tg life styles

[Lynn-D]

Please read my previous posts. TG, transgender, is not the same as TS, transsexual. They are not even close.

Many researchers now are finding a brain link that show Ts’s are actually the effect of a hormonal washing of the brain during the fetal stage of development. This does not apply to gays, transvestites, crossdressers, etc. Many now seem to think the indications are in line with being intersexed. God did create the intersexed and I expect He did so for only reasons that He understands just as He created an infant born with a faulty heart, downs syndrome, missing limbs, etc. We can not fathom the reason why God imposes such maladies but He does. I simply offer my pains and ills up to God as an offering of those poor souls in purgatory.
Leviticus also addressed eating of certain foods as well as the negative attitude toward women in their ‘time’ of the month. I will not offer comment except to say I think those preaching’s were more social prohibitions and of health concerns. Crossdressing is mentioned more than once in the OT but changing or correcting ones sex in not. Let us remember that please and not confuse the two separate issues.
I doubt your friend has just ‘realized’ his transsexualism. If questioned by a competent therapist it would, for a true transsexual, be found that he may have hidden it from others but knew from a very early age that he was born the wrong physical sex. I knew as my family can attest at the age of four.
I wish people would simply try to understand that being a transsexual is not a fetish or a desire but an inborn condition that cannot be ignored or hidden for long. Even if I had to wear boys clothes for the rest of my life it would still have been a never ending need to have corrected my physical sex to match that of my mental gender. Had nothing what-so-ever to do with the outside appearance but of being whole.
Transgenderism is a word coined by a transvestite and I understand it to exclaim all of those behaviors that might come under that umbrella term. TS’sm is not a sub-set of transgenderism. Transsexualism was accepted as a medical term long before transgenderism was even coined to mask behavior or sexual fetish traits.
I hope this might be informative and alleviate some of the mis-conceptions.
Lynn-D

 

[bones_IV]

Lynn-D:

Please read my previous posts. TG, transgender, is not the same as TS, transsexual. They are not even close.

Many researchers now are finding a brain link that show Ts’s are actually the effect of a hormonal washing of the brain during the fetal stage of development. This does not apply to gays, transvestites, crossdressers, etc. Many now seem to think the indications are in line with being intersexed. God did create the intersexed and I expect He did so for only reasons that He understands just as He created an infant born with a faulty heart, downs syndrome, missing limbs, etc. We can not fathom the reason why God imposes such maladies but He does. I simply offer my pains and ills up to God as an offering of those poor souls in purgatory.
Leviticus also addressed eating of certain foods as well as the negative attitude toward women in their ‘time’ of the month. I will not offer comment except to say I think those preaching’s were more social prohibitions and of health concerns. Crossdressing is mentioned more than once in the OT but changing or correcting ones sex in not. Let us remember that please and not confuse the two separate issues.
I doubt your friend has just ‘realized’ his transsexualism. If questioned by a competent therapist it would, for a true transsexual, be found that he may have hidden it from others but knew from a very early age that he was born the wrong physical sex. I knew as my family can attest at the age of four.
I wish people would simply try to understand that being a transsexual is not a fetish or a desire but an inborn condition that cannot be ignored or hidden for long. Even if I had to wear boys clothes for the rest of my life it would still have been a never ending need to have corrected my physical sex to match that of my mental gender. Had nothing what-so-ever to do with the outside appearance but of being whole.
Transgenderism is a word coined by a transvestite and I understand it to exclaim all of those behaviors that might come under that umbrella term. TS’sm is not a sub-set of transgenderism. Transsexualism was accepted as a medical term long before transgenderism was even coined to mask behavior or sexual fetish traits.
I hope this might be informative and alleviate some of the mis-conceptions.
Lynn-D

Lynn,
I suggest you read the article on Transsexual’s on this site from Catholic World News.

link

You should read the one on lifesite too on the transsexual/transgender film festival

link

 

[Lynn-D]

