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KenEOTE
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KenEOTE thinks it’s that Barbarian just likes to see himself type and doesn’t bother actually reading and understanding what others say.
Because it’s not really about discussing something is it?
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Because it’s not really about discussing something is it?
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Sir_Knight
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That’s a big “if” and just because somebody is a police officer, doesn’t mean that they know how to safely handle a firearm …
- In CARROLLTON, Ga. on Jan 20, 2004 … A police officer arriving at an elementary school to teach a Drug Awareness and Resistance Education class was accidentally shot in the left leg by his own gun as he was getting out of his patrol car Tuesday, officials said. Officer Duke Fontenot was taken to Tanner Medical Center-Carrollton, where he was treated for the wound behind Carrollton Elementary School about 1:30 p.m.
- On May 11, 2005 in ANDERSON COUNTY, S.C. – An Anderson County school resource officer’s gun accidentally discharged Wednesday morning. Anderson County chief deputy Tim Busha said it all started when students asked school resource officer Robert Miller how his holster works.
… Police officers are human and do not have any magical powers when it comes to handling guns.
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The_Barbarian
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Sir Knight shows that bringing guns into schools introduces a hazard greater than that of armed intruders:
But your data suggests that maybe it might be as large a hazard. Thanks.
Yes, even in the hands of police, there remains the hazard of accidental shooting. From the information I know about the hazard, although very real, is somewhat less than the tiny likelihood of armed intruders attacking students.
But your data suggests that maybe it might be as large a hazard. Thanks.
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Sir_Knight
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How does it show that it is a GREATER hazard? Nobody died or was injuried as aresult – which is NOT the case with armed shooters.
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The_Barbarian
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Barbarian exclaims:
Whoa. A neighborhood with a 1% murder rate is “very good?” That’s one person out of a hundred murdered every year. Baghdad is better than that.
Trust me on this; a 1% homicide rate is not “very low.”
Barbarian observes:
And a prudent person addresses the most serious threat first. So in this case, a rational response would be to require every student to wear a life jacket at all times. Nationwide, it would save more lives than arming teachers by a huge margin.
But it’s not about the kids is it?
Our client had nearly drowned and was in a coma when his parents called us. He later died. Our attorneys investigated and found that the teacher in a learn-to-swim class allowed too many children in the pool and was inattentive, not noticing when our client sank to the bottom.
michelswatkins.com/PracticeAreas/Drowning-Accidents.asp
**Fourteen year old Jerry Pham from Milpitas, just south from the capital Sacramento, California, is now suffering from serious brain injuries after being underwater for several minutes before anyone saved him from drowning in a pool.
On October 12th Milpitas high School’s Physical Education teacher Kristina Edwards had a mandatory swimming unit day. Edwards didn’t take in account that Jerry Pham was filed as a “non-swimmer” when he entered the pool for the class. **
sacramentobraininjurylawyerblog.com/2008/06/fourteen_year_old_boy_suffers.html
A near miss…
**Lifeguards are being credited with saving a teenager’s life after he nearly drowned in a pool at his Georgetown high school.
Halton Regional Police say the 16-year-old was overcome by a medical condition while swimming inside Georgetown District High School just before 8 a.m. on Thursday.
The boy was unable to swim to the side of the pool and went under water. Lifeguards noticed the submerged teen, and pulled him out.
The victim had no vital signs and lifeguards immediately began CPR. They revived the boy by the time paramedics arrived, police said.
The teen, who is a student at the school, was taken to a local hospital. Doctors say he is doing fine and is expected to make a full recovery. **
toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080612/near_drowning_080612/20080612/?hub=TorontoNewHome
**Nineteen high school students were killed and 64 were injured today when their bus plunged into a rain-filled 40-foot gravel pit after being struck by a delivery truck. **
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DE143FF931A1575AC0A96F948260
**Doris Erlanson, the mother of Atascadero High School junior John Erlanson, who drowned in the school pool during a physical education class May 7, said she did not know that lifeguards are not stationed at school swimming classes.
The exact circumstances leading to John’s death have still not been released by the school district, but as in many other school districts in California, a lifeguard was not present. **
sanluisobispo.com/482/story/369370.html
Apparently, no govenmental agencies keep track of such things. But they are clearly much more common than intruders shooting kids in school.
Whoa. A neighborhood with a 1% murder rate is “very good?” That’s one person out of a hundred murdered every year. Baghdad is better than that.
Trust me on this; a 1% homicide rate is not “very low.”
Sorry, that’s just wrong, not extreme. One person out of a hundred murdered annually is higher than any place I know.
Barbarian observes:
And a prudent person addresses the most serious threat first. So in this case, a rational response would be to require every student to wear a life jacket at all times. Nationwide, it would save more lives than arming teachers by a huge margin.
But it’s not about the kids is it?
How much money do you think they spend on sports annually? The money is there, they are just not dumb enough to waste it on a hazard that is so tiny as to be negligible.
Good question. I don’t have anything on hand, but I used to have some numbers. I was, for a few years, a consultant for an insurance company, and took a look at their claims records to see about that. Let’s see what’s out there, now…
Our client had nearly drowned and was in a coma when his parents called us. He later died. Our attorneys investigated and found that the teacher in a learn-to-swim class allowed too many children in the pool and was inattentive, not noticing when our client sank to the bottom.
michelswatkins.com/PracticeAreas/Drowning-Accidents.asp
**Fourteen year old Jerry Pham from Milpitas, just south from the capital Sacramento, California, is now suffering from serious brain injuries after being underwater for several minutes before anyone saved him from drowning in a pool.
