The 2011 elections: A split decision

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(I’m assuming this is allowed since I read in the rules “Op-Eds, blog postings and commentary are acceptable to start a new thread if they contain links to hard news stories”. And this one links to the 2011 election news in places like Ohio and Mississippi.)

Charles Krauthammer in The Washington Post writes the 2011 off-year elections are a warning to Republicans. The 2010 party is over. 2012 will be a struggle. Saying the great Republican resurgence of 2009-10 has slowed to a crawl.

washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-2011-elections-a-split-decision/2011/11/10/gIQA6Sas9M_story.html
 
And, all the GOP has to do is to continually ask one simply (and often repeated over the years) question:

Are you better off now, than you were four years ago?

Then follow that up with:

Do you want four more years similar to the last four? Than vote for Obama.

Then follow that up with:

Do you want more jobs and a more robust economy? Then vote for Republican X.

I’d guess 80% of people vote with their wallets.
 
At least the Republicans are entertaining to listen to.

Obama, on the other hand, doesn’t even have to campaign. We’ve all heard it before: “If you let me spend another $900 billion on another jobs/stimulus plan, it will turn the economy around, blah, blah, blah, blah.”

Right, Barry. We heard that one before, and it didn’t work last time, and it won’t work this time. So rather than spend more taxpayer money travellling around the country regurgitating the same tired line when we already know what you’re going to say ayway, why don’t you just make a tape recording of The Standard Obama Speech™, put it on the Internet where it can be downloaded if somebody wants to see it, then sit home and relax, okay? Don’t spend any more money, really. There’s no need.
 
Birdpreacher said:
Obama on his upcoming campaign strategy:

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/11/obama-well-use-gop-debates-against-them/1

The Debates have been entertaining. Will be fascinating to see how the Repub. Candidate either tows the party line of establishment republicans or caters to tea party members.
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I am not sure Obama has thought this through; all the Republican candidates are coming up with ideas and solutions to fix his bad and unpopular policies. So please Obama highlight the Republican debates, you would be doing Republicans a favor.
 
Birdpreacher said:
Obama on his upcoming campaign strategy:

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/11/obama-well-use-gop-debates-against-them/1

The Debates have been entertaining. Will be fascinating to see how the Repub. Candidate either tows the party line of establishment republicans or caters to tea party members.
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I think it is insulting to assume the issue of illegal immigration is the only issue that legal Latino voters care about, and where is Obama’s promised comprehensive immigration reform? Nowhere. He has had three years to create immigration reform. His administration has deported record numbers of illegal immigrants
 
CMatt25 said:
Charles Krauthammer in The Washington Post writes the 2011 off-year elections are a warning to Republicans. The 2010 party is over. 2012 will be a struggle. Saying the great Republican resurgence of 2009-10 has slowed to a crawl.

washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-2011-elections-a-split-decision/2011/11/10/gIQA6Sas9M_story.html
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I think Krauthammer is missing an important point that the voters of Ohio made in the last election. They did two things:
  1. They voted down 3-1 the Republicans union busting bill
  2. They voted down 2-1 the Democratic individual mandate provision.
What do these two things have in common? - Political overreach. IMO, the Ohio electorate is making a very clear statement that extreme political positions will be rejected in a general election. I do not think that bodes well for the GOP in 2012.
 
bellasbane said:
I think Krauthammer is missing an important point that the voters of Ohio made in the last election. They did two things:
  1. They voted down 3-1 the Republicans union busting bill
  2. They voted down 2-1 the Democratic individual mandate provision.
What do these two things have in common? - Political overreach. IMO, the Ohio electorate is making a very clear statement that extreme political positions will be rejected in a general election. I do not think that bodes well for the GOP in 2012.
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With all the pain this nation is suffering, I think it will be incredibly difficult for the Democrats to sell anything right now. This era is worse than the Carter days–at least in perceptions.

I believe a Republican candidate (likely Romney) only needs to appear fiscally sounds, to win in 2012.
 
Now that, in retrospect, Jimmy Carter’s presidency looks much better, I hear he’s considering a run in '12.
 
irishpatrick said:
With all the pain this nation is suffering, I think it will be incredibly difficult for the Democrats to sell anything right now. This era is worse than the Carter days–at least in perceptions.

I believe a Republican candidate (likely Romney) only needs to appear fiscally sounds, to win in 2012.
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Which makes my point - it does not bode well for the GOP if Romney wins the nomination. That will mean the choice in 2012 will be between a two men who support unrestricted tax-payer funded abortion.
 
bellasbane said:
Which makes my point - it does not bode well for the GOP if Romney wins the nomination. That will mean the choice in 2012 will be between a two men who support unrestricted tax-payer funded abortion.
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Romney does NOT support abortion and he is very fiscally sound.

