalize the women but the illegal abortionists. Which is part of my thinking above on why legal medical aid will be a major issue. You couldn’t just stroll in a Drs office then for this exact reason. The law fell directly on the illegal abortionists. Its true no-one is looking punish women which was a comment and point raised by Trump…
that if abortion were illegal, women should be punished
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women in the United States who have, in fact, gone to jail for abortion; some are sitting in jail right now. Jennifer Whalen, a mother in Pennsylvania, was prosecuted for getting abortion-inducing drugs for her daughter. Purvi Patel is currently sitting in an Indiana prison for allegedly self-inducing her own abortion. And it’s not just abortion. Prosecutors have charged dozens of women with serious crimes including drug trafficking and murder for using drugs while pregnant. When South Carolina passed a law in 1997 qualifying fetuses as persons and harm to them as child abuse, the Attorney General’s Office announced it would prosecute women who had post-viability abortions for any reason, and that it would charge them with murder and potentially seek the death penalty. If a woman takes drugs and has a miscarriage or her child dies soon after birth, she faces jail time in many parts of the U.S. Do we really believe that a woman who pays someone to end her pregnancy won’t be treated the same way?
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When you make something illegal, it comes with penalties—this is how criminal law works. Time-
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I don’t know what the ultimate intentions are, they in fact were to punish illegal doctors in the past. This is what I’m saying past the reality that Clinton and Trump are simply not the same paradigm, which is the point I called fiction in thinking and absurd. Completely different.

But my further point is and has been that rarely this is deeply thought about. Its one thing to say in moral ethics lets stop this etc. Its another point to actualize and visualize the reality of whats being suggested. Certainly the theory isn’t to drag us back to barbarism in relation to women/abortion, but on the other hand the 1-million deaths is obviously is a concern.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I understand the concern and fear believe me when I tell you, its quite normal as we see.

Over 60% of the population wasn’t interested in electing an insider of DC. All that really happened is the peoples will is becoming a reality. The variable is if DT self destructs but nothing indicates this as anything he has done has increased his following.

Newt is right above over 90% Rep and 83% Democrats view the economy as the top priority. Which is indicative of the bs being fed by the Obama administration. Even the Democrats don’t believe it. Most important is National Security and foreign policy a complete disaster of Obama and more promised with Hillary just look as Libya.

Further Trumps American nationalism is a refreshing aspect compared to Obama and Hillary who basically think America ought to be in the butt kissing business to the entire world such as Iran. From the Indian wars up till today they are depressing to listen to and akin to having traitors for leaders. The PC leftist conversation died in 2016, thats the most nonsensical immature conversation anyone heard in the past few years. Look at the college campuses across the nation. Even Hillary can’t fit into the cage of PC dialogue built by the Democrats all on account of IslamOphobia a Muslim Brotherhood agenda. Complete double standards while calling the rep terrorists and equating them to Islamic radicals that they don’t think should be called Islamic radicals? Not very sensible. DT is for christian faith and religious liberty which Obama and Hillary have done nothing but assaulted and contend to do so further as we witnessed with the Sisters of the Poor for no good reason but to oppress religion.

Its time for change and thats what people want and in both parties as Hillary is a seriously fractured candidate who has no concern about unity.
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I WILL vote for Trump because I do NOT want Hillary or Bernie in the White House. That would be a huge disaster. And I will continue to pray for the conversion of all politicians and the end of the Culture of Death and the beginning of a NEW Culture of LIFE. God Bless, Memaw
 
Monte_RCMS said:
If you do not vote for Trump, then Clinton will be the next President of the United States.
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It’s going to come down to one vote? :eek: Suddenly I feel a power I’ve never felt before. 😛 😉

I get the appeal of that argument. I think I probably made it myself in 2008 and 2012. :o At this point, though, I’m not convinced that Trump would be better than Clinton (and I have ridiculously low expectations for Clinton). As I said, though, I’m still open to being swayed. A lot will depend on his choice of running mate.
 
A lot will depend on his choice of running mate.
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Ted Cruz and perhaps Ted will be leading the legalistics with abortion as we have discussed? :eek:

Apparently the Catholic pro-choice advocates see this as a better alternative. 👍
 
irishpatrick said:
First, I cannot say what I think of Matthew’s on this public forum. Second, I always have well thought out answers or I do not bother speaking about a subject. I never let a certain thrill go up my leg while I am answering. 👍
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About him the best one can say is, to paraphrase Shakespeare, he is a foolish wit that thinks he’s a witty fool.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Ted Cruz and perhaps Ted will be leading the legalistics with abortion as we have discussed? :eek:

Apparently the Catholic pro-choice advocates see this as a better alternative. 👍
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My guess is his running mate will be closer to Arnold Schwarzenegger than Ted Cruz. One thing’s for sure, though. This election cycle will be the best reality show on TV this year.

***putting tin foil hat on ***
My money is still on Obama finding a way to get 4 more years in office. Trump offends the wrong person, Hillary gets indicted, major conflict starts in the Middle East, and Obama uses his executive power to “postpone” the elections.
taking tin foil hat off
 
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