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Todd_Easton
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Maybe it’s time to get some professional help for your friend. This link might help you find someone, www.catholictherapists.com .
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chicago
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Just as sin needs to be replaced by virtue (rather than a mere not sinning), so your friend probably needs to see some positive outlet in addition to attempting not to crossdress.
Among crossdressers, it is not unusual for them to periodically “purge” and attempt to live without dressing for a period of time. But, just like the demon that leaves but returns with seven others, the desire almost assuredly will come back sooner or later. Expect him to fall and give in. But hopefully he can get up again. Afterall, for those who go through this trail, it can be a very real struggle lasting their entire life. Some manage to repress it for awhile, only to see the urges return several years later. It’s not unusual for it to remain hidden or, if revealed, to become a cause of marital strife. Indeed, depression can be a real problem. In severe situations, even suicides committed over such matters are not all too very unusual.
He ultimately needs some kinds of a support system, perhaps Christian counseling, ideally the Sacraments which will help him to move forward and keep his head up. At least he is trying. Stand by him and be there for him, allowing him to know that you appreciate what he is sincerely trying to do as best he can and that he can always reach out an arm to be steadied and sympathetically helped back up.
Among crossdressers, it is not unusual for them to periodically “purge” and attempt to live without dressing for a period of time. But, just like the demon that leaves but returns with seven others, the desire almost assuredly will come back sooner or later. Expect him to fall and give in. But hopefully he can get up again. Afterall, for those who go through this trail, it can be a very real struggle lasting their entire life. Some manage to repress it for awhile, only to see the urges return several years later. It’s not unusual for it to remain hidden or, if revealed, to become a cause of marital strife. Indeed, depression can be a real problem. In severe situations, even suicides committed over such matters are not all too very unusual.
He ultimately needs some kinds of a support system, perhaps Christian counseling, ideally the Sacraments which will help him to move forward and keep his head up. At least he is trying. Stand by him and be there for him, allowing him to know that you appreciate what he is sincerely trying to do as best he can and that he can always reach out an arm to be steadied and sympathetically helped back up.
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Scott_Lafrance
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It not necessarily the church’s desire to concentrate on the “physical” but rather to encourage everyone to be happy and confortable just the way that God created him/her. Gender reassignment basically makes the case that God made a mistake. As far as my knowledge goes, God is incapable of making mistakes. So, if you were created as a male, and want to become a female, it isn’t because God made a goof in utero. God knew exactly what He was doing when He made you. So, the impetus to mutilate yourself comes from elsewhere. You could start with the fall of Adam. You could throw in the moral relativism of our culture. Think about songs that are popular, “If it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad.” That is our society today. No ultimate rules, no consequences, tolerance for all ideas. I’ll tell you this, the rules of heaven are not written in pencil, and God has a great memory.
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aspawloski4th
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how do you explain hermaphrodites then? in my opinion it is God who made the mistake, but nature did. if we use your logic, then things like weak hearts, my wife’s bad gall bladder was intended by God, after all God doesnt make mistakes.
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Dj_Roy_Albert
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Physical deformites occur in nature on a daily basis, so don’t blame God. Remember that God doesn’t work as we want him to, he doesn’t answer to us, but we to him. His ultimate plan for us is to share in his eternal glory, to do that we will need to shed this earthly flesh & die. Jesus told his disciples that they could not follow him unless they deny their very selves & take up their cross. If a physical deformity (such as that of a hermaphordite) is a stumbling block for you or someone else then that is the work of the evil one & he loves for us to concentrate on the flesh.
St. Paul tells us to keep our eyes on the goal as we run this race of life, keep our eyes constantly focused on Jesus our savior.
Jesus said seek first God’s kingdom & all else will be added, so a persons physical defects can either be a blessing or a curse, all depending on how they interprete them.
We learn from the Old Testament that the sins of the parents will be visited upon the children to the 3rd & 4th generation, for God is a just God. Jesus himself said that no part of the Law shall be void, he said that he came not to change the Law, but to fullfill it. I believe that when some one is born deformed or with a physical or mental disability, then that is something God has allowed (allowed, not caused) to happen for either a parents past sin(s) or so this person could somehow give God glory, but however that is only God trully knows.
We live in a “me” society & that is simply the work of the evil one. People say "I should be allowed to live as I want, after all it’s my body", which is a lie, all things belong to God who gives life & can take life away. We can not live as we want, for in this comes pride which is sin & sin degets eternal death. I would say that your “friends” are confused & are giving in to the lies that satan is feeding them. You should be praying for them to give their hearts & minds to Jesus, only he can answer their every need. Your friend is depressed not because God wants it, but depression is a demonic principle & your friend needs prayer. Your friend needs deliverance, & you need to pray for him. Offer fasting & maybe daily Eucharist for these friends, it can’t hurt.
BTW: I’m new, my name is Roy.
