Terrorism Is Alien to Islam

[Lance]

You're right. I cannot know the degree to which you have assented to the religion of Islam, nor can I know the degree, if any, to which you know the falsity of what you say. I can only know that you assent unreservedly to the lies of Islamic/Iranian propaganda.  Of that, there can be no doubt.

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: You are never going to change pro_universal though. I have put him on my ignore list and encourage others to do the same. If he gets no response to his absurd posts he will go away.

 

[pro_universal]

Well, now we’re beginning to make a little progress in truth-telling. So you admit, then, that Nasrallah DOES control South Lebanon; part of a supposedly sovereign state, supposedly ruled by its government.

The “government” is and has been for a long time a sectarian tool. It’s disingenuous to argue that this is somehow “unlebanese”, because the Sanioria government is itself a sectarian conspiracy. Hariri may be a poster boy of democracy in American news, but it’s well known in the near east that he was more a mafiosi than anything else.

But, of course, Nasrallah rules in south Lebanon with an iron fist, so that even the Lebanese army has been afraid to go there. He has his own army, rockets, etc., not to mention his agents in South Beirut and elsewhere, and his terrorist agents everywhere, supplemented by those of Syria and Iran.

The army is there right now, and happy to be there. Most of the interviews with Lebanese army show the soldiers speaking of Hizbullah as their brothers. South Lebanon was actually better ruled than most other places in the country; it took care of its people. The Hariri criminal organization in Beirut did nothing but line its own pockets while selling Lebanon’s soul to foreign investors.

“The other Arab states are anti-Hezbollah” Perhaps, except, of course, for Syria which provides it with arms and money. Iran, of course, is not an “Arab” state (though it rules a good number of Arabs by force) but it also finances and provides weapons to the terrorist “state” of Hezbollah. With its assassins everywhere, including in the U.S., Hezbollah can intimidate many, and does.

Okay, so name a Hizbullah “intimidation” campaign in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria, and Iraq. Where is the evidence for this?

Of course, it is a mistake to think of Hezbollah separate from Iran, or which it is a wholly-owned subsidiary. But I don’t doubt the Arab leaders do fear Iran’s proxy, Nasrallah, as they rightly fear domination by Iran.

There is absolutely zero evidence that Nasrallah takes orders from Iran. Allied yes, receiving weapons yes, but absolutely zero evidence of organizational control. I know many believe this, but if you search for proof of the claim, you’ll see why I say what I do.

In addition, Hizbullah is in fact entirely comprised of Lebanese. Nasrallah is Lebanese. He has every right to be angry about the Israeli occupation of Lebanon that killed 10,000 people.

You’re right. I cannot know the degree to which you have assented to the religion of Islam, nor can I know the degree, if any, to which you know the falsity of what you say. I can only know that you assent unreservedly to the lies of Islamic/Iranian propaganda. Of that, there can be no doubt.

Well, for one thing, the kind of Islam I’m currently interested in is not Shia. So theologically, the Muslims I’m learning from today would consider Nasrallah’s religion to be heretical. This has absolutely zero to do with Islam and Muslims.

Nasrallah is a politician, and he’s the most popular politician in the entire Arab world. That’s a plain fact. You can theorize or speculate all you want, but look at the hard numbers…every single poll taken puts him right there at the top.

 

[pro_universal]

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: You are never going to change pro_universal though. I have put him on my ignore list and encourage others to do the same. If he gets no response to his absurd posts he will go away.

If my posts are so absurd, it should be easy for you to post a few of those well-known facts that would expose them to be so.

That you choose to call names instead speaks volumes about how much information there is available to you on this subject.

 

[Lance]

If terrorism is alien to Islam, explain this:

February 22: Al Askari Mosque bombing ignites sectarian strife in Iraq.
March 2: Bombing in Karachi, Pakistan kills four, including a U.S. diplomat.
March 3: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
March 7: Bombings in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi, India kill 28 and injure more than 100.
March 30: Palestinian suicide bomber kills himself and four others at Kedumim Junction in the West Bank
April 11: A suicide bomber explodes himself in Karachi, Pakistan kills 57 Sunni worshippers.
April 17: Sami Hammad, a Palestinian suicide bomber, detonates an explosive device in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing eleven people and injuring 70.
April 24: Bombings at three locations in Dahab, Egypt kill 20 Egyptians, 3 foreigners, and injure 62 others.
May 11: Six policemen die and 12 are injured when five bombs go off in a police academy in Quetta, Pakistan
June 15 : The LTTE detonate a claymore mine by a bus carrying 140 civilians in Sri Lanka. 68 civilians, including 10 children and 3 pregnant women, are killed. Approximately 60 civilians are injured.