The issue that I address is true transsexualism, not the transgender/transsexual type of linkage. I fully understand that many have taken the transsexual condition and added themselves to it as a means of attracting perversion. We fight that on a daily basis. A gay crossdresser, a she-male, a drag-queen ARE NOT transsexuals in the medical sense. They are transgendered or just effeminate homosexuals but know that other perverts seem to equate transsexualism to sexual orientation when that is the furthest thing from the actual truth. Some of the perverts even advertise themselves as transsexual all the while bragging about their male genitalia. A true transsexual is uncomfortable with their born genitalia and would usually avoid even talking about it. The pervert it seems makes of us a mockery that others seem to attach to us at our detriment. Anyone can call themselves anything they seem to prefer, does not make it so.
Our Roman Catholic Church at one time recognized transsexualism as a valid medical condition as did the medical community as a whole. Even my Catholic baptismal certificate was changed to reflect my changed name and condition. What has happened, as your link transgender/transsexual implies, is that somehow along the way we transsexuals were somehow wrongly attached to the homosexual/transgender element as if we to were driven by sex and or fetishism. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I simply intended to reply to the original post to erase some of the misconceptions. How else I wonder might I educate people and lesson the impact of the political transgenderists who outnumber the true transsexuals at an estimated rate of 100 to 1.
Please allow for us to make clear what and who we are and try not to help those who would demean us with their inclusion of us under their perverted banners. Most countries that now have laws legally recognizing us address us in the law as transsexual and never use the transgender term because they fully realize the difference. Might you also consider doing the same?
Thank you for your consideration.
Lynn-D
I am in Christ blessed!

 

[bones_IV]

"Transsexual- a person who psychologically identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing their external sex organs.)

transgender- exhibiting the appearance and behavioral characteristics of the opposite sex"

Judie Brown EWTN

You can’t be catholic and Transsexual. To change ones external organs, physical appearance is a rejection of ones sex, and a rejection most especially God. I must remain firm to the gospel.

 

[fix]

Vatican says ‘sex-change’ operation ** ** does not change person’s gender

By John Norton Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – After years of study, the Vatican’s doctrinal
congregation has sent church leaders a confidential document
concluding that “sex-change” procedures do not change a person’s
gender in the eyes of the church.

Consequently, the document instructs bishops never to alter the sex
listed in parish baptismal records and says Catholics who have
undergone “sex-change” procedures are not eligible to marry, be
ordained to the priesthood or enter religious life, according to a
source familiar with the text.ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/CatholicTSDecision.html

McHugh concluded that "to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it."3 He ordered the practice halted at Johns Hopkins and tried to convince others that such interventions were a misuse of psychiatry and surgery. However, in spite of the evidence, the support for the idea of “sex change” operations has continued to grow. In fact, there have been several articles discussing whether it is advisable to begin the “sex change” process in adolescence or even before.4

McHugh was frustrated to find that those promoting the practice were not persuaded by empirical evidence:

ncbcenter.org/em/0510-1.aspx National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC)

 

[theswaff]

I teach a 7th grade CCD class and one of my students asked a question that I can not get an answer.
Her 15 yr old cousin became pregnant, her family insist that no one in her family have anything to do with her. She is completely cutoff from all other family members. Her family insist this girl has committed a mortal sin, and state the basis of this a adultry and fornication.
My student stated she has always been close to her cousin and hurts her not to be able to see her?
Her question and mine is : Is teenage sex adultry? fornication? a mortal sin?
In my opinion the family has committed a sin. Haven’t they in fact killed this girl, in there own mind. If they do not recognise the existance of this girl have they in fact committed murder? Thats a hole other subject. anyway.
Certainly I do not condone such action by this girl. I think this girl has sereve lack of judgement but to conclude this girl should be abandoned by her family is unthinkable.
This girl in question is now 19, graduated high school, and is attending college, she is raising her baby on her own with no help from family or the father of this child. Needless to say this has created quite a riff in this family.
My advise to my student was, to continue to love her cousin, and be as supportive as she can. I told her if her cousin has not already done so to go to confession.
Is this a teaching of the church? I can not find in the Ten Commandments " Thou shall not have teenage sex." I fail to find the connection to adultry? or fornication. Isn’t adultry between married husband and wife, and fornication between relationships with close blood relatives?
Isn’t this a moral issue regarding being responsible.Is this a mortal sin,?am I missing the picture? If this is an issue of sin I think we have an entire culture of sinfull adolecents. I would greatly appreciate if you could direct me towards scriptues to support. I have a 15yr old son. I don’t want a glib answer I am certain this will come up again and I want to know the true answer.

