Thanking statues after confession? Idol Worship?

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The sin of idolatry is to set any of your affections on anything other than God. Whether or not you intend a statue to represent the OTG, it is in essence “another god” when you kneel before it, pray before it, parade it about, and give it a place of honor.
No. This is not the case. It is true that God is to be at the center. But to say that one should not have affections for one’s spouse or children because they are not “God” is getting over the top.
God nowhere orders anyone to build a statue of Him or anyone else with which to use in worship.
God orders the creation of many sacred objects and instructs how they are to be treated with great veneration.
Those beliefs don’t have to be present for it to be an idol. You give the statue the same treatment and honor you would give only to God. ANYTHING you do that with is an idol.
I agree. But Catholics don’t do this with objects. Worship requires intention. If one kneels beside one’s bed at night to say prayers, does that mean he is worshipping the bed? It is the attitude of the heart, not the object!

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Did St. John think the angel in Revelations was God. No.
What makes you think not?
Yet he was rebuked for falling down and worshipping him. What about kneeling before St. Peter? Did Peter accept it? Was he also mistaken for God??? It is unacceptable to God. Period. Who said it was?
Nobody is saying it is acceptable to worship other than God.
It is the improper use of objects. And statuary is expressly classified as idolatry by God Himself.
You are mistaken. If this were true, God would not have ordered it made for the Temple.
No, simply looking at it is not idolatry unless you have an affection for it or use it improperly like giving it the honor due only God. Since we are obviously prone to doing so (look at the Israelites as an example!) we should avoid them altogether. That is why God forbids it.
Well, more power to you. Each one must follow her own conscience.
But reverence is due only to God. You show reverence to a staute when you kneel before it. Btw, if you look in a thesaurus for a suitable replacement for worship, “reverence” and “veneration” are suggested words. Even the secular world sees the relationship between the two. Again, veneration/reverence/worship: All are for God alone. There is no need to replace God with an image to be your focal point in worship. If it is used in worship, it is not seperate from it.
This is nuts. If I light candles on the altar, then I cannot light a candle in my bathroom, or I would be worshipping in the bathroom?

God does ordain that we should have reverence for people and objects. It is not the same adoration we have for God. I cannot believe that you would use secular definitions to define your faith in God, and the manner of worship. Who cares what the world thinks?

QUOTE=JoyToBeCatholic;3458111] I’d be very concerned if you likewise treated your photo album this way; burning candles before it - praying and kneeling before it…j I understand that the use of sensual things can be an aid in worship, but I don’t think it has to be, and indeed we should strive to worship in spirit - not needing inadequate, tangible representations of God in order to truly worship Him. … Nothing we produce can bear any resemblance to Him or any of His attributes. I don’t see why your worship experience needs to appeal to all your senses like so. All of mine are engaged during worship too, but I don’t try to highten them with incense and candles and extraordinary music and the like b/c it puts more of my focus on the tangible and the earthly rather than on the intangible and other-worldly!

If you like a worship that is devoid of these things, more power to you, I say. You could consider entering a traditional monastery with only stone walls. Why try to force your preferences on others, as though others were committing sin because they don’t share your nagrosaties?

QUOTE=JoyToBeCatholic;3458111] Instead of having my mind and heart on God it may be distracted by the smells and images. It looks to be a very carnal way of worship vs a truly spiritual one. There is too much focus on us and what we can produce vs God.

This is your personal condition, and there is no problem with that. A very austere environment may commend itself to you. May you be blessed in your worship! But it is wrong to accuse others of idolatry, just because it would be that for you if you did it.

QUOTE=JoyToBeCatholic;3458111] But that does not mean we should try to stir our senses during worship. There is no parallel there at all. In fact, stirring the senses during worship is the opposite of what we should be doing. Even the ecstatic are “senseless” in the earthly senses. The spirit transcends the senses. Encouraging stirring the senses is providing distraction at the very least and certainly is an obstacle to spiritual progress.

Peace,

Some of us really need our sensibilities “stirred” in worship, and this is entirely biblical. I don’t hold it against those who do not. I love the incense at Divine Liturgy, and I can visualize the prayers of the Church rising upon it. If you do not, fine!
 
Yes, you certainly can idolize them, and many do. It’s a hard thing to avoid, but we should resist the temptation. I see parents idolize their little children by dressing them up. I see people idolize their families when they so eagerly pass around their photos of them. I can idolize my husband by giving his opinion first place over the commandments of God. We idolize our unbelieving loved ones when we refrain from telling them the truth about Jesus and that their souls are in jeopardy. We idolize society when we set our convictions aside for the sake of solidarity.

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple.

Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son.

God cannot be replaced without commiting a grave sin. If you had no affection for a statue you would not treat it as though it were God. It is the treatment of the statue that makes it idolatry. Best way to avoid it is to discourage it!

We are supposed to be so abandoned that we even strip away at self. Doesn’t it go without saying that she should strip away and abandon useless materialism as well? Abandoning self is far more difficult.
Well said… Joy… God Bless
 
Yes, you certainly can idolize them, and many do. It’s a hard thing to avoid, but we should resist the temptation. I see parents idolize their little children by dressing them up. I see people idolize their families when they so eagerly pass around their photos of them. I can idolize my husband by giving his opinion first place over the commandments of God. We idolize our unbelieving loved ones when we refrain from telling them the truth about Jesus and that their souls are in jeopardy. We idolize society when we set our convictions aside for the sake of solidarity.

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple.

Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son.

God cannot be replaced without commiting a grave sin. If you had no affection for a statue you would not treat it as though it were God. It is the treatment of the statue that makes it idolatry. Best way to avoid it is to discourage it!

We are supposed to be so abandoned that we even strip away at self. Doesn’t it go without saying that she should strip away and abandon useless materialism as well? Abandoning self is far more difficult.
This is what you said: “The sin of idolatry is to set any of your affections on anything other than God.” Jesus told us to love others. Showing affection is far less than love, so in loving others as Jesus instructed us, by your definition of affection, we must really be idolatrous (sp?). Good thing Jesus said otherwise.

By the way, this is the def. of idolatry out of the dictionary:
excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

excessive or blind, not ALL.
 
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