The 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings June 25: Eliyahu Asheri, an Israeli citizen, was kidnapped and murdered by the Palestinian terrorist group, the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).
July 9: 40 Sunni civilians are massacred by Shia militants in Baghdad, Iraq.
July 11: A series of explosions rock commuter trains in Mumbai, India, killing at least 200. Approximately 700 civilians are injured.
July 14: Suicide bomber in Karachi, Pakistan kills a Shiite Islamic cleric Allama Hasan Turabi and his nephew.
July 16: Hezbollah rains rockets down on Northern Israel, reaching Haifa and killing eight Israelis at a train depot there.
July 17: Explosions and gunmen kill 48 people in a market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq
July 18: Car bombing near a Shiite shrine in Kufa, Iraq kills 53 and injures 103.
July 31: Crudely made suitcase bombs that did not explode due a technical fault were planted in two regional trains to Hamm and Koblenz in Germany. Two suspects, both young Lebanese men, have been arrested.
August 4: A suicide car bomber struck a market in Kandahar, Afghanistan killing 21 people
August 10: A major anti-terrorist operation disrupts an alleged bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes bound for the United States flying through Heathrow Airport, near London, UK.
August 13: Two grenades explode on a trolleybus in Tiraspol, Moldova, killing two people and injuring ten. ]
August 16: A bomb exploded in a Hindu temple near Imphal, India, killing three and injuring more than 30.
August 20: Gunmen spray bullets on Shiites in Baghdad, killing 20 people and wounding more than 300.
August 21: Russian racists place a bomb in a market in eastern Moscow, killing 10 people and injuring at least 16.
September 8: At least 2 bomb blasts target a Muslim cemetery in the western town of Malegaon. The blasts kill 37 people and leave 125 others wounded.
September 12: Four attackers armed with grenades and machine guns attempt to storm the U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria. Three of the gunmen and one Syrian guard are killed during a battle between the attackers and Syrian security forces. One Syrian employee of the embassy and at least 10 bystanders are wounded, among them, 7 Syrian telephone company workers and a senior Chinese diplomat. Police recover a car laden with explosives and other IEDs. Syrian Ambassador to the United States Imad Moustapha announces that his government suspects a group called Jund al-Sham is responsible.
September 15: Four suicide bombers and a security guard are killed in early-morning attacks on the Safer refinery in Marib and the al-Dhabba terminal in Hadramout, Yemen. Although no group has claimed responsibility Islamic extremists are suspected.
September 16: 2006 Hat Yai bombings: 4 people killed, 82 injured, by six bombs along the main commercial street of Hat Yai. The devices were placed approximately 500 meters apart, and were remotely set off every five minutes.

From this it would seem that terrorism is very much a part of Islam.

 

[pro_universal]

Lance,

If I post crime reports from South America, will that prove that Catholicism breeds crime?

 

[Seeks_God]

Lance,

If I post crime reports from South America, will that prove that Catholicism breeds crime?

Oh…I don’t know that it would be a far stretch to find out that the crimes listed were in promotion of jihad…it’s an implication, true, but intent of the crime is an important factor…

SG

 

[pro_universal]

Oh…I don’t know that it would be a far stretch to find out that the crimes listed were in promotion of jihad…it’s an implication, true, but intent of the crime is an important factor…

SG

Well, plenty of the crimes listed on Lance’s list have zero to do with attaining a spiritual goal.

 

[Seeks_God]

Well, plenty of the crimes listed on Lance’s list have zero to do with attaining a spiritual goal.

I understand your point, but what typically motivates a “christian” (and I’m using the term loosely) to commit a crime is usually selfish in nature…whereas what typically motivates a muslim to commit a crime is typically to become a martyr for their cause.

The intentions of these crimes is really the question, don’t you think?

 

[hosemonkey]

Are you guys still humoring this nutjob? He craves attention and you are still giving it to him. In no way is he going to convince anyone that Islam is anything but the religion of backward people, thugs and terrorists. “Error has no rights.”

 

[Seeks_God]

Are you guys still humoring this nutjob? He craves attention and you are still giving it to him. In no way is he going to convince anyone that Islam is anything but the religion of backward people, thugs and terrorists. “Error has no rights.”

I was merely engaging in intellectual conversation…only participating…

 

[pro_universal]

I understand your point, but what typically motivates a “christian” (and I’m using the term loosely) to commit a crime is usually selfish in nature…whereas what typically motivates a muslim to commit a crime is typically to become a martyr for their cause.

The intentions of these crimes is really the question, don’t you think?

Sure, but I disagree with your characterization. Most of the crimes listed below are not in furtherance of an Islamic goal insofar as doing this killing is good on its own for Islam.

Rather, they are arguments about justice and resources, with religion as the identifying line between the parties. Even the terrorists themselves understand this; they don’t claim that their foes are bad because they aren’t Muslim; they claim that Islam opposes their foes because they are bad people.

See the difference? One statement appeals to universal notions of justice and then opposes Islam to violations of those notions, the other does not.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, for one thing, the kind of Islam I’m currently interested in is not Shia. So theologically, the Muslims I’m learning from today .

Little, by little by little, the guy lets a little truth creep out. Just your basic muslim propagandist.

 

[cestusdei]

I am going to weigh in here. I can’t stand to see pro get away with his deceptions. Go to wnd.com and read the story of the Christian Sudanese boy who was enslaved by Muslims. He was literally crucified. His crime? Sneaking out to go to a secret Christian worship service. Crime in South America is just plain old crime with no religious intent behind it. The Muslims have cornered the jihad market.