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aspawloski4th
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I meant to say it isnt God who made the mistake, not god is who made the mistake sorry. the day I posted that every thing I tougched went wrong
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Lynn-D
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I am outraged by ignorance and the seemingly pick and choose attitude of some in regard to the bible, - old and new testament. How many of you eat clams and other shell fish as well as pork? How many read of the blessing upon the eunuch? Please do not explain to me the teachings of belief as if I must also put into my shopping cart the same as you seem so willing to do. I accept God’s word and not the simplified confusion or dictates of man who speaks as if voiced to him by God. Bigotry and prejudice are not the teaching of Christ. They are the sins of man.
When we die we will be judged by God as if nothing on this earth mattered but for our soul for this earth is of man and the universe of heaven is God’s domain which we can never fully understand.
The old testament is not always the voice of God but sometimes does address issues as orally related by man and his sometimes ignorant reasoning. Pork and shell fish were known to be the cause of disease and death if allowed to become rancid so that prohibition would be a health issue as I suspect would also circumcision at the time. I find it almost impossible to accept the rantings of Leviticus as if given to him by God. As an example: How can God create woman and then tell us women is dirty and/or unclean to be avoided by man at times as if she is diseased as Leviticus states? Man faults in attaching his fears to Gods law it seems and takes his tradition and ignorance at times and adds it as if the dictated word of God.
I dress appropriate to my sex, female. I had a physical incongruity corrected much as a blind man, a cripple or one with other physical faults of birth. God, for his own reasons, did not create the perfect world. He did give us the intellect to make corrections did he not or would some make demand that born one way was God’s intent for all living time? I think not! The church has never denied me my corrected sex or new name when it was changed but now ignorant men would claim to do so.
Even Jesus did not follow in step with the total written word of the old testament did he? He came to clarify the word as proven many times during his short time upon this earth as man. Seems now many men would want to speak as if they too were speaking for Jesus. That is heresy.
By the way, I was sterile before my sex change so how does your reasoning affect me I wonder?
I also wonder if modesty was a consideration for Jesus on the cross as he forgave those who knew not what they did.
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When we die we will be judged by God as if nothing on this earth mattered but for our soul for this earth is of man and the universe of heaven is God’s domain which we can never fully understand.
The old testament is not always the voice of God but sometimes does address issues as orally related by man and his sometimes ignorant reasoning. Pork and shell fish were known to be the cause of disease and death if allowed to become rancid so that prohibition would be a health issue as I suspect would also circumcision at the time. I find it almost impossible to accept the rantings of Leviticus as if given to him by God. As an example: How can God create woman and then tell us women is dirty and/or unclean to be avoided by man at times as if she is diseased as Leviticus states? Man faults in attaching his fears to Gods law it seems and takes his tradition and ignorance at times and adds it as if the dictated word of God.
I dress appropriate to my sex, female. I had a physical incongruity corrected much as a blind man, a cripple or one with other physical faults of birth. God, for his own reasons, did not create the perfect world. He did give us the intellect to make corrections did he not or would some make demand that born one way was God’s intent for all living time? I think not! The church has never denied me my corrected sex or new name when it was changed but now ignorant men would claim to do so.
Even Jesus did not follow in step with the total written word of the old testament did he? He came to clarify the word as proven many times during his short time upon this earth as man. Seems now many men would want to speak as if they too were speaking for Jesus. That is heresy.
By the way, I was sterile before my sex change so how does your reasoning affect me I wonder?
I also wonder if modesty was a consideration for Jesus on the cross as he forgave those who knew not what they did.
Diane
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aspawloski4th
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Lynne D seeing that my pm’s havent reached you. please pm me. Id like very much to talk to you. thankyou
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Kangasaur
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There is a ministry in Oklahoma City called First Stone that deals with this kind of thing. It is principally a ministry to homosexuals, but this stuff is motivated by some of the same, deep inner desires which motivate one to be or become homosexual. First Stone is a branch of a larger international ministry to homosexuals called Exodus, Int. It is definately Protestant, but they will minister to anyone, and Catholics are welcome.
As for modesty, dressing in modest female apparal does not violate modesty.
I think the issue goes a lot deeper than modesty. It cuts down to the question of why did God make me male, or female?
Hermaphrodites are another matter. I suppose, perhaps they are among the few to whom God has actually given some choice in the matter. As I understand it, they could go either way!
For the rest of us, we have to respect God’s choices as final, and consider that He has spoken as clearly as Scripture in making us either male or female. Had he wanted me to be a female, I would have been one, period.
Now, as for privately dressing up as a woman, what is wrong with it? If the kids see it, it has to have damaging effects on them, and that IS a sin. If not, and it is kept private, it still is being viewed by God, the Blessed Virgin, saints, angels, etc.
They probably don’t approve. Joan of Arc did it for a good reason, not just selfish erotic fulfillment. It God wanted to see me in dresses, He would have made me a woman, wouldn’t He? Strangely, no one seems to care when women dress as men, only visa-versa.
