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Fredricks:
I do not see how I could be a Christian and allow such error to continue without saying something.
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Ah yes–in your eyes, you see error. In my eyes, I see someone bearing false witness against Christ’s Church.
 
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Fredricks:
Perhaps Mum has read scripture, took a look around her Catholic church, and wondered how it could have drifted so far away from what the Bible teaches. As Catholicism has drifted further away from biblical truth by adding layers and layers upon the message of Christ, it looks less and less like the church he founded. Thankfully many are finding the truth within the Holy Bible.
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Oh man…Lol. It just never ends.

Fredricks, you’ve been fed a load of b.s. about the Church and for whatever reasons you believe it. Knock it off.
 
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Fredricks:
… drifted so far away from what the Bible teaches. .
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Unless you’re willing to anoint yourself Pope, I find it highly odd that you, as a Protestant, would presume to say what the Bible teaches when the thousands of Protestant denominations cannot agree among themselves on a single matter in the Bible. The matter becomes even more chaotic when the issue at hand isn’t covered by the Bible.

Face it: Sola Scriptura is a dismal failure that keeps on failing.
 
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DeFide:
Unless you’re willing to anoint yourself Pope, I find it highly odd that you, as a Protestant, would presume to say what the Bible teaches when the thousands of Protestant denominations cannot agree among themselves on a single matter in the Bible. The matter becomes even more chaotic when the issue at hand isn’t covered by the Bible.

Face it: Sola Scriptura is a dismal failure that keeps on failing.
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Why would I appoint myself something I do not believe is biblical?
 
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Fredricks:
Let me see then…
I think Mum is making the right choice.
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Persuasive, very persuasive. I just may change my mind on mum’s departure after weighing this one. 😉
 
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Eden:
Persuasive, very persuasive. I just may change my mind on mum’s departure after weighing this one. 😉
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I know my rules and what I can and cannot say.
 
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Fredricks:
You know, you should join the Foundations thread.
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That’s OK, I wasn’t following it and it is too long now for my tastes.

I’m still wondering why your personal interpretation of Scripture is right when other Protestants are wrong.
 
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mumof5:
I’ve enjoyed being with you for the last year but I have decided to leave the Catholic church and get a believer’s baptism in a church that does not weigh it’s members down with man-made rules that cannot be found in the Bible and legalism. Just wanted to let you know. God is good and I have never known Him like this before.
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Thats sad -you are leaving the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ becuase the people at another Church seem “nicer”. You are trading the TRUTH for emotion.

I suspect that you will hear a lot from the Seperated Brehteren you join about how really neat it is that you can NOW have a PERSONAL relationship with Christ. Well you know this AM I HELD our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in my hands and then followed his admonition to eat his body and drink his blood. It just does not get any more personal than that.

I hope you reconsider this decision-one who has been exposed to the TRUTH and rejects it is much more liable than one (like most of our seperated bretheren) who were never exposed to the TRUTH in the first place.
 
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DeFide:
That’s OK, I wasn’t following it and it is too long now for my tastes.

I’m still wondering why your personal interpretation of Scripture is right when other Protestants are wrong.
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That reminds me of a question, why is your interpretation of what is religious truth different from my interpretation? Catholics interpret too you know.
 
From Mark 9:

38 9 John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us.”

39 Jesus replied, "Do not prevent him. There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name who can at the same time speak ill of me.

40 For whoever is not against us is for us.

41 Anyone who gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, amen, I say to you, will surely not lose his reward.

Alan
 
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Fredricks:
That reminds me of a question, why is your interpretation of what is religious truth different from my interpretation? Catholics interpret too you know.
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  1. You ignored the question of why Sola Scriptura keeps on failing.
  2. Catholics interpret within the allowable boundaries of the Catholic faith vouched safe by Christ himself. Protestants have no such boundaries and thus twist scripture in thousands of ways that it was not intended by God. Contradictory interpretations cannot all be true.
 
QUOTE=DeFide]1. You ignored the question of why Sola Scriptura keeps on failing.
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I do not agree with that statement. If the Catholic church were true it never would have failed. Christ promised this. So your interpretation of what that church meant is the problem.
  1. Catholics interpret within the allowable boundaries of the Catholic faith vouched safe by Christ himself. Protestants have no such boundaries and thus twist scripture in thousands of ways that it was not intended by God. Contradictory interpretations cannot all be true.
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Catholics do this as well. Just like official Catholic doctrine is true, despite what many of your priests, theologians, and laity believe, so the Bible is true, despite what man may do to it.
 
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mumof5:
I’ve got way more than 19 posts. I have hundreds. I had a problems when I was registering so ended up with two as I had to try twice. This is the one I signed in with today although I wasn’t sure which one was going to be coming up.

OK, to answer:

No, I do not and never have believed in the real presence.

We have ONE mediator with God and that is Jesus. Not a priest. I do not need a priest to confess. Legalism - where does it say in the Bible that if you don’t go to church on a particular Sunday you go to hell if it is not confessed?