On October 12th Milpitas high School’s Physical Education teacher Kristina Edwards had a mandatory swimming unit day. Edwards didn’t take in account that Jerry Pham was filed as a “non-swimmer” when he entered the pool for the class. **
sacramentobraininjurylawyerblog.com/2008/06/fourteen_year_old_boy_suffers.html
A near miss…
**Lifeguards are being credited with saving a teenager’s life after he nearly drowned in a pool at his Georgetown high school.
Halton Regional Police say the 16-year-old was overcome by a medical condition while swimming inside Georgetown District High School just before 8 a.m. on Thursday.
The boy was unable to swim to the side of the pool and went under water. Lifeguards noticed the submerged teen, and pulled him out.
The victim had no vital signs and lifeguards immediately began CPR. They revived the boy by the time paramedics arrived, police said.
The teen, who is a student at the school, was taken to a local hospital. Doctors say he is doing fine and is expected to make a full recovery. **
toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080612/near_drowning_080612/20080612/?hub=TorontoNewHome
**Nineteen high school students were killed and 64 were injured today when their bus plunged into a rain-filled 40-foot gravel pit after being struck by a delivery truck. **
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DE143FF931A1575AC0A96F948260
**Doris Erlanson, the mother of Atascadero High School junior John Erlanson, who drowned in the school pool during a physical education class May 7, said she did not know that lifeguards are not stationed at school swimming classes.
The exact circumstances leading to John’s death have still not been released by the school district, but as in many other school districts in California, a lifeguard was not present. **
sanluisobispo.com/482/story/369370.html
Apparently, no govenmental agencies keep track of such things. But they are clearly much more common than intruders shooting kids in school.
Regrettably not. But a quick look on the net turns up quite a few.
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KenEOTE
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Barbarian I like that you have ignored my posts and refuse to tell us what the agenda is that you like to allude to but never define. Can you enlighten us to what the agenda is?
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The_Barbarian
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(Barbarian notes that even police officers sometimes fail to present accidental discharge of weapons in school)
Bullets flying about classrooms are considered to be hazardous. And from your data, it appears that it’s much more common than attacks on schools.
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The_Barbarian
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I think everyone knows. You’re feeling a bit isolated and embattled by gun control advocates, and you hope that if guns are more prevalent in society, there will be greater social acceptance of them.
It could very well backfire. BTW, this isn’t about whether or not school districts have a right to arm teachers. They do.
It’s about whether or not it’s a stupid idea. It is, assuming that it’s about protecting kids.
It might or might not be a stupid idea for those with an agenda to get more acceptance for guns.
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pnewton
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I think you are seriously mistaking the motives of others. Charity should prevail over cynical assumptions. Your lack of logic in jumping to this ill-formed conclusion explains why you have posted as you do. You simply assume facts not in evidence as a norm.
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Sir_Knight
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Bullets flying around INTENTIONALLY AIMED AT AND HITTING STUDENTS is even MORE hazardous!
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KenEOTE
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So you think this is a conspiracy by the NRA to get guns more accepted by people?
I do not feel isolated at all or embattled and I have no hope for getting guns to gain greater acceptance. My hope is that people can discuss something with out going into third person or alluding to things when they could just come out and say what they mean.
For all I know when you say “Its not really about the kid’s is it?” you could mean that its really about keep the teachers safe. Or it could mean its about global warming and that when a gun discharges it increases the temperature by .000000000000001 pecent.
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The_Barbarian
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Barbarian, regarding the claim that schools don’t have money to provide armed guards:
Do they have a football team? Bet they do. They have the money, they just aren’t dumb enough to spend it on risks that unlikely.
I think this should be a tip for you; your imagination is a very unreliable guide to reality.
Do they have a football team? Bet they do. They have the money, they just aren’t dumb enough to spend it on risks that unlikely.
A touch less than you seem to be. Read on, and learn.
They have two coaches and two administrators for what seems to be about 200 kids. So if it was about the kids, the money is there.
My graduating class was 14. This isn’t your day, is it?
“Rural” is not a synonym for “simple-minded.” Those of us who came from sparsely-settled areas are no dumber than anyone else.
My uncle did. One cousin still does. Most of the kids I went to school with were farm kids. I’m not the only one in my graduating class who went on to college and graduate school.
I think this should be a tip for you; your imagination is a very unreliable guide to reality.
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melensdad
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Wow, more arrogant than I could have ever imagined, and even coming from a small school you didn’t seem to attain any grasp of the problems they face.
Facts are still the same, the school has no access to armed police, no funds for police, and you offer no solutions to their security issue that is realistic.
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Sir_Knight
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Clearly you have a comprehension problem failing to grasp a simple concept which was easily understood by everyone pn this thread.
And why should they SPEND MONEY on “hazards that is so tiny as to be negligible”? But if they can address those concerns WITHOUT spending any money, what is the problem with that?
None of those drownings are a result of a flash flood as was your original arguement and there is no school that I am aware of that has students taking swimming classes with life preservers on – it would slow down swimming, prevent diving, etc.; all things that are suppose to be taught during physical education classes.
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Sir_Knight
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As I just said, why should they SPEND MONEY on “hazards that is so tiny as to be negligible”? But if they can address those concerns WITHOUT spending any money, what is the problem with that?
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Wolseley
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He doesn’t live in an ivory tower. He lives under a bridge.
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KenEOTE
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That was mean… show a little respect to those who live under bridges.
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Wolseley
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“Trip-trip, trip-trip, trip-trip”, went the Three Billy Goats Gruff…
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The_Barbarian
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First rule of safety: “Make sure the control isn’t more dangerous than the hazard.”
That’s the problem.
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The_Barbarian
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You don’t need to get in a snit. Making some dumb assumptions about my background isn’t the worst thing in the world.
Their “security issue” is that they can expect a shooting to occur about once every 12,000 years. As you see, making students wear life jackets at all times would be a more effective safety program. It would definitely save more lives.
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