The 2012 GOP Presidential Field Is Set

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CMatt25 said:
Ishii, why don’t you think Huntsman has what it takes? I’d actually think the Democrats in the Democratic Party might fear him more than Gingrich and Santorum in the ability to draw moderates in a general.
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Just looking at his failure to gain any traction in the primaries. Perhaps he’s too nice in an election year in which the partisans are too angry to consider a candidate who was part of the Obama administration. On paper, I think Huntsman would be a fine president. He’s pro-life, etc. But he is boring and we need someone who can communicate effectively why we need to dump Obama. If he can’t do that during the nomination process, then why would we think he’d be good during the general election against Obama? I think Romney might be able to draw moderates. We’ll have to wait and see.

Ishii
 
TropicalTribe said:
I’m not sure what you are saying about Huntman either. What does “Don’t understand you here” mean?
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I said, “I don’t understand you here” because you wrote that perhaps he’s the best candidate, then you turned around and said, “I don’t know enough in detail about him”. How can you say he’s the best candidate yet “not know enough to support him” ?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Just looking at his failure to gain any traction in the primaries. Perhaps he’s too nice in an election year in which the partisans are too angry to consider a candidate who was part of the Obama administration. On paper, I think Huntsman would be a fine president. He’s pro-life, etc. But he is boring and we need someone who can communicate effectively why we need to dump Obama. If he can’t do that during the nomination process, then why would we think he’d be good during the general election against Obama? I think Romney might be able to draw moderates. We’ll have to wait and see.

Ishii
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Yes Ishii but the last I looked Rick Santorum wasn’t exactly gaining a lot of traction and you listed him among your 3 who have what it takes. And Newt, though while yes some say he is poised to become the next anti Romney candidate, wasn’t exactly at the level of Cain and your guy Romney in the polls.
 
CMatt25 said:
Yes Ishii but the last I looked though Rick Santorum wasn’t exactly gaining a lot of traction and you listed him among your 3 who have what it takes. 🤷
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If you look more closely at my post I think you’d find that I was speaking to his capacity to effectively serve as president if he were to by some fluke to win, as opposed to some of the others like Bachmann, Cain, or Paul who I don’t think have the experience/gravitas. I wasn’t commenting on his chances of winning the nomination, but specifically on whether he is ready to be president. Sorry if I was vague.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
If you look more closely at my post I think you’d find that I was speaking to his capacity to effectively serve as president if he were to by some fluke to win, as opposed to some of the others like Bachmann, Cain, or Paul who I don’t think have the experience/gravitas. I wasn’t commenting on his chances of winning the nomination, but specifically on whether he is ready to be president. Sorry if I was vague.

Ishii
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So why then don’t you think Huntsman has the capacity to serve if by some fluke he is the GOP nominee and wins the Presidency?
 
Good to see Newt is moving right along in this poll and into a space where he is starting to be noticed.

His problem has never been ideas but personality. I wonder if his reptilian name has anything to do with the way he is so often perceived?
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I would love for it to be either Newt or Herman Cain, but realistically I know it will probably end up being Romney. Despite my reservations about his commitment to Christian, conservative values and his Mormon faith, I will vote for him if he is nominated. We cannot have four more years of Obama.

That’s how I feel and am sticking to it. 😃
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I would have reservations about the character of a man who abandons his wife and children when it is thought that she has cancer. I would think that this is not fair to the children, even if the man converted to Catholicism. I don;t see a committment to Christian values if a man marries three times, whether or not the Catholic Church grants him annulments. I am sorry to say it, but I am quite suspicious of these annulments being granted by the Catholic Church. I don’t see where they are fair to the children who have to endure the pain of seeing their parents divorce. On the other hand, when i look at the personal life of Romney, all indications are that he is a family man with solid values and loyalty to his wife. He has one wife and one family. This to me indicates a living commitment and a living example to conservative values. Similarly for Mr.Huntsman. I do not doubt that Mr. Santorum is a man of high moral character, but I have not been too impressed by his depth of knowledge as reflected by his answers in interviews and debates.
 
ishii said:
On paper, I think Huntsman would be a fine president. He’s pro-life, etc. But he is boring and we need someone who can communicate effectively why we need to dump Obama.
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I agree about the point that Huntsman would be a great president, but I think that he has very good comunication skills so I would not agree on that count.
 
CMatt25 said:
So why then don’t you think Huntsman has the capacity to serve if by some fluke he is the GOP nominee and wins the Presidency?
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I think he could. But he would be a weak general election candidate, imo. Supposedly there are those in the Obama camp who say that they fear a Huntsman candidacy the most, but I think we’d have a repeat of 2008 if he got the nomination. He could be a competent president due to his experience, but he’d be a lousy candidate for presidency because he lacks passion, if that makes any sense.