I like going to the other church because I am tired of the apathy I find in the Catholic church, from lay people and priests alike. Why is it that other more evangelical churches are on fire for Christ while in the Catholic church, you’re lucky if you can get half the congregation kneeling when they should? Young people sitting slumped IF there are any young people at all? Not in the other church. And my children are now excited about church and learning so much. Much better than Sunday morning complaining.

I can go to a woman’s study group once a week and I can learn about the Bible. It’s solid. They are actually reaching out to the congregation. And there is a real community. People actually care if you are there or not. By the time I’d been going a few weeks I knew more people there than I did in the Catholic church because they were interested. The opportunities just weren’t there in any neighbouring parishes.

If the Catholic church does it for you, that’s great, be where God wants you to be. But I sense that God wants me elsewhere now.

I’m not making an announcement. I am sharing since I have shared with many of you in many ways over the last year or so.

As far as obedience, this, and getting baptised, IS an act of obedience. It is very humbling to get up and get baptised, as Jesus commanded believers to do, at my age. His will not mine be done.

Obviously there’s much more too it but this is just part of it.
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Peace.

I am sad to read that you are leaving the Catholic Church. My interpretation from your thread is that you are leaving Catholicism because of the immediate human fellowship that your new denomination offers. As a mother of 5, you life may be truly more complicated than many others. And because of this perhaps you are more vulnerable and susceptible, and more critical, than you would ordinarily be otherwise. Maybe feeling “welcome” by those of the congregation is important to you; that they provide an automatic support group. Perhaps the package of presents (OSAS? Sola Scriptura? Baptism as symbolic? Catholics misinterpret John 6 because itis figurative?) they gave you also contained misinformation about the Catholic Church. Are the sizes of the two (Catholic parish and new denominational church) similar or dissimilar? Is your new denomination smaller that allows for intimacy (I am not trying to offer excuses or behave in a defensive mode, just trying to help understand)? Perhaps your parish is as you describe.

I am not going to try to dissuade you. From the tone of your posts, that would be futile; however, I will add this: The Mass is about worshipping God. Period. It is not about great music, people tripping over one another to welcome one another, great women’s, men’s, and youth groups, etc. The Mass is about worshipping God. I enter with reverence and remain reverent throughout the Mass. Apathy may exist at your church, but you don’t have to subscribe to it. Lethargy may be prevalent at your church, but you don’t have to demonstrate it. For me, I do not concern myself if others are not worshipping appropriately. I concern myself that I am worshipping appropriately with all my heart and soul. What do I care if the teenager in front of me slouches? Disrespectful? Yes. But I am not at Mass for the teenager.

From reading the posts, it seems blame is placed upon that which is not controlled and then used as an excuse to rationalize an exodus without having to address reality.

Anwya, may the peace of Christ be with you.

Peace.
 
I do not agree with that statement. If the Catholic church were true it never would have failed. Christ promised this. So your interpretation of what that church meant is the problem.
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The Church didn’t fail. Human nature failed the Church. The Church is still here. There are just thousands of reinventions out there because of the sinfulness of man.
 
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Fredricks:
I do not agree with that statement. If the Catholic church were true it never would have failed. Christ promised this. So your interpretation of what that church meant is the problem.

Catholics do this as well. Just like official Catholic doctrine is true, despite what many of your priests, theologians, and laity believe, so the Bible is true, despite what man may do to it.
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You’re not making sense. How can you not “agree” with a question?

Why is your personal interpretation of Scripture right when other Protestants are wrong? You’ve ignored this question over and over and over again.

Catholics do what as well? Catholics do not purport that interpretations contrary to Catholic teaching are correct. Heretics do that.

A Catholic can find out objective truth by appealing to the Church.

A Protestant, confronted with other Protestants with contradictory personal interpretations of Scripture cannot find out which interpretation is correct by appealing to the Bible alone, because that is the root of your problem.

Once again, we are back to the question of why your personal interpretation of Scripture is correct when other Protestants are wrong. How do you know? How are YOU different than them? Are you going to ignore the question for the umpteenth time?
 
QUOTE=DeFide]You’re not making sense. How can you not “agree” with a question?
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The premise was that Sola Scripture failed.
Why is your personal interpretation of Scripture right when other Protestants are wrong? You’ve ignored this question over and over and over again.
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We believe that scripture is the final authority. I have not ignored anything.
Catholics do what as well? Catholics do not purport that interpretations contrary to Catholic teaching are correct. Heretics do that.
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Oh. Well, it appears there are more heretics than Catholics in your church then.
Once again, we are back to the question of why your personal interpretation of Scripture is correct when other Protestants are wrong. How do you know? How are YOU different than them? Are you going to ignore the question for the umpteenth time?
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We have a definitive guide. You rely on traditons from sources you cannot identify while we trust the writings of the men who knew Jesus. You really should join the foundations thread, I know it is long but is Truth worth it?
 
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