 

[bones_IV]

fix:
Good one fix.

 

[fix]

theswaff:

I teach a 7th grade CCD class and one of my students asked a question that I can not get an answer.
Her 15 yr old cousin became pregnant, her family insist that no one in her family have anything to do with her. She is completely cutoff from all other family members. Her family insist this girl has committed a mortal sin, and state the basis of this a adultry and fornication.
My student stated she has always been close to her cousin and hurts her not to be able to see her?
Her question and mine is : Is teenage sex adultry? fornication? a mortal sin?
In my opinion the family has committed a sin. Haven’t they in fact killed this girl, in there own mind. If they do not recognise the existance of this girl have they in fact committed murder? Thats a hole other subject. anyway.
Certainly I do not condone such action by this girl. I think this girl has sereve lack of judgement but to conclude this girl should be abandoned by her family is unthinkable.
This girl in question is now 19, graduated high school, and is attending college, she is raising her baby on her own with no help from family or the father of this child. Needless to say this has created quite a riff in this family.
My advise to my student was, to continue to love her cousin, and be as supportive as she can. I told her if her cousin has not already done so to go to confession.
Is this a teaching of the church? I can not find in the Ten Commandments " Thou shall not have teenage sex." I fail to find the connection to adultry? or fornication. Isn’t adultry between married husband and wife, and fornication between relationships with close blood relatives?
Isn’t this a moral issue regarding being responsible.Is this a mortal sin,?am I missing the picture? If this is an issue of sin I think we have an entire culture of sinfull adolecents. I would greatly appreciate if you could direct me towards scriptues to support. I have a 15yr old son. I don’t want a glib answer I am certain this will come up again and I want to know the true answer.

Certainly rejecting the girl was very wrong and not consistent with our Catholic faith.

Objectively any sex outside of marriage is a grave sin. If it happens between two non married folks it is called fornication. We can’t judge it is mortal, only that it was grave. The sense of mortal sin is between the person and the priest and God. We can’t judge that.

A 15 year old is at the age of reason and can commit a mortal sin.

 

[Lynn-D]

Can not be transsexual and a Catholic??? FACT: I am both! The Catholic Church in 1975 changed my baptismal certificate to reflect the change. I was counseled by my parish priest before my operation and afterwards. I have talked with many priests and have been told that my corrected baptismal certificate is valid and in fact one of the Apologists agreed.
The research evidence quoted is outdated and new evidence now shows distinct differences in brains of males and females and it also strongly indicates that transsexuals, (not transgendered, gays, etc.) have the hypothalamus of a female. (< applied to male to female since no studies done yet on F to M). Add to this the updated findings submitted by UCLA and Goren of Australia. Think the world might still be flat to some and they would want to convince us to agree or be punished.
I was examined at Johns Hopkins in the late 60s and diagnosed to be transsexual. Hopkins closed down its facility because of a number of things which included the uproar over Dr. Money’s debacle over his attempt to justify changing a boy into a girl, (David Reimer), after a fouled up circumcision. It failed adding to the proof that it is nature and not nurture that decides mental gender. He was disgraced and so was the program at Hopkins so what they might say is not usually accepted by those in the field.
Anyone can take an unfavorable position and find some others who agree with it because it re-enforces their prejudices and bigotry. That does not make it valid.
To insist that transsexuals are psychiatric problems is false knowing what we know now. I think the reason for the confusion is because the church and so many uninformed take the issue of transsexualism and confuse it with transgenderism and even homosexualality. That is ignorance and a position that forces many transsexuals to leave the church rather than feel they are being scorned and pushed away rather than offered spiritual comfort. I go to church to be closer to God, not to find myself treated much the same as the scorned and discarded lepers that found love, acceptance and comfort from Jesus Christ.
I might also ask why the issue of teen age sex and pregnancy is brought up with this topic? Seems almost as if we are now being mixed in with the act of sex rather than the fact of our sex.
Lynn-D