If you read Hezbullah’s charter you will find they commit their terrorist acts in the name of Islam. They also intend to conquer ALL territories that were once ruled by Islam. Sicily, Spain, southern Italy for example. Do NOT buy into pro’s pro-terrorist propaganda. Next thing you know he will be talking about how we deserved 911 because of our evil policies. How Osama is really just a misunderstood freedom fighter. He will decry terrorism while in fact supporting it. I really honestly hope you folks can see that and see through his rhetoric. He is not a supporter of peace at all. He is a very slick operator for the other side. I think he has been Muslim all along.

 

[exoflare]

Little, by little by little, the guy lets a little truth creep out. Just your basic muslim propagandist.

True. I’ve seen this little song and dance before many other times.

It is most likely he is a Muslim, IMO… Although like I did state before, we can never be 100% sure.

 

[pro_universal]

Little, by little by little, the guy lets a little truth creep out. Just your basic muslim propagandist.

When has this “truth” been a secret?

I’ve been upfront with my beliefs from the beginning. If you have no other response than to call me a liar, you should not respond at all. It makes you look bad and it makes your position look weak.

 

[pro_universal]

If you read Hezbullah’s charter you will find they commit their terrorist acts in the name of Islam. They also intend to conquer ALL territories that were once ruled by Islam. Sicily, Spain, southern Italy for example.

Hey, why don’t you link that portion of the Hizbullah charter which says this? I’d sure like to see it.

Do NOT buy into pro’s pro-terrorist propaganda. Next thing you know he will be talking about how we deserved 911 because of our evil policies. How Osama is really just a misunderstood freedom fighter. He will decry terrorism while in fact supporting it. I really honestly hope you folks can see that and see through his rhetoric. He is not a supporter of peace at all. He is a very slick operator for the other side.

Same old same old. Accuse anyone who disagrees of being a terrorist. That’s the real propagandizing going on here.

Your prediction about my “next thing” on Osama is ridiculous. First you were Father Nuclear Warhead, now…Father Carnack the Great?

 

[exoflare]

I am going to weigh in here. I can’t stand to see pro get away with his deceptions. Go to wnd.com and read the story of the Christian Sudanese boy who was enslaved by Muslims. He was literally crucified. His crime? Sneaking out to go to a secret Christian worship service. Crime in South America is just plain old crime with no religious intent behind it. The Muslims have cornered the jihad market.

If you read Hezbullah’s charter you will find they commit their terrorist acts in the name of Islam. They also intend to conquer ALL territories that were once ruled by Islam. Sicily, Spain, southern Italy for example. Do NOT buy into pro’s pro-terrorist propaganda. Next thing you know he will be talking about how we deserved 911 because of our evil policies. How Osama is really just a misunderstood freedom fighter. He will decry terrorism while in fact supporting it. I really honestly hope you folks can see that and see through his rhetoric. He is not a supporter of peace at all. He is a very slick operator for the other side. I think he has been Muslim all along.

You know, cest, I’m actually kind of glad in a way that he’s here. I’ve become so used to this that I can spot it pretty quickly. But at the same time I have found that most westerners are woefully ignorant of these deception tactics. Maybe this guy is a blessing in disguise, as people here can actually see first-hand how calculating and determined the Muslim agenda really is. It sickens me so much, because they will even joke amongst themselves in private of how naive we are.

 

[pro_universal]

Cestusdei,

Are you sure you read Hizbullah’s “charter”?

Here it is:

ict.org.il/Articles/Hiz_letter.htm

Interesting. No mention of “reconquering Muslim lands” and lots of mention of “sharing power between Muslims and Christians.”

Did you just forget what its contents were?

 

[cestusdei]

pro, you’re the one excusing hezbullah and the other terrorists. You SAY you are against terrorism, but that means nothing if you support the groups doing the terror.

www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52181

There is your religion in action. Still crucifying Christians. How many times do the terrorists themselves have to state their goals before you believe them? They want a Caliphate and they want all that was once in the dar el islam back in it. I don’t have to be Carnack to see through you. Let me make another prediction. You will ignore the FACT that this Sudanese Christian was enslaved and crucified by Muslims and there are plenty more like him. You will ignore it and try to change the subject to something else.

 

[pro_universal]

pro, you’re the one excusing hezbullah and the other terrorists. You SAY you are against terrorism, but that means nothing if you support the groups doing the terror.

www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52181

There is your religion in action. Still crucifying Christians. How many times do the terrorists themselves have to state their goals before you believe them? They want a Caliphate and they want all that was once in the dar el islam back in it. I don’t have to be Carnack to see through you. Let me make another prediction. You will ignore the FACT that this Sudanese Christian was enslaved and crucified by Muslims and there are plenty more like him. You will ignore it and try to change the subject to something else.

Wait a minute here…you make a claim about Hizbullah. I question the claim, then you cite a news article about Sudan to prove it???

Confused? I’ll ask again: Where is your proof that “Hizbullah’s charter” contains a demand for the reconquest of Spain, Sicily, etc.

Your “FACT” from worldnetdaily is sad, but it proves nothing. I could spend all day posting articles about what Serbs did to Muslims in the former Yugoslavia…would that prove that Christianity is bad?