I think that if this is done privately, for sexual “play,” (between a man and woman) no sodomy, masturbation, or homosexuality involved, then the only real sin would be this thing of basically rebelling against the sex God chose to make you. As for doing it completely alone, at best it is narcissism, self absorbtion, etc. At worst, it is hard core rebellion against God’s providential word in making one the sex they are. As the man said, replace sin with virture. Let this compulsion drive you to contemplate the Lord, and the Blessed Virgin more intensely, and it might have the net effect of replacing a sinful behavior with a virtue. Fill the glass and there is no more room for anything else. Displace the sin with virtue, maybe? The bottom line is, can you ask God to bless this? Can it, will it ever rebound to glorify Him? If so, go for it. Somehow, I doubt that one can ask God to bless this. That would pretty much be a matter of personal conscience.
Any comments?
As for modesty, dressing in modest female apparal does not violate modesty.
I think the issue goes a lot deeper than modesty. It cuts down to the question of why did God make me male, or female?
Hermaphrodites are another matter. I suppose, perhaps they are among the few to whom God has actually given some choice in the matter. As I understand it, they could go either way!
For the rest of us, we have to respect God’s choices as final, and consider that He has spoken as clearly as Scripture in making us either male or female. Had he wanted me to be a female, I would have been one, period.
Now, as for privately dressing up as a woman, what is wrong with it? If the kids see it, it has to have damaging effects on them, and that IS a sin. If not, and it is kept private, it still is being viewed by God, the Blessed Virgin, saints, angels, etc.
They probably don’t approve. Joan of Arc did it for a good reason, not just selfish erotic fulfillment. It God wanted to see me in dresses, He would have made me a woman, wouldn’t He? Strangely, no one seems to care when women dress as men, only visa-versa.
I think that if this is done privately, for sexual “play,” (between a man and woman) no sodomy, masturbation, or homosexuality involved, then the only real sin would be this thing of basically rebelling against the sex God chose to make you. As for doing it completely alone, at best it is narcissism, self absorbtion, etc. At worst, it is hard core rebellion against God’s providential word in making one the sex they are. As the man said, replace sin with virture. Let this compulsion drive you to contemplate the Lord, and the Blessed Virgin more intensely, and it might have the net effect of replacing a sinful behavior with a virtue. Fill the glass and there is no more room for anything else. Displace the sin with virtue, maybe? The bottom line is, can you ask God to bless this? Can it, will it ever rebound to glorify Him? If so, go for it. Somehow, I doubt that one can ask God to bless this. That would pretty much be a matter of personal conscience.
Any comments?
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Kangasaur
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This is to Lynn-D. I just realized that these posts are half a year old. I wonder if anyone is still on this thread.
I just read your post. Please, please don’t feel that I in any way judge or condemn you. If the Church has not denied you Holy Communion, then it sounds to me that the Catholic Church HAS already taken a stand on the subject of sex change. If they accept you, then case closed.
However, I do stand by what I said about God having spoken in making you originally a man.
Honestly, the reason I am so interested in this subject is that I guess that I am just now realizing that I am having (on a much smaller level and not so intensely) the same struggle within myself. I don’t know if I would want to go so far as to have a surgery, but I could see doing the hormone thing and basically becoming a woman (at least externally, to the eye). I am a very macho man, ex-Marine, etc., ad nauseum.
However, I just “discovered” cross-dressing and I have to admit, I love it! It is the funnest, free-est feeling I have ever had. I felt safe, loved, and for the first time in my life I could look in the mirror and (as a woman) I didn’t hate myself, and did not have any desire to commit suicide. Also, dressed as a woman, I prayed the Rosary, and it was great! I think I felt closer to Mary than I ever have before. Does this mean God, or nature made a mistake in making me a man? I don’t think God makes mistakes. I think we do.
Now, all that being said, is it a sin? I still think so, yes.
Will I keep doing it? I think not. It goes back to what I said. If God had wanted me to be a woman, He would have made me one. And, my friend, I believe that is true for you, too. Do I condemn you? Heck, no! I ENVY you! But, at the day of judgement, who can tell? I really think we are all masters of making whatever WE want to be the “will of God.”
However, if the Church did not and does not condemn you, then there is no way you are in sin by being a woman now. That is their domain, and they have spoken. I think it is a lot like divorce. It is wrong, but not the unpardonable sin, so get on with life and love Jesus more as a result.
I am saying, I think you did commit a sin by changing, but, if it helps you to love God more, and worship Him more freely then maybe you would be committing a greater sin by staying male.
It really is a matter of personal conscience. And that is between you and God. I don’t condemn you.
I just read your post. Please, please don’t feel that I in any way judge or condemn you. If the Church has not denied you Holy Communion, then it sounds to me that the Catholic Church HAS already taken a stand on the subject of sex change. If they accept you, then case closed.
However, I do stand by what I said about God having spoken in making you originally a man.
Honestly, the reason I am so interested in this subject is that I guess that I am just now realizing that I am having (on a much smaller level and not so intensely) the same struggle within myself. I don’t know if I would want to go so far as to have a surgery, but I could see doing the hormone thing and basically becoming a woman (at least externally, to the eye). I am a very macho man, ex-Marine, etc., ad nauseum.