 

[fix]

The Desire for A Sex Change

ncbcenter.org/em/0510-1.aspx

I do not wish to speak to anyone’s private case as that is unfair and should not be commented upon in a public forum.

 

[theswaff]

sorry guys i posted a situation earlier not knowing the topic of review is transgender ect. I don’t know how i got here, anyway sorry for the interuption. By the way I didn’t get an answer.
In reading the comments by writers and reading the reply, it seems our church is more confused about there position than the individual is about there relationship with God.
Seems to me someone needs to brush up on theology and revisit" The gospel of the Lord is for the Jews and gentiles ." All are welcome in this place." Some of you are trying to decide who is worthy of God’s love and mercy.The answer “everyone”.
have a great day.

 

[fix]

theswaff:

sorry guys i posted a situation earlier not knowing the topic of review is transgender ect. I don’t know how i got here, anyway sorry for the interuption. By the way I didn’t get an answer.
In reading the comments by writers and reading the reply, it seems our church is more confused about there position than the individual is about there relationship with God.
Seems to me someone needs to brush up on theology and revisit" The gospel of the Lord is for the Jews and gentiles ." All are welcome in this place." Some of you are trying to decide who is worthy of God’s love and mercy.The answer “everyone”.
have a great day.

I really cannot follow what you are saying? Could you please clarify your position?

 

[Cupofkindness]

theswaff:

I teach a 7th grade CCD class and one of my students asked a question that I can not get an answer.
Her 15 yr old cousin became pregnant, her family insist that no one in her family have anything to do with her. She is completely cutoff from all other family members. Her family insist this girl has committed a mortal sin, and state the basis of this a adultry and fornication.
My student stated she has always been close to her cousin and hurts her not to be able to see her?
Her question and mine is : Is teenage sex adultry? fornication? a mortal sin?
In my opinion the family has committed a sin. Haven’t they in fact killed this girl, in there own mind. If they do not recognise the existance of this girl have they in fact committed murder? Thats a hole other subject. anyway.
Certainly I do not condone such action by this girl. I think this girl has sereve lack of judgement but to conclude this girl should be abandoned by her family is unthinkable.
This girl in question is now 19, graduated high school, and is attending college, she is raising her baby on her own with no help from family or the father of this child. Needless to say this has created quite a riff in this family.
My advise to my student was, to continue to love her cousin, and be as supportive as she can. I told her if her cousin has not already done so to go to confession.
Is this a teaching of the church? I can not find in the Ten Commandments " Thou shall not have teenage sex." I fail to find the connection to adultry? or fornication. Isn’t adultry between married husband and wife, and fornication between relationships with close blood relatives?
Isn’t this a moral issue regarding being responsible.Is this a mortal sin,?am I missing the picture? If this is an issue of sin I think we have an entire culture of sinfull adolecents. I would greatly appreciate if you could direct me towards scriptues to support. I have a 15yr old son. I don’t want a glib answer I am certain this will come up again and I want to know the true answer.

This thread is about an altogether different topic and your post is an unwitting attempt to hijack the thread, that is, to veer the subject away from the Original Posters (OP) questions and concerns. And I see that you’re new and may not understand that. Why don’t you start a new thread on this question or search the forums and look for other threads that discuss this issue in greater detail? Thank you!

