The absurdity of atheism

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**It reflects on the atheist because it implies he **knows why that claim is false. So far you have not explained the source of your knowledge. How exactly do you know God doesn’t exist?

That’s what i am trying to explain to you, i don’t know there is no god. I reject all the gods posited so far.

An emotional reaction? 🙂

Noooooooooooooooooooo, a reaction based on the lack of evidence.

*If an atheist rejects the claims that God exists and nothing more he has nothing more to say…
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Exactly, however some choose to say things based on other beliefs they AS INDIVIDUALS hold. This does not reflect on their atheism but on their own individual beliefs. Understand?
 
tonyrey said:
  1. How do you **know **the Creator is make-believe?
  2. What are your criteria of evidence for the existence of something or some one?
  3. What is the foundation of the knowledge you have?
If you cannot or will not answer these questions your happiness not to know everything is based on blind faith - that atheism is true…

The statement “we just don’t know everything at this point” implies that one day “we” shall know everything… Scientifically? 🙂
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I thought you had finally grasped what atheism is. It’s clear now that you don’t - you just happened to type some words in an order that gave the impression that you understood.

You clearly don’t. There’s no point my repeating myself - just read back through the posts. Try to avoid your obvious inclination to infer statements that are not made.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
**It reflects on the atheist because it implies he **knows ****why that claim is false. So far you have not explained the source of your knowledge. How exactly do you know God doesn’t exist?

That’s what i am trying to explain to you, i don’t know there is no god. I reject all the gods posited so far.

An emotional reaction? 🙂

Noooooooooooooooooooo, a reaction based on the lack of evidence.

If an atheist rejects the claims that God exists and nothing more he has nothing more to say…

Exactly, however some choose to say things based on other beliefs they AS INDIVIDUALS* hold. This does not reflect on their atheism but on their own individual beliefs. Understand?
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Mate, I’m not sure there’s any point. Tonyrey is obviously arguing for its own sake, rather than to seriously debate anything. Atheism can’t be defined any more clearly than you and I have together stated it, and Tonyrey’s continued insistence on asking for evidence that atheists don’t claim to be able to provide, just exposes his lack of intelligence, or integrity, or both.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
tonyrey;5471456:
The ONLY thing atheism says about a person is they reject the claims of gods posited by man. THATS IT NOTHING MORE!
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Q. Does the atheist accept the