However, I just “discovered” cross-dressing and I have to admit, I love it! It is the funnest, free-est feeling I have ever had. I felt safe, loved, and for the first time in my life I could look in the mirror and (as a woman) I didn’t hate myself, and did not have any desire to commit suicide. Also, dressed as a woman, I prayed the Rosary, and it was great! I think I felt closer to Mary than I ever have before. Does this mean God, or nature made a mistake in making me a man? I don’t think God makes mistakes. I think we do.
Now, all that being said, is it a sin? I still think so, yes.
Will I keep doing it? I think not. It goes back to what I said. If God had wanted me to be a woman, He would have made me one. And, my friend, I believe that is true for you, too. Do I condemn you? Heck, no! I ENVY you! But, at the day of judgement, who can tell? I really think we are all masters of making whatever WE want to be the “will of God.”
However, if the Church did not and does not condemn you, then there is no way you are in sin by being a woman now. That is their domain, and they have spoken. I think it is a lot like divorce. It is wrong, but not the unpardonable sin, so get on with life and love Jesus more as a result.
I am saying, I think you did commit a sin by changing, but, if it helps you to love God more, and worship Him more freely then maybe you would be committing a greater sin by staying male.
It really is a matter of personal conscience. And that is between you and God. I don’t condemn you.
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Lisa_N
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FWIW the inadvisability of sex change operations as well as trying to ‘change’ biological boys who have undeveloped sex organs into ‘girls’ is becoming more mainstream. I heard about a study that indicated the people who had sex change operations still had the same mental health issues AFTER the surgery. As a result some of the hospitals that used to perform sex change operations are no longer doing so. I believe the Mayo Clinic is one of those hospitals that refuses to perform this surgery.
Aside from any teachings by the Church, this sounds like the kind of treatment that will eventually totally lose favor.
Lisa N
Aside from any teachings by the Church, this sounds like the kind of treatment that will eventually totally lose favor.
Lisa N
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Lynn-D
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I have not posted in this forum for some time because of my anger to the responses of ignorant people who condemn without knowing one iota of what they talk about.
A transsexual, (TS), a true transsexual, is not a crossdresser driven by fetishism; is not driven by sexual urges; is not masochistic except perhaps for the delusional transgender element like the autogynephilic’s who extend their fetishism to the extreme of mutilation. I have posted the following before but think it needs repeating:
TRANSGENDERED,(TG): A term coined by Charles ‘Virginia’ Prince, a married transvestite/cd and publisher of the magazine ‘Transvestia’. Although a transvestite who lived as a woman with his wife he did not have a good opinion of transsexuals and thought their goal to change sex was delusional. He coined the term transgender that has become an umbrella term for many sexual variants and/or fetishists such as transvestites, she-males, gay cross-dressers, drag-queens, etc. and many transsexuals oppose the term being linked to them.
TRANSSEXUAL, (TS): A person with a very strong and persistent desire to anatomically undergo sex reassignment surgery so as to meld their body with their accepted inborn mental gender and eliminate the incongruity. Some claiming to be transsexuals are obviously not as reflected in the fluid statistics that estimate that only ten persons in one hundred claiming to have the questionable gender identity disorder actually might be transsexuals and of those approximately one in ten actually have sex reassignment.
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A transsexual, (TS), a true transsexual, is not a crossdresser driven by fetishism; is not driven by sexual urges; is not masochistic except perhaps for the delusional transgender element like the autogynephilic’s who extend their fetishism to the extreme of mutilation. I have posted the following before but think it needs repeating:
TRANSGENDERED,(TG): A term coined by Charles ‘Virginia’ Prince, a married transvestite/cd and publisher of the magazine ‘Transvestia’. Although a transvestite who lived as a woman with his wife he did not have a good opinion of transsexuals and thought their goal to change sex was delusional. He coined the term transgender that has become an umbrella term for many sexual variants and/or fetishists such as transvestites, she-males, gay cross-dressers, drag-queens, etc. and many transsexuals oppose the term being linked to them.
TRANSSEXUAL, (TS): A person with a very strong and persistent desire to anatomically undergo sex reassignment surgery so as to meld their body with their accepted inborn mental gender and eliminate the incongruity. Some claiming to be transsexuals are obviously not as reflected in the fluid statistics that estimate that only ten persons in one hundred claiming to have the questionable gender identity disorder actually might be transsexuals and of those approximately one in ten actually have sex reassignment.
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Lynn-D
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I am sick and tired of those who mix and match sexual deviance and place themselves under the transgender umbrella. Transgender is a social construct coined by a man who crossdressed. Gender is mental or at least was considered as such before the transvestites came along with their masking term of transgender. To trans ones gender is in my way of thinking a means of moving in and out of gender emotions and urges on a temporary basis. It does not lend itself to permanency but as a means of addressing an urge driven by fetishism and sexual deviance. I did trans my sex and that is permanent and not at all fleeting. I see it simply as correcting an incongruity between my brain and my born body. Transsexuals do not become so, they were born as such.