Ishii
 
louis91766 said:
I agree about the point that Huntsman would be a great president, but I think that he has very good comunication skills so I would not agree on that count.
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If he has such good communication skills then why hasn’t he been able to persuade people to support him for the nomination?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
If he has such good communication skills then why hasn’t he been able to persuade people to support him for the nomination?

Ishii
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Because people are not listening to his excellent discourse and he is not given equal time in the debates.
 
louis91766 said:
I would have reservations about the character of a man who abandons his wife and children when it is thought that she has cancer. I would think that this is not fair to the children, even if the man converted to Catholicism. I don;t see a committment to Christian values if a man marries three times, whether or not the Catholic Church grants him annulments. I am sorry to say it, but I am quite suspicious of these annulments being granted by the Catholic Church. I don’t see where they are fair to the children who have to endure the pain of seeing their parents divorce. On the other hand, when i look at the personal life of Romney, all indications are that he is a family man with solid values and loyalty to his wife. He has one wife and one family. This to me indicates a living commitment and a living example to conservative values. Similarly for Mr.Huntsman. I do not doubt that Mr. Santorum is a man of high moral character, but I have not been too impressed by his depth of knowledge as reflected by his answers in interviews and debates.
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Yes Santorum seems like a decent fellow. I just really haven’t heard him interviewed enough to comment on his knowledge. I agree with much of what else you said.

But I’d add in regard to another candidate in the field, Mr Cain, that whether the sexual harassment allegations against him end up to be true or not, or whether we’ll ever even know for sure, that I’d also have had at least a bit of reservation about him rather than pumping more money into his campaign as soon as allegations came forth. Otherwise it can almost make it appear being accused of sexual misconduct is a way for a conservative candidate to raise more money. I’d have paused and treaded a bit slower when that story broke rather than writing a check right away.
 
ishii said:
I think he could. But he would be a weak general election candidate, imo. Supposedly there are those in the Obama camp who say that they fear a Huntsman candidacy the most, but I think we’d have a repeat of 2008 if he got the nomination. He could be a competent president due to his experience, but he’d be a lousy candidate for presidency because he lacks passion, if that makes any sense.

Ishii
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Ishii, if I were involved in the Obama camp, Huntsman is who I would fear the most and then I guess Romney if I had to pick a 2nd. The rest of the bunch I’m not convinced could get enough moderate support to win a general even in this economy. But whomever in the field is nominated, like you said we’ll know in a year. On that we can agree. 👍
 
louis91766 said:
Because people are not listening to his excellent discourse and he is not given equal time in the debates.
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I know I actually feel sorry for the guy. He was governor of a conservative state and yet they seemed to tune him out before the campaign even started.
 
MMMMMHHMMMM

Who’s number 1 in the poll??

NEWT GINGRICH THAT’S WHO!!!

NEWT ALL THE WAY

[time sensitive statement :rolleyes:]

Newt= 18 votes
Cain= 17 votes
Paul= 16 votes
Romney= 15 votes

It’s time to talk about Gingrich in the political threads now baby!!! WOOT :egyptian::dancing:
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
After watching this video, I am thinking that I am about to join the Gingrich camp. Romney can’t give you this. Perry can’t give you this. Even Ron Paul, whom I love for changing the debate in this country about economics and economic policy, can’t give you this.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qtjfMjjce2Y#!
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I agree, Scott. All things considered, I believe he is the right man for the job to fix this country.
 
I am impressed by Gingrich. He has been consistent in debating, he was magnificent in the CNBC debate. Can you imagine him in match up debate against Obama? 😃
 
louis91766 said:
I would have reservations about the character of a man who abandons his wife and children when it is thought that she has cancer. I would think that this is not fair to the children, even if the man converted to Catholicism. I don;t see a committment to Christian values if a man marries three times, whether or not the Catholic Church grants him annulments. I am sorry to say it, but I am quite suspicious of these annulments being granted by the Catholic Church. I don’t see where they are fair to the children who have to endure the pain of seeing their parents divorce. On the other hand, when i look at the personal life of Romney, all indications are that he is a family man with solid values and loyalty to his wife. He has one wife and one family. This to me indicates a living commitment and a living example to conservative values. Similarly for Mr.Huntsman. I do not doubt that Mr. Santorum is a man of high moral character, but I have not been too impressed by his depth of knowledge as reflected by his answers in interviews and debates.
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So, you don’t believe that Paul had a sincere conversion of heart on the road to Damascus either, then? Apparently, once a vile sinner, always a vile sinner with no chance of redemption.
 
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