Ted Haggert: "I over repented."

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Rascalking said:
Fair warning to Catholics-Be very, very careful about critiquing another preacher for “sexual sins.”

No, I’m not saying don’t talk about him or anything else. What I am saying it perhaps we should be very careful to throw stones. Our own hosue hasn’t been that clean lately.
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Point well taken.
 
rlg94086 said:
I have no doubt that both Kuan Yin and Via Dolorosa would accept the fact that they are racists since they hate racists so much. They *obviously *have been protesting too much for it to be geniune rejection of racism. 😉

Edit add: Oh…and they are also closeted Fox News lovers. 😛
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Good point! And if they deny it we will just quote Shakespeare
 
estesbob said:
So is it your contention that anybody that vehemently opposes something is actually supporting it??? It is interesting that only see this argument advanced when homosexual behavior is being discussed. When somebody opposes abortion, for instance, nobody claims that they really favor it. As I said in my opinion such accusations are nothing more than attempt to stop the discussion
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These guys tend to make news more often. Their stories are accessable and seem to occur a fairly regular basis. They make denunciation of gays part of their life and that’s where the hypocrisy lies. I think they make the news on the hypocrisy rather than their sexual inclination
 
estesbob said:
So is it your contention that anybody that vehemently opposes something is actually supporting it???
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No, that isn’t what I am saying. However, there is a point when someone is vigorously denouncing something, which they may be part of, that suspicions may be raised.

These suspicions prove nothing. But they may merit closer examination.
estesbob said:
As I said in my opinion such accusations are nothing more than attempt to stop the discussion
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In the absence of any particulars, I am not sure I agree. If people suspected that Ted Haggard was a self-loathing homosexual years before his sex and drug scandal it didn’t take away from the discussion then, or now.
 
estesbob said:
So is it your contention that anybody that vehemently opposes something is actually supporting it???
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No, but it is true in some cases. There are some gay individuals who loathe their sexual orientation and they express that hatred in different ways. Some think they have to compensate for it by being extremely masculine. Some join hate groups which target homosexuals (I know of a few homosexuals who became skinheads). Some try to force themselves into heterosexual relationships, getting married, having kids, and hoping that it goes away. Some turn to drugs, alcohol, and other destructive behaviors. As far as I’m concerned; anyone who has what can only be called an obsession with voicing opposition to homosexuality is likely either gay or had some bad experience at some point in their lives.
 
Dale_M said:
No, that isn’t what I am saying. However, there is a point when someone is vigorously denouncing something, which they may be part of, that suspicions may be raised.

These suspicions prove nothing. But they may merit closer examination.

In the absence of any particulars, I am not sure I agree. If people suspected that Ted Haggard was a self-loathing homosexual years before his sex and drug scandal it didn’t take away from the discussion then, or now.
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I am talking about people involved in the discussion being accused of protestesting too much. When such an accusation is made they often either launch into a thread changing defense that they are not homosexual or they shut up. I get two or three private e-mails a year from people assuring me they know I am homosexual and just need to admit it. I never responded them nor the accusations thrown about in threads like this because I know the purposes is to derail the thread. But I have many times seen a thread stopped in its tracks by homosexual apologists accusing those who disagree with them of being closeted, self loathing homosexuals

Again the only time I see this accusation leveled is one where homosexual behavior is being discussed.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
No, but it is true in some cases. There are some gay individuals who loathe their sexual orientation and they express that hatred in different ways. Some think they have to compensate for it by being extremely masculine. Some join hate groups which target homosexuals (I know of a few homosexuals who became skinheads). Some try to force themselves into heterosexual relationships, getting married, having kids, and hoping that it goes away. Some turn to drugs, alcohol, and other destructive behaviors. As far as I’m concerned; anyone who has what can only be called an obsession with voicing opposition to homosexuality is likely either gay or had some bad experience at some point in their lives.
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So we are to assume that you are a self-loathing Fox news lover? And is it your opinion that any person with same-sex attraction who tries to not give in to their sinful inclination is in reality a self-loathing homosexual?

What you said above is absolute nonsense-it is the usual tactics of homosexual apologists to try and derail the discussion .
 
estesbob said:
I am talking about people involved in the discussion being accused of protestesting too much. When such an accusation is made they often either launch into a thread changing defense that they are not homosexual or they shut up
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Okay. I guess I can’t remember seeing a thread in which one member accused another of being homosexual.
estesbob said:
I get two or three private e-mails a year from people assuring me they know I am homosexual and just need to admit it.
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I am surprised, and sorry to hear that. Its none of their business, and it is rude to question you, especially in an accusatory fashion.
 
estesbob said:
And is it your opinion that any person with same-sex attraction who tries to not give in to their sinful inclination is in reality a self-loathing homosexual?
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I think there’s a difference between accepting your sexuality and simply being celibate vs hiding in the closet while entering into phony heterosexual relationships and publicly lashing out at homosexuals and homosexuality in general.
estesbob said:
What you said above is absolute nonsense-it is the usual tactics of homosexual apologists to try and derail the discussion .
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It’s the truth in many casses: Ted Haggert, David Dreier, Troy King, Jim West, Richard Curtis, Bruce Barclay, Roy Ashburn, George Rekers, John Paulk, etc. etc.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think there’s a difference between accepting your sexuality and simply being celibate vs hiding in the closet while entering into phony heterosexual relationships and publicly lashing out at homosexuals and homosexuality in general.

It’s the truth in many casses: Ted Haggert, David Dreier, Troy King, Jim West, Richard Curtis, Bruce Barclay, Roy Ashburn, George Rekers, John Paulk, etc. etc.
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So why don’t you just admit you are self-loathing Fox news lover and be done with it?
 
estesbob said:
I am talking about people involved in the discussion being accused of protestesting too much. When such an accusation is made they often either launch into a thread changing defense that they are not homosexual or they shut up. I get two or three private e-mails a year from people assuring me they know I am homosexual and just need to admit it. I never responded them nor the accusations thrown about in threads like this because I know the purposes is to derail the thread. But I have many times seen a thread stopped in its tracks by homosexual apologists accusing those who disagree with them of being closeted, self loathing homosexuals

Again the only time I see this accusation leveled is one where homosexual behavior is being discussed.
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I guess you missed the post where I’m called a closeted racist?
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
I guess you missed the post where I’m called a closeted racist?
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No one called you a closeted racist! I called you a closeted Fox News lover. Get it right! 😛 😃

Regardless, I was joking…thus the smilies. I was pointing out the inanity of making too much out of the homophobia/homosexual link. Bob was correct in stating that the only time the argument seems to be made is in regards to homosexuality.
 
rlg94086 said:
No one called you a closeted racist! I called you a closeted Fox News lover. Get it right! 😛 😃

Regardless, I was joking…thus the smilies. I was pointing out the inanity of making too much out of the homophobia/homosexual link. You are right. I overreacted because I misunderstood at first. By the time it dawned on me I had already responded. Sorry.

Bob was correct in stating that the only time the argument seems to be made is in regards to homosexuality.
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Why do you think that is? too much pressure staying in the closet?
 
Please,
Would someone tell me how to do the mutiple quote thing? I’s really appreciate it.
 
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