Lisa, I think you confuse what is a transgender and what is a transsexual. Yes, many doctors are trying to quell the attempts of many of those seeking sex reassignment, (srs), and I applaud them. Many who yearn for the operation are not transsexual and the doctors are beginning to recognize that. They are, as I stated above, fetishists who wish to complete the mirror desire of themselves as females yet once they have the operation realize that they did not have the brain gender to match their acquired sex. They simply realize to late that they are men who made a mistake that was very costly indeed.
I had my srs in 1972 and have been married to my husband for 20 of those years. Recently underwent open heart surgery in a Catholic hospital. Before the surgery I was anointed with oils before receiving communion at my church. While recuperating I was visited by the good sisters who offered prayers for my recovery and asked God to bless His daughter. I felt comforted and truly blessed. I am Catholic and the ignorant in my church will not chase me away from my base faith although they may attempt to block entry into my church.
Before my srs I conferred with my parish priest. He seemed to understand and accepted my drastic need to be whole. In 1975 my baptismal certificate was changed by the Catholic Church after I had made a formal request of our Bishop. The transgender deviants have caused so much confusion that the church has had to re-evaluate their position and now have decided to no longer do the baptismal changes. Chalk that up to the transgendered who have muddied up what had been a clear cut effort to address a sincere understanding of medical need.
Since that time the transgender element has linked up with the gay, lesbian and the bi-sexual groups and forcibly and wrongly included transsexuals in their potpourri of confusion. I do not belong to sexual orientation groups. That is not who I am so please do not attach me to that as if I grew out of it. I did not.
I firmly believe that the transgender element has done much harm in the understanding of what and who a transsexual is. Simply because a TS may dress as a female while in preparation required of the Benjamin Standards of Care it is not crossdressing as it would be for a fetishist. In fact it is required for a pre-op to live and function as a woman for two years prior to surgery. That is being by-passed by many of the transgendered who go to ‘quack’ therapists to get letters of approval and then run overseas for surgery without ever being fully evaluated and prepared for the ultimate transition.
If it were up to me I would like to see more restrictions placed on those doing the surgeries and upon those making the request. I was diagnosed as a primary transsexual, lived the two year RLT, (real life experience), was evaluated by competent doctors and even had my surgery in Brooklyn, NY and done by a reputable surgeon who refused more patients than he ever accepted. How does this compare to those, not all, who jump on a plane and look for the cheapest doctor to complete their fetishism with castration and have no real concept of what it means to be a woman. As I see it they are ‘men in dresses’ who took the next fetishtic step.
I am done and see no need to argue this further. I am sick of beating my head up against the wall in explaining what and who a TS really is while the perverts in the transgender movement prance their message along city thoroughfares giving the wrong and harmful representation of me and others.
Lynn-D
I am sick and tired of those who mix and match sexual deviance and place themselves under the transgender umbrella. Transgender is a social construct coined by a man who crossdressed. Gender is mental or at least was considered as such before the transvestites came along with their masking term of transgender. To trans ones gender is in my way of thinking a means of moving in and out of gender emotions and urges on a temporary basis. It does not lend itself to permanency but as a means of addressing an urge driven by fetishism and sexual deviance. I did trans my sex and that is permanent and not at all fleeting. I see it simply as correcting an incongruity between my brain and my born body. Transsexuals do not become so, they were born as such.
Lisa, I think you confuse what is a transgender and what is a transsexual. Yes, many doctors are trying to quell the attempts of many of those seeking sex reassignment, (srs), and I applaud them. Many who yearn for the operation are not transsexual and the doctors are beginning to recognize that. They are, as I stated above, fetishists who wish to complete the mirror desire of themselves as females yet once they have the operation realize that they did not have the brain gender to match their acquired sex. They simply realize to late that they are men who made a mistake that was very costly indeed.
I had my srs in 1972 and have been married to my husband for 20 of those years. Recently underwent open heart surgery in a Catholic hospital. Before the surgery I was anointed with oils before receiving communion at my church. While recuperating I was visited by the good sisters who offered prayers for my recovery and asked God to bless His daughter. I felt comforted and truly blessed. I am Catholic and the ignorant in my church will not chase me away from my base faith although they may attempt to block entry into my church.
Before my srs I conferred with my parish priest. He seemed to understand and accepted my drastic need to be whole. In 1975 my baptismal certificate was changed by the Catholic Church after I had made a formal request of our Bishop. The transgender deviants have caused so much confusion that the church has had to re-evaluate their position and now have decided to no longer do the baptismal changes. Chalk that up to the transgendered who have muddied up what had been a clear cut effort to address a sincere understanding of medical need.
Since that time the transgender element has linked up with the gay, lesbian and the bi-sexual groups and forcibly and wrongly included transsexuals in their potpourri of confusion. I do not belong to sexual orientation groups. That is not who I am so please do not attach me to that as if I grew out of it. I did not.
