Temporary contraception use after surgery

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0507 said:
That is not clear. The Church teaches that contraception is allowed in cases of rape. Yet abortion is not.
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The actions the church deems proper after a rape do not constitute what it regards as contraception. Just as heaving the rapists from one’s body just prior to ejaculation is not contraception, but rather putting an end to the rape.
 
However, the Church does not allow contraception in any cases, not in rape, not in marital intercourse, not in consenting adult fornication.
 
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Cruc3S1gnatus:
You wouldn’t need to abstain the whole 2 months just after ovulation is confirmed each cycle.
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I believe you mean they abstain BEFORE ovulation is confirmed. Afterwards they’re in the clear for the rest of that month!
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I think that is very misleading and unsafe in their circumstances. Sperm can live for up to 5 days, so the couple can’t just continue until ovulation is confirmed.
 
paperwight said:
I think that is very misleading and unsafe in their circumstances. Sperm can live for up to 5 days, so the couple can’t just continue until ovulation is confirmed.
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Right. They would abstain from the moment her period starts until 3 days AFTER ovulation is detected via mucus signs / ovulation test / fertility monitor. From the 4th day (after ovulation detection) all the way until the next time her period begins they should be in the clear to have sex anytime they please. I’m guessing that’d be 10-14 days if she has a regular-ish cycle. Of course it could be less if her cycle is wonky.

Edited to add: said another way -
Say her period starts November 1st.
Sex ends here.

The ovulation is detected on November 15th. Still no sex.

November 18 until whenever her next period starts they can have sex all they want.
 
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athea said:
Man, you are already having sex, putting the condom will safe the life of your wife.
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Hi Athea and welcome to the forum!

Realize that you’ve been manipulated by marketing into thinking that a 20 -25% failure rate is safe. It’s not. No one would buy that lie when it came to putting brakes on your car, if the brakes had a failure rate of 20-25%. That would be ridiculous and totally unacceptable.

But when it comes to women’s health, you’re being a hero using a condom.

Love means that sometimes you do the hard thing. The smart thing. You put the other person’s health first. Do not cause harm to another person, and especially your spouse who you promised to love and cherish.
 
paperwight said:
think that is very misleading and unsafe in their circumstances. Sperm can live for up to 5 days, so the couple can’t just continue until ovulation is confirmed.
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It is 3 days post ovulation when ovulation is confirmed. Sperm lives up to 5 days yes, but that is not a problem past ovulation because you can ONLY get pregnant from this BEFORE ovulation and about 24 hours after the egg is actually released. By the time ovulation is verified by OPKs and a temp rise you are fine (3 days post). Sperm live a long time but unfortunately (for some) they aren’t time travelers…
 
You should not request to have relations with her until she has recovered, as you are called to love her as Christ loves the Church, i.e. more than your own life. If she wishes to engage in marital relations despite the risk, knowing that you cannot use contraception, you can proceed with having relations with her (whether or not it would be obligatory to pay the marital debt to her in this case is above my paygrade, and I would encourage you to consult your confessor if you feel you cannot in good conscience satisfy the marital debt under these conditions).
 
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TheLittleLady said:
However, the Church does not allow contraception in any cases, not in rape, not in marital intercourse, not in consenting adult fornication.
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Are u able to point to any reference materials that address how a woman may or may not defend herself from rape? The only document I know addresses in-hospital post-rape treatment where measures to prevent conception are permitted. Frankly - I seriously doubt the physical form of preventing conception from rape - condom or hospital treatment - changes the moral nature of the act. And the latter is permitted.
 
Rau said:
The only document I know addresses in-hospital post-rape treatment where measures to prevent conception are permitted.
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Really?! I would love to know what in hospital measures are allowed. And who authorized them. I’m scandalized at the idea.
 
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Well, Rau refers to the document for the US hospitals that allowed to give morning after pill for women who had just been raped, under some circunstances (to sum up; ok for contraception measures, no for contraceptives measure).

Note that it is only for a country. This documents does not engage the all Church worldwilde and is not a mandate of the faith.

This document has NOTHING to do with the problem raised by the Original poster (contraception after surgery).
 
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There was a Diocese, cannot remember which one, that published a guild that has been used by other US Dioceses. It applies when it can be confirmed that ovulation has not taken place and permits an anti ovulary med to be administered. If ovulation has taken place, then, the same meds have the “feature” to cause a fertilized human not to implant, thus causing an early abortion.
 
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There was a Diocese, cannot remember which one, that published a guild that has been used by other US Dioceses. It applies when it can be confirmed that ovulation has not taken place and permits an anti ovulary med to be administered. If ovulation has taken place, then, the same meds have the “feature” to cause a fertilized human not to implant, thus causing an early abortion.
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I see. Thanks for sharing. I don’t know what to think.
 
I suppose it comes down to what you view the inherent meaning of contraception - that which the church declares sinful - to be. Versus what you understand rape to be. Is it not an assault at every stage, including after the man has finished and left? Is not the rapist’s semen presently illegitimately - and why would there be no right to remove it? Or to prevent ovulation in light of the foreseeable consequences?
 
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Rau said:
I suppose it comes down to what you view the inherent meaning of contraception - that which the church declares sinful - to be. Versus what you understand rape to be. Is it not an assault at every stage, including after the man has finished and left? Is not the rapist’s semen presently illegitimately - and why would there be no right to remove it? Or to prevent ovulation in light of the foreseeable consequences?
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An excellent summery, Rau.
 
I am so sorry you lost your baby, and in such a way.

As a Catholic, your using contraception would be a grave sin. The other 2 criteria for winning mortally might well also be met.

Very bad idea! Doing it with the idea you will confess after adds the sin of presumption.

If your wife decides to use contraception, that is on her if you have made your objection clear to her.

However, I do not think hormonal contraception is that good in the first month, and other forms are simply not that good overall, so I am surprised the doctors told you that it would be all right to have sex in the first month if you are trying to avoid pregnancy.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I can tell you that I have abstained for periods far longer than two months, and it wasn’t the end of the world. Nobody has to have sexual relations.

To use a bit of an analogy, comedian and activist Dick Gregory, a man for whom I had great respect, asked if it would be so hard for a white person to give up smoking cigarettes, if they knew that the next cigarette they smoked would turn them into a black person. Think about it, and you’ll see the analogy.

(This is assuming, of course, that being a black person is a bad thing. I don’t make that assumption.)
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News flash: my health insurance guy tells me that according to new regulations, I will have to pay a huge surcharge on my monthly health premiums if I continue to use a vapor pipe.

I have no choice but to quit “cold turkey”. Thank God for Nicorette lozenges. (They’re actually quite pleasant, kind of like Tic Tacs or Altoids with a kick!)

As far as Dick Gregory’s observation (which cuts to the very core of human nature), who exactly are we talking about? I wouldn’t mind waking up tomorrow morning looking like Idris Elba or Michael Jordan.
 
I don’t think I want to know who I am actually most like. But as long as my wife is content, I am content.
 
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