 

[phatcatholic]

Lynn-D:

Can not be transsexual and a Catholic??? FACT: I am both!

i agree with you that a person can be both a transsexual and a Catholic. this doesn’t mean i advocate a sex-change. it means that I acknowledge that there are many faithful Catholics who have a strong desire to be another gender.

The Catholic Church in 1975 changed my baptismal certificate to reflect the change.

wouldn’t the decision of the Church in 2003 (see news article here) mean that they were wrong to do that?

I was counseled by my parish priest before my operation and afterwards. I have talked with many priests and have been told that my corrected baptismal certificate is valid and in fact one of the Apologists agreed.

i would again point to the decision of the Church. it appears from it that it was imprudent of the priests you consulted to validate this change.

The research evidence quoted is outdated and new evidence now shows distinct differences in brains of males and females and it also strongly indicates that transsexuals, (not transgendered, gays, etc.) have the hypothalamus of a female. (< applied to male to female since no studies done yet on F to M). Add to this the updated findings submitted by UCLA and Goren of Australia. Think the world might still be flat to some and they would want to convince us to agree or be punished.

what do you think about this research?

I was examined at Johns Hopkins in the late 60s and diagnosed to be transsexual. Hopkins closed down its facility because of a number of things which included the uproar over Dr. Money’s debacle over his attempt to justify changing a boy into a girl, (David Reimer), after a fouled up circumcision. It failed adding to the proof that it is nature and not nurture that decides mental gender.

regarding your statement about nature vs. nurture, has that been definitely proven?

He was disgraced and so was the program at Hopkins so what they might say is not usually accepted by those in the field. Anyone can take an unfavorable position and find some others who agree with it because it re-enforces their prejudices and bigotry. That does not make it valid.

just because some may disagree with the moral licitness of having a sex change, that does not mean that their position is motivated by prejudice and bigotry.

To insist that transsexuals are psychiatric problems is false knowing what we know now. I think the reason for the confusion is because the church and so many uninformed take the issue of transsexualism and confuse it with transgenderism and even homosexualality. That is ignorance and a position that forces many transsexuals to leave the church rather than feel they are being scorned and pushed away rather than offered spiritual comfort.

you seem to state definitively what has not been definitively proven. the research i linked to previously established a firm psychological link to transsexualism.

I go to church to be closer to God, not to find myself treated much the same as the scorned and discarded lepers that found love, acceptance and comfort from Jesus Christ.

and i agree with you that you should not be treated that way. we are called to treat ALL people with charity.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

 

[phatcatholic]

here are some articles and other resources that i found in the process of researching the Catholic position on transsexualism:

–cathnews.com/news/302/4.php
–tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=609
–tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=599
–pfc.org.uk/news/1999/vatican.htm
–raidersnewsupdate.com/transsexual.htm
–catholicherald.com/saunders/05ws/ws051020.htm
–ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=292057&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2003&Author=&Keyword=transsexual&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=1&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
–ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=303798&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2002&Author=&Keyword=transsexual&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=1&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
–ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=312937&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2002&Author=&Keyword=transsexual&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=2&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
–cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=19829
–ncbcenter.org/em/0510-1.aspx
–firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0411/articles/mchugh.htm
–firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0011/reviews/mchugh.html
–narth.com/docs/fitz.html
–narth.com/docs/gid.html
–narth.com/docs/genderidentity.html
–narth.com/docs/olson.html

i hope these are of service to you all

pax christi,
phatcatholic

 

[Guar_Fan]

Lynn-D:

Can not be transsexual and a Catholic??? FACT: I am both! The Catholic Church in 1975 changed my baptismal certificate to reflect the change. I was counseled by my parish priest before my operation and afterwards. I have talked with many priests and have been told that my corrected baptismal certificate is valid and in fact one of the Apologists agreed.

