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myfavoritmartin
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who’s UR?
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MarcoPolo
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I think you’re a fair guy tobinator, for what it’s worth.
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tobinatorstark
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I’ll try this again. You say were deceitful. You have NOT explained why it is deceit and you ultimately avoid the question “Why is it deceitful?” I am not saying that there is 33,000 denominations and I am not saying there is 9000 denominations. The link you provided is Catholic, but it doesn’t use Catholic research, just Protestant research. Anything outside Catholicism is a denomination. Wouldn’t the data be more accurate if the data was compiled by Catholic research?? Being deceitful is intending to lead one down a wrong path. How is asserting a number on how many denominations there. We aren’t leading you to down a wrong path. The whole point is that everything outside the Catholic Church is a denomination and anything more than God’s Church is too many. Explain to me how we are deceiving you?? BTW I never asserted in any post that I support that 33000 is a lie or 9000 is a lie. I just wanted to know how many you thought existed and why you think we are deceiving you. You have asserted that you believe that there is 9000 denominations, but you have no proof that 30000 is deception and that we are leading you down a wrong path.
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Chaldean_Rite
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UR = you are
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tobinatorstark
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False again. We are called to be members of his body and not to leave or fall away. When we fall away we fall from Christ’s church that he founded in 33. Who we voted for President is irrelevant to the discussion on 33000 denominations debate
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tobinatorstark
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Thank you. I think you fair as wellI think you’re a fair guy tobinator, for what it’s worth.
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VociMike
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Umm…yes, they should. You mean they don’t?
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VociMike
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It’s called sin and/or ignorance. I know you’ve heard of them.
But since we’re asking if…why questions, if Christians are in Christ, why do 100% of them sin?
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tobinatorstark
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I don’t think he hasIt’s called sin and/or ignorance. I know you’ve heard of them.
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myfavoritmartin
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I said anyone usng the apologist argument of 33,000 is being deceitful because they source they claimed to draw it from NEVER said it.
Because they (Ray and Staples) specifically claim they got this information from the oxford christian dictionary but its NOT in there…That is deceit to orward a cause.
Then why are you arguing? I am simply saying apologist using this claim and source the oxford book are deceitful and I don’t think you’ll find another respectable source being cited.
You think a place like oxford is going to put out bogus information
don’t think many institutions would last long doing that…Which version?, which rite?
Why would proetestants lie to themselves…Nothing to gain SO…NO
So saying something that isn’t true and using a source that won’t back your statement is NOT deceit???
I have clearly shown that the source THESE guys attach to the 33,000 does not support their assertion.
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MarcoPolo
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The rites do not vary in doctrine, only custom and disciplines. So any group knowingly denying a defined doctrine excommunicates themselves from the Catholic Church.
Another good indicator is what Cyprian once said: the bishop of Rome is the source of unity. So any rite or denomination rejecting to the Pope is out of full communion with the Catholic Church.
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DD2007
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Correction, out of communion with the Roman Catholic denomination.The rites do not vary in doctrine, only custom and disciplines. So any group knowingly denying a defined doctrine excommunicates themselves from the Catholic Church.
Another good indicator is what Cyprian once said: the bishop of Rome is the source of unity. So any rite or denomination rejecting to the Pope is out of full communion with the Catholic Church.
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tobinatorstark
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I can find non Catholic sources saying that there are over 33000 denominations and prove you wrong yet.I said anyone usng the apologist argument of 33,000 is being deceitful because they source they claimed to draw it from NEVER said it.
What if someone aseerts to 33000 denominations based on what they heard not specifically based on the apologist argument??
Because they (Ray and Staples) specifically claim they got this information from the oxford christian dictionary but its NOT in there…That is deceit to orward a cause.
The link you provided from Ray and Staples has words chopped of and such. So how you know didn’t miss any key words or phrases.
Then why are you arguing? I am simply saying apologist using this claim and source the oxford book are deceitful and I don’t think you’ll find another respectable source being cited.
You think a place like oxford is going to put out bogus information
It could be possible. Jack Chick Tracts are filled with bogus information and his little society keeps feeding lies
Which version?, which rite?
Catholicism is Catholicism. There is only one version of Catholicism. All rites that are in communion with Rome is Catholicism anything else is of Protestant or schism origin
Why would proetestants lie to themselves…Nothing to gain SO…NO
We never said anything about Protestants lying to themselves
So saying something that isn’t true and using a source that won’t back your statement is NOT deceit???
Things work in different ways. We aren’t leading you down a wrong path that is detrimental to your faith are we?? Just because it isn’t true doesn’t always mean deceit. Your claim of deceit is because some don’t necessarily agree with you. If I told you that 2-2=1 and provided a logical source that proves 2-2=1 and not zero does that count as deceit?
I have clearly shown that the source THESE guys attach to the 33,000 does not support their assertion.
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Soutane
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Whether its 5,000,15,0000,22,000 or 33,000.It’s one + too many.It agitates Protestants and it should as it puts the lie to the claim that all of the myriad numbers of Protestant sects were founded by God,and not men.
Christ prayed in Gethsemene that we would all be one.
It’s one of the many achille’s heels of Protestantism.
When will Protestants stop propagating the falsehood that we worship Mary?
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tobinatorstark
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I agree thereThe rites do not vary in doctrine, only custom and disciplines. So any group knowingly denying a defined doctrine excommunicates themselves from the Catholic Church.
Another good indicator is what Cyprian once said: the bishop of Rome is the source of unity. So any rite or denomination rejecting to the Pope is out of full communion with the Catholic Church.
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SailorGabe
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More than 1 is too many. It doesn’t matter if it’s 2 or 2 million Protestants squabbling over the real meaning of a scripture verse or the Eucharistic sacrament. How many protestant denominations are there? I’m not being sarcastic, but if there is a LIE going around about how many denominations there really are, then I would want to know the real number/statistic and not carelessly push this important issue aside.
I would start by asking myself, “Is more than 1 really too many?”
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tobinatorstark
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They won’t
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DD2007
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Probably as soon as Catholics stop making it look like they do.
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Soutane
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Does your perception matter more than God’s?Probably as soon as Catholics stop making it look like they do.
I think not.
Funnily enough you just proved tobinator’s statement.
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DD2007
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That perception is the number 1 reason people stay away from the Catholic Faith.Does your perception matter more than God’s?
I think not.
Funnily enough you just proved tobinator’s statement.
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