I firmly believe that the transgender element has done much harm in the understanding of what and who a transsexual is. Simply because a TS may dress as a female while in preparation required of the Benjamin Standards of Care it is not crossdressing as it would be for a fetishist. In fact it is required for a pre-op to live and function as a woman for two years prior to surgery. That is being by-passed by many of the transgendered who go to ‘quack’ therapists to get letters of approval and then run overseas for surgery without ever being fully evaluated and prepared for the ultimate transition.
If it were up to me I would like to see more restrictions placed on those doing the surgeries and upon those making the request. I was diagnosed as a primary transsexual, lived the two year RLT, (real life experience), was evaluated by competent doctors and even had my surgery in Brooklyn, NY and done by a reputable surgeon who refused more patients than he ever accepted. How does this compare to those, not all, who jump on a plane and look for the cheapest doctor to complete their fetishism with castration and have no real concept of what it means to be a woman. As I see it they are ‘men in dresses’ who took the next fetishtic step.
I am done and see no need to argue this further. I am sick of beating my head up against the wall in explaining what and who a TS really is while the perverts in the transgender movement prance their message along city thoroughfares giving the wrong and harmful representation of me and others.
Lynn-D
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Kangasaur
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Yowza!
Now, that was a post. Response to Lynn-D.
Well, ok, but I think now YOU are the one doing the condemning.
You make it sound like it was ok when YOU did it, but all those other guys out there are just faking fetishists who are mucking up the waters for the real purists, like you.
I don’t buy it. Just my opinion. If it is ok for you to change your sex, why isn’t it ok for them to just dress up some, or whatever.
As I said, if homosexuality enters into it, then it is clearly sinful, and won’t fly.
Cut them some slack. Obviously, several people have cut you quite a bit.
I know you feel strongly about this. For some it is just romper room playtime, but for you it has almost literally, cut to the bone.
It is no game for you. I see that. But still…who can say what the other person is about? That is why I said I think ultimately it is a matter of conscience before God.
This is a foggy area. The Church knows what it is doing and how to clear things up. Priests are not stupid. They are the frontline guys who can sift out the serious need from the sinful indulgence. A case by case deal. This is what I think.
But, to be perfectly honest, my whole deal on this post and this forum is not to set you straight. I have a hard enough time trying to keep ME straight! I guess I am really hoping I can get some guidance as to whether I need to go to confession with this thing of cross dressing. I am not absolutely certain that I have really committed a sin, or not. And, I sure don’t want to go tell my priest if I don’t have to. (My personal rule is I always go to my own priest, so I have to face him every week at mass, this is a real deterrent to personal sin for me, and also seems to just plain be more honest, at least for me.)
And perhaps this begs the larger question of, if it IS NOT sinful, why not go ahead and do it? Truthfully, I just don’t know.
If any of you scholars and saints want to enlighten me, I would be “eternally” grateful. For real.
Now, that was a post. Response to Lynn-D.
Well, ok, but I think now YOU are the one doing the condemning.
You make it sound like it was ok when YOU did it, but all those other guys out there are just faking fetishists who are mucking up the waters for the real purists, like you.
I don’t buy it. Just my opinion. If it is ok for you to change your sex, why isn’t it ok for them to just dress up some, or whatever.
As I said, if homosexuality enters into it, then it is clearly sinful, and won’t fly.
Cut them some slack. Obviously, several people have cut you quite a bit.
I know you feel strongly about this. For some it is just romper room playtime, but for you it has almost literally, cut to the bone.
It is no game for you. I see that. But still…who can say what the other person is about? That is why I said I think ultimately it is a matter of conscience before God.
This is a foggy area. The Church knows what it is doing and how to clear things up. Priests are not stupid. They are the frontline guys who can sift out the serious need from the sinful indulgence. A case by case deal. This is what I think.
But, to be perfectly honest, my whole deal on this post and this forum is not to set you straight. I have a hard enough time trying to keep ME straight! I guess I am really hoping I can get some guidance as to whether I need to go to confession with this thing of cross dressing. I am not absolutely certain that I have really committed a sin, or not. And, I sure don’t want to go tell my priest if I don’t have to. (My personal rule is I always go to my own priest, so I have to face him every week at mass, this is a real deterrent to personal sin for me, and also seems to just plain be more honest, at least for me.)
And perhaps this begs the larger question of, if it IS NOT sinful, why not go ahead and do it? Truthfully, I just don’t know.
If any of you scholars and saints want to enlighten me, I would be “eternally” grateful. For real.
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Lynn-D
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I do not condemn nor do I judge. That is for God to do.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. Dressing up is just that I guess but is not what I did as a matter of compulsion or to satisfy some urge. It was a natural extension of my being.
To make it appear that somehow I am not forgiving of others is absolutely wrong. I really don’t give a darn what you or anyone else does in regard to ‘dressing up’. You can walk around in monkey suits for all I care.
Cut who ‘slack’? Those who would wrongly include me as if I had a cousin fetish with them. Cut me the slack and do not bond me to the behavior of sexual deviants with fetishes.