Lynn-D, I understand what you are saying about transsexuals not being part of a larger transgender umbrella. And I agree with you.

But the Vatican has, in the past few years, developed a hard line stance against transsexualism. This was mentioned by Fix earlier but the link was not working, so I will mention it again.

VATICAN, Jan 31, 03 (CWNews.com) – The Catholic Church cannot recognize the validity of a sex-change operation, the Vatican has declared.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has released a secret directive to bishops and religious superiors, indicating that an individual who has undergone a sex-change operation cannot be a candidate for the priesthood or religious life, and cannot enter into a valid marriage. The document also instructs pastors that they should not alter an individual’s sacramental record to change the person’s gender.

The Note from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith explains that an individual’s physical characteristics-- which can be altered surgically-- constitute only a part of his gender identity. While the body can be changed, the sexual identity cannot, the Congregation says.

Sex- Change Operations Ruled Invalid by Vatican

You were fortunate to get married and to get your baptism record changed before this policy went into effect. In my estimation, it is even harsher than the Church’s policy on homosexuality.

 

[Lynn-D]

I find myself again reacting to close minded articles that are not only contradictory but in my opinion, mostly rubbish. How the church can change its once accepted stance in regard to those like me presents a conundrum for those who now find themselves outside the locked doors of their church. Am I to be joining them I now wonder?
I have read the ‘Narth’ propaganda and its one sided and often ‘we talk for God’ presentations. I have also read much of the ‘fundie’ junk as well and that too I have disposed to where it belongs, in the garbage.
phatcatholic: “you seem to state definitively what has not been definitively proven. the research i linked to previously established a firm psychological link to transsexualism”.
There is strong indications from research done by the Dutch on the hypothalamus and further supported evidence by Goren presented to an Australian court to the benefit of a transsexual that there is findings of chromosomal and biological links to transsexualism.
I find your effort to link me to transgender web sites not ones I would accept or answer. They are them and I am me and you seem to want to link me to that transvestite social construct as if I am somehow cousined to them. I have already explained my attitude about them and the contradictions they present. And your question about the application in 2003 of the churches position having some reference to the past is like saying laws should be retroactive and applied to those in the past. The churches change of stance does not mean it might not change again or it was wrong to understand things as they were in the past. I think it just means different people in charge with different attitudes who may or may not have been influenced by wrong information now or then. If I remember correctly the church once condemned those who preached the earth was not the center of the solar system and it was round and not flat. Oh hum!!!
I agree with the quote, “While the body can be changed, the sexual identity cannot, the Congregation says”. My sexual identity was female from birth and I changed my body to conform to that identity. Every doctor who interviewed me and that included experts on a State Hospital Review Committee agreed and signed a document to that effect which I later provided to those who changed all my legal documentation.
McHugh seems to forget John Hopkins involvement in the debacle over the Dr Money issue with David Reimer. That was proof that culture and nurture can not change the mental gender of a person. They tried to change a mental boy infant into a girl after a failed circumcision and failed miserably and it eventually ended with David committing suicide. Mental gender is inherent and one that we are born with and that too is the never ending argument of the transsexual. Nature is the culprit and has nothing to do with the advocates of gender warping such as the transvestites/transgendered who mimic us as well as other women.
Please do not list links to tg junk and apply it to me or any other transsexual. They outnumber us by more than a hundred to one so their loud voice is heard while ours is ignored. They often take our condition and add it to their own in the hope of giving their fetishism and variant sexual deviations, (and often porn), a form of medical legitimacy. To many are duped by the resulting mix and match confusion and we suffer from that wrong analogy.
(Continued)

 

[Lynn-D]