My choice is Santorum, but I cannot get hardly anyone to join me.
 
irishpatrick said:
Romney does NOT support abortion and he is very fiscally sound.

My choice is Santorum, but I cannot get hardly anyone to join me.
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Well, I did look at Santorum’s website after reading one of your posts, and was pleased to discover his daughter’s name is “Bella”! I was quite moved by her story. She’s beautiful!

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=1367&pictureid=10707
Bella Santorum

I would prefer Santorum over Romney any day. Romney may SAY he does not support abortion, but those are just words. Look what he did to us in Massachusetts! If you can find a quote where he condemns the provision in Romneycare that currently provides unrestricted tax payer funded abortion, let me know.
 
bellasbane said:
the Ohio electorate is making a very clear statement that extreme political positions will be rejected in a general election. I do not think that bodes well for the GOP in 2012.
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I don’t think so either.
 
It wasn’t widely reported, but Democrats lost a lot of local elections in Long Island that had been trending Democrat.

Charles Krauthammer’s opinion piece is leaving out I think the major point, Obama’s signature piece of legislation, Obamacare, was destroyed by voters in Ohio (66% opposed).

Why isn’t this devastating for Obama and the Democrats?
 
_Abyssinia said:
It wasn’t widely reported, but Democrats lost a lot of local elections in Long Island that had been trending Democrat.

Charles Kratummer’s opinion piece is leaving I think the major point, Obama’s signature piece of legislation, Obamacare was destroyed by voters in Ohio (66% opposed).
Why isn’t this devastating for Obama and the Democrats?
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Because they voted in regard to one component of the Affordable Care Act. FYI there was no law passed entitled Obamacare. They didn’t for instance vote on whether they liked the idea of children being able to remain on their parents private health insurance longer, etc.
 
CMatt25 said:
Because they voted in regard to one component of the Affordable Care Act. FYI there was no law passed entitled Obamacare. They didn’t for instance vote on whether they liked the idea of children being able to remain on their parents private health insurance longer, etc.
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Ohio voters approved a ballot measure saying that no federal, state, or local law or rule could compel any person or employer to participate in a health care system. This is directly opposed to ObamaCare.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Ohio voters approved a ballot measure saying that no federal, state, or local law or rule could compel any person or employer to participate in a health care system. This is directly opposed to ObamaCare.
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Right. That’s what I said. One component. A mandate. Maybe they prefer paying higher premiums like insured people do now to cover those without coverage who need to seek care. No idea. I just know they did not reject everything about which you mistakenly refer to as “Obamacare” instead of by its proper name. Why people, mostly conservatives it seems to me, do this, is beyond me unless it’s to belittle the President of the United States. But again no idea. Go ahead and have your fun though if that’s what you want to call it. It’s like some people I think refer to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party. Meant as a slight or something. Oh well. God bless and peace.
 
CMatt25 said:
Right. That’s what I said. One component. A mandate. Maybe they prefer paying higher premiums like insured people do now to cover those without coverage who need to seek care. No idea. I just know they did not reject everything about which you mistakenly refer to as “Obamacare” instead of by its proper name. Why people, mostly conservatives it seems to me, do this, is beyond me unless it’s to belittle the President of the United States. But again no idea. Go ahead and have your fun though if that’s what you want to call it. It’s like some people I think refer to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party. Meant as a slight or something. Oh well. God bless and peace.
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I sympathize with how you feel about the way some people seem to relish belittling the president by using the term “Obamacare” - But it sounds so much like “Obama Cares” that I wonder if it will eventually undermine their intentions!

If the Affordable Health Care Act succeeds - we might well be hearing a conversation like this in the years to come:

“Mommy, how come we get to see such a nice doctor?”
“Because, Obama Cares dear”

😃

Hope that doesn’t cause some folks to go into an apoplectic fit. 🍿
 
bellasbane said:
I sympathize with how you feel about the way some people seem to relish belittling the president by using the term “Obamacare” - But it sounds so much like “Obama Cares” that I wonder if it will eventually undermine their intentions!

If the Affordable Health Care Act succeeds - we might well be hearing a conversation like this in the years to come:

“Mommy, how come we get to see such a nice doctor?”
“Because, Obama Cares dear”

😃

Hope that doesn’t cause some folks to go into an apoplectic fit. 🍿
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Oh, brother. :rolleyes:
 
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