I am not a transgender and yes I get angry when those who are transgendered forcibly include me and other transsexuals under that label of contradictions. The Bible has an admonishment against a man donning the apparel of a woman but nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of someone changing their sex or even of those who are intersexed (hermaphrodite) correcting their sex to reflect one sex or the other. And by the way I was born with only one testicle and no fully formed prostate which I did not find out about until late in my teens. Go figure that out if you can! Many transsexuals by the way are intersexed but were not aware until years after birth. Some never find out the truth simply because the tests are so very expensive.
No one cut me any slack. The bigots and the radical hypocrites made sure of that and as a result I was sexually abused twice, once as a 9yr old and then as a 12yr old simply because I was ‘different’. The stigma attached to those like me made confiding to someone a further invitation to be ridiculed because I should have become more ‘manly’. Egads, how children suffer.
You have some nerve comparing what I did with what you and those who ‘dress up’ do. I did not change my sex or ‘cut to the bone’ to extend a fetish; I did it because I could not exist and feel complete without doing so.
I will give you slack if you call yourself a transgender and do not include me in that term. Is that fair? You include me under the transgender term then you demean me and belittle my painful journey to be whole. I am not a ‘purist’ in whatever way you mean that. I am a post-operative transsexual woman and just that; not a fetishist who has urges and purges; not a she-male who is quite content to be half and half of something that revolves around sex; not a gay crossdresser; not a married man who dresses in his wife’s clothes when she is not about. I am none of these since I am not a transgender nor am I under their umbrella of confusion. I know what and who I am and it is simply a woman who was born transsexual.
Yes all the TG’s are ‘guys’ and I mean that literally and see them as mucking up the waters with confusion. They see themselves as maybe or maybe not becoming a transsexual. Rubbish!!! You either are or you are not a transsexual. It is not something you ‘GROW’ into like changing clothes. It was determined in the fetal stage of development as studies are beginning to show.
If someone accepts themselves as a transgender then I see them without condemnation for exactly what they are, a fetishist. Can you accept that or is there another masking term you might wish for me and others to use? Research is now coming to find that transsexual brains are different. Transsexual male to female have brains that mimic natal females and not at all like homosexuals, transgendered or even any other males. Their hypothalamus is female in the case of the male to female TS.
Read the following if you will and learn something perhaps:
f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ANnFQurhVYLtYEaTXsP9WxEdAROzW9e5AdoxmGe228raJaSfzktzVUz2oqs-29WGUnxl3GEuDDeAQiUTRrsBjg/TRANSSEXUAL%20BRAIN%20STUDIES/Comparative%20Studies%20of%20TS%20brains%20to%20the%20norm.doc
In Christ I am guided,
Lynn-D
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. Dressing up is just that I guess but is not what I did as a matter of compulsion or to satisfy some urge. It was a natural extension of my being.
To make it appear that somehow I am not forgiving of others is absolutely wrong. I really don’t give a darn what you or anyone else does in regard to ‘dressing up’. You can walk around in monkey suits for all I care.
Cut who ‘slack’? Those who would wrongly include me as if I had a cousin fetish with them. Cut me the slack and do not bond me to the behavior of sexual deviants with fetishes.
I am not a transgender and yes I get angry when those who are transgendered forcibly include me and other transsexuals under that label of contradictions. The Bible has an admonishment against a man donning the apparel of a woman but nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of someone changing their sex or even of those who are intersexed (hermaphrodite) correcting their sex to reflect one sex or the other. And by the way I was born with only one testicle and no fully formed prostate which I did not find out about until late in my teens. Go figure that out if you can! Many transsexuals by the way are intersexed but were not aware until years after birth. Some never find out the truth simply because the tests are so very expensive.
No one cut me any slack. The bigots and the radical hypocrites made sure of that and as a result I was sexually abused twice, once as a 9yr old and then as a 12yr old simply because I was ‘different’. The stigma attached to those like me made confiding to someone a further invitation to be ridiculed because I should have become more ‘manly’. Egads, how children suffer.
You have some nerve comparing what I did with what you and those who ‘dress up’ do. I did not change my sex or ‘cut to the bone’ to extend a fetish; I did it because I could not exist and feel complete without doing so.
I will give you slack if you call yourself a transgender and do not include me in that term. Is that fair? You include me under the transgender term then you demean me and belittle my painful journey to be whole. I am not a ‘purist’ in whatever way you mean that. I am a post-operative transsexual woman and just that; not a fetishist who has urges and purges; not a she-male who is quite content to be half and half of something that revolves around sex; not a gay crossdresser; not a married man who dresses in his wife’s clothes when she is not about. I am none of these since I am not a transgender nor am I under their umbrella of confusion. I know what and who I am and it is simply a woman who was born transsexual.
Yes all the TG’s are ‘guys’ and I mean that literally and see them as mucking up the waters with confusion. They see themselves as maybe or maybe not becoming a transsexual. Rubbish!!! You either are or you are not a transsexual. It is not something you ‘GROW’ into like changing clothes. It was determined in the fetal stage of development as studies are beginning to show.