(continued)
OK more truth! My family knew from the time I was a toddler something was ‘different’. I could not live with the sexual body given to me at birth. It was wrong and for me disgusting just as I suppose it would be for a woman to wake up one morning to find herself with the genitals of a male. I could find no escape then so to escape the pain I took my car and drove it under the rear of a tractor/trailer rig that was crossing the road in front of me rather to live with the scorn and ridicule that has now once again seemingly reared its ugly head. God I was told condemned me and I believed the idiots and accepted their condemnation as truth and my future plight. Later my parish priest helped me to accept the challenges that faced me and the change I would soon make. The church then comforted me. Now those like me are shunned and I wonder how many of us die each year rather than face the social excommunication from the church. Yes excommunication even if not directed by lettered edict from on high.
The church now bewilders me. How is it that we see the efforts to deal with the pedophiles in the church wearing the collar and deal with them compassionately and within the church structure. If they can be helped the church goes out of its way to do so. If they can not then they are dealt with in other ways. But those like me are cast aside and demeaned as if we are sisters of the devil. How cruel and how ignorant I must conclude. How unchristian!
I know what and who I am. I feel it so deeply and profoundly, from the deepest recesses of my brain, heart and soul. No matter what the church might say on the subject or who they might find as allies to support their conclusion I know I am not a male but am in all ways positively female. If the church cannot accept that then my only recourse is to walk away rather than suffer further pain from the close minded and intolerant who would deny me the right to feel as one with God under the Catholic roof.
I was recently in a catholic hospital for heart surgery and again afterwards for atrial fibrillation. Both times I received communion and before the initial surgery was anointed with oils by my parish priest. I received communion as the woman I am, so now am I to ask if it was a farce for me to do so? Should I have donned boys garb and revert to the pre baptismal certificate change to do so and satisfy the ignorant? No, I shared the hospital room with other women who came and went while I was there and I took communion as did two of them. We did so as Catholics and yes as women. Period! No one knew of my physical correction but God and none needed to share that part of my painful past. So now I should accept the opinion of some who would deny me my existence as the woman I am so they might feel all knowing? Makes me feel almost like I am standing in front of the same type of tribunal that judged Jesus. I think some of you should read Mathew 5-10 and 5-11.
We could have an exchange of info web sites but I doubt it would have any effect on those who have already decided on my fate and place in the church. I grew up in a welcoming and comforting church and now wonder where that message has gone.
I truely enjoyed being connected to this forum and the interaction with other Catholics on many other topics. I did not raise this topic but it seems I am left with the defense I presented as an isolated voice. I know I can not accept the church’s position in regard to me so maybe it would be preferred I just leave without further ado.
Lynn-D

 

[fix]

How should the Catholic community respond to men and women who think that “sex change” operations would solve their confusion about their identity? Catholic teaching in this area is clear. It is impossible to “change” a person’s sex. Hormone treatments, cosmetic surgery, and surgery to mutilate the sex organs do not change a person’s sex.

ncbcenter.org/em/0510-1.aspx

 

[Mick7]

fix:
Is gender defined by a person’s sex organs? Or is it defined by the person’s whole being - including his/her brain?

Okay, so St. Eugenia was one of six saints who crossdressed. Studies conducted by psychologists show that between eight and ten percent of men crossdress and that most crossdressers are heterosexual and many of the reasons for crossdressing have little if anything to do with sex. Transexuals are a different matter. Medical research has linked transsexualism with the gender of the brain (brain-scans etc). Psychologists link transsexualism with the gender of the brain. Transsexuals feel they are trapped in the wrong body (get the idea?).

Jesus taught us that what we value, what we consider important, determines the way we think, the kind of decisions we make and how we behave. He stressed in chapter six of St. Luke’s Gospel the unconditional nature of the commandment to love one’s neighbor as oneself, then he said, “A good man draws what is good from the store of goodness in his heart; a bad man draws what is bad from the store of badness. For a man’s words flow out of what fills his heart.” (Luke 6:45).

Goodness can be expressed by a woman who was born a man, because it is inspired by the goodness within. Ask Sr. Green, a nun born a man.

The Vatican, by the way, issued a directive - the jury is still out on this.

Mick