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puer.dei
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No. It’s still right there in the same place.
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puer.dei
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It’s not the Republican Party anymore. Somebody needs to start rebuilding one.What’s happening in the Republican Party is indeed interesting.
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ThinkingSapien
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I agree. While I didn’t agree with them, I could respect, even in disagreement, the positions of many pre-Trump republicans. I still do (ex: Bush, among others). Now, it appears that there is a significant portion of the party that is all about supporting Trump. The test for inclusion or exclusion into the group is does one support Trump. There doesn’t appear to be a way to be in disagreement with Trump without one’s identity as a Republican being brought into question.It’s not the Republican Party anymore. Somebody needs to start rebuilding one.
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MikeInVA
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So it is wrong for the Supreme Court to rule on whether states violated the Constitution?This is a coup attempt right in front of our eyes.
Is it a coup, or a restoration of the rule of law?
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JButky
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There are 17 or 18 states that are said to be backing the Texas case.
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PaulinVA
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It is an attempted coup. Just what the Republicans accused the Democrats of. Texas AG didn’t like the election results and is trying to overturn them. Or attempting to get a presidential pardon.Is it a coup, or a restoration of the rule of law?
States decide how to conduct their elections. The correct venue to challenge the results is in state Court. Trump and his people have brought over 50 cases trying to overturn the results of the election. They’ve lost. And lost. And lost.
Just read Trump’s tweets and what he’s been saying. It’s all about finding a way to win.
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tomarin
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And also, at some level I think, to keep him relevant to the news cycle despite having lost the election. The needs of his ego must come before the needs of our country, it’s the First Law of Trump.
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Why this Texas ‘election fraud’ lawsuit is a total and complete joke - CNNPoliticsThere’s nothing unique about Texas’ claims here, most of which have already been brought in other suits against the same four states, noting that if Trump and other states are joining in, it could weaken the suggestion the Texas case is unique.
Justices might be wary of opening the floodgates to all political disputes between states ending up on their docket.
It’s also worth noting here that Paxton’s lawsuit runs directly counter to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government, should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct their own affairs.
Explaining the Supreme Court lawsuit from Texas and Trump challenging Biden’s win - CNNPolitics
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MikeInVA
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I see it as seeking redress within the legal system. A coup is something outside of the established legal process. If dismissed, no harm done. If found to have merit, it corrects an injustice. Who wouldn’t be in favor of justice?It is an attempted coup.
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Feanor2
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For the Biden inauguration on January 20th.You are correct.This is the process…stay tuned
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PaulinVA
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Well, it will be thrown out, because there is no injustice.If found to have merit, it corrects an injustice. Who wouldn’t be in favor of justice?
If anything, more people voted due to the changes made by the states. So, that’s good. What Texas is saying is that they have standing to muck around with how other states run their elections. That is against federalism. This isn’t justice.
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tomarin
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It’s crazy, utterly crazy.
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Nepperhan
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I cannot sue in court about an injury to someone else. In other words, yes, it is wrong for SCOTUS to hear Texas on other states’ violations.So it is wrong for the Supreme Court to rule on whether states violated the Constitution?
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Nepperhan
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People are ignoring the real elephant in the room: Trump got less votes! That means he loses!And also, at some level I think, to keep him relevant to the news cycle despite having lost the election. The needs of his ego must come before the needs of our country, it’s the First Law of Trump.
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The other elephant they are ignoring is the implication of this suit.People are ignoring the real elephant in the room
If SCOTUS were to hear it (they won’t), it would open the door to every state suing every other state over “constitutional violations.”
California would sue every state that prevents LGBT friendly lesson being taught in schools (free speech!), Oregon would sue every state that has “In God We Trust” on their seal (freedom of religion!), New York would sue every state that places any barriers to voting (equal protection!).
The floodgates would open in a way that they could never be closed.
No one should want this at all.
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Nepperhan
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Huh? Who will pay the legal bills for the winners? Who will pay for the rise in paranoia when right-wing militias start acting up? You think Trump’s antics have no cost?I see it as seeking redress within the legal system. A coup is something outside of the established legal process. If dismissed, no harm done.
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The last throes of Donald Trump’s presidency have turned ugly — even dangerous.
Death threats are on the rise. Local and state election officials are being hounded into hiding. A Trump campaign lawyer is declaring publicly that a federal official who defended the integrity of the election should be “drawn and quartered” or simply shot.
Neutral public servants, Democrats and a growing number of Republicans who won’t do what Trump wants are being caught in a menacing postelection undertow stirred by Trump’s grievances about the election he lost.
“Death threats, physical threats, intimidation — it’s too much, it’s not right,” said Gabriel Sterling, a Republican elections official in Georgia who implored Trump to “stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence.” Trump in response only pressed his groundless case that he lost unfairly, neither discouraging trouble nor explicitly calling for it.
The triggering of emotions has always been a Trump staple. His political movement was born in arenas that echoed with chants of “lock her up.” His support has been animated over the past four years by his relentlessly mocking ways, his slams against the “enemy of the people,” and his raw talent for belittling political foes with insulting nicknames like “Sleepy Joe” Biden. That’s one of the nicer ones.
But in the final weeks of Trump’s presidency, the tenor has taken on an even more toxic edge as state after state has affirmed Biden’s victory, judge after judge has dismissed Trump’s legal challenges and his cadre of loyalists has played to his frustrations. As Biden builds the foundation of his new administration, Trump is commanding attention for the agitations he is likely to carry forward when he is gone from office.
“I do not think this goes away on January 20,” Eric Coomer, security director for Dominion Voting Systems, said from the secret location where he is hiding out from death threats. “I think it will continue for a long time.”
Tough beans, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said of the state officials who are fearing for their safety."
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tomarin
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He’s a sad little man, isn’t he?
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Victoria33
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This is false. The voting commission in PA has no right to change voting law.Well, it will be thrown out, because there is no injustice.
If anything, more people voted due to the changes made by the states. So, that’s good. What Texas is saying is that they have standing to muck around with how other states run their elections. That is against federalism. This isn’t justice.
Then prove it in a court of law, not personal opinion.People are ignoring the real elephant in the room: Trump got less votes! That means he loses!
Sure.The other elephant they are ignoring is the implication of this suit.
If SCOTUS were to hear it (they won’t), it would open the door to every state suing every other state over “constitutional violations.”
California would sue every state that prevents LGBT friendly lesson being taught in schools (free speech!), Oregon would sue every state that has “In God We Trust” on their seal (freedom of religion!), New York would sue every state that places any barriers to voting (equal protection!).
The floodgates would open in a way that they could never be closed.
No one should want this at all.
Why should this bother someone who would vote Democrat to further Infanticide. How hideous. A complete disrespect for the sanctity of life.Huh? Who will pay the legal bills for the winners? Who will pay for the rise in paranoia when right-wing militias start acting up? You think Trump’s antics have no cost?
We know the Democrats history, 1870 and we know what they are 2020.
That they would push infanticide and are controlled by Communist China and Planned Parenthood is all I need to know.
Sad are the Infanticidists, no thank you.He’s a sad little man, isn’t he?
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PaulinVA
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What I said was true. Texas has no standing to ask SCOTUS to determine if PA did something wrong.This is false. The voting commission in PA has no right to change voting law.
Now, if none of the plethora of cases filed in PA dealt with this issue, too late.
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puer.dei
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I used to think so. Somewhere inside, there’s a lost little boy who’s trying desperately to make Mommy and Daddy love him. But nothing he does is good enough.He’s a sad little man, isn’t he?
And that’s why I used to feel sorry for him.
But now, with Covid deaths pushing 300,000 and him leading an attempt to overthrow democracy, I don’t feel sorry for him any more. He’s evil, and there’s no excuse for supporting him.
Let the flagging commence.
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