If someone accepts themselves as a transgender then I see them without condemnation for exactly what they are, a fetishist. Can you accept that or is there another masking term you might wish for me and others to use? Research is now coming to find that transsexual brains are different. Transsexual male to female have brains that mimic natal females and not at all like homosexuals, transgendered or even any other males. Their hypothalamus is female in the case of the male to female TS.
Read the following if you will and learn something perhaps:
f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ANnFQurhVYLtYEaTXsP9WxEdAROzW9e5AdoxmGe228raJaSfzktzVUz2oqs-29WGUnxl3GEuDDeAQiUTRrsBjg/TRANSSEXUAL%20BRAIN%20STUDIES/Comparative%20Studies%20of%20TS%20brains%20to%20the%20norm.doc
In Christ I am guided,
Lynn-D
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adstrinity
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Let me just say that I am a fan of Eddie Izzard’s acting & comedy & he defends his wardrobe by saying, “These aren’t a woman’s clothe’s & they’re not a bloke’s clothes; they are MY clothes.”
Now, that being said, considering how we’re giving terms here, Travesty Look to the “Word Origen” section to see what I mean. It’s actually a weak definition here. For more info, actually look it up in a regular dictionary or better online one. Funny how we got this word…
Now, that being said, considering how we’re giving terms here, Travesty Look to the “Word Origen” section to see what I mean. It’s actually a weak definition here. For more info, actually look it up in a regular dictionary or better online one. Funny how we got this word…
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Ruthie
Guest
As a new Catholic, I have found the concept of being given a cross to carry to be valuable. I like that I can dedicate my pain (I have fibromyalgia) to helping the souls in purgatory.
I also have an idea about pain, mental or physical. I don’t know if it’s in line with Church teachings, though.
I think the devil sees in advance that some people will be a power for God. He then gives them a seemingly insurmountable burden, hoping to get them to curse God.
Homosexuals are called to celibacy. Your cross-dressing friend is called to a different kind of sacrifice. (I’m leaving your TG friends out, because they’re not Catholic. Not from bigotry, but from not knowing what their churches teach.)
I do think counseling is in order. If he can find out why he likes to cross-dress, how it benefits him, he may be able to find a way to get the same benifit in a different way. For instance, if it’s the luxury fabrics that he likes, I’ve seen 100 per cent silk underwear for men!
I’ll pray for him. I also have chronic major depression, so I can sympathise there, too. Reassure him that, even down in that black hole, God is still with him.
Has he considered supplanting his cd with Marian devotion?
I also have an idea about pain, mental or physical. I don’t know if it’s in line with Church teachings, though.
I think the devil sees in advance that some people will be a power for God. He then gives them a seemingly insurmountable burden, hoping to get them to curse God.
Homosexuals are called to celibacy. Your cross-dressing friend is called to a different kind of sacrifice. (I’m leaving your TG friends out, because they’re not Catholic. Not from bigotry, but from not knowing what their churches teach.)
I do think counseling is in order. If he can find out why he likes to cross-dress, how it benefits him, he may be able to find a way to get the same benifit in a different way. For instance, if it’s the luxury fabrics that he likes, I’ve seen 100 per cent silk underwear for men!
I’ll pray for him. I also have chronic major depression, so I can sympathise there, too. Reassure him that, even down in that black hole, God is still with him.
Has he considered supplanting his cd with Marian devotion?
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melodieu
Guest
I just found out tonight that my friend’s boyfriend has “realized” he was in fact born of the wrong gender and has taken matters to an extreme to now become a girl. My girl friend and I had some wild times years ago and I have grown immensely in the faith since then, but continue to be friendly with her. She seems to have grown up a little bit also, but faith matters are definately not important to her and obviously not to her boyfriend either. They have actually agreed mutually to call it quits also, not just because of this either he or should I say she now is a member of a very popular rock band and is gone allot and it been very hard on my friend. I actually talked to him tonight and he spilled the beans and I am hoping to talk to my friend tommorrow some more about this. I truly did not know what to say except I am happy for him. Since we not exactly friends I saw no reason to upset him with my true beliefs that would just upset him. I definately believe we are all born of the correct gender and only created to be attracted to people of the opposite sex. NOONE is born any other way! How can I help someone like this realize he made a major mistake? I am hoping there are special prayers I can say, Saints to pray to that might help with this rather than just regular praying.I ask all of you to pray for him too, I have so many prayer needs on the brain I fear I won’t remember them all, as usual.
Thanks for Listening I just feel someone should make a step to help this guy out, he really is a nice guy, just extremely messed up and needs God in a major way!
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Celeste88
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Hmmm…well Leviticus says a lot of things. As far as crossdressing, isn’t that considered a fetish? I’ve read somewhere that a lot of men have some kind of fetish, like wearing women’s clothing, touching women’s shoes, long hair, tickling with feathers, etc. They can not get excited sexually unless they are in contact with these articles. Would fetishism be considered a sin? And what do you do about it if you do have a fetish, psychotherapy doesn’t treat these things unless its harmful to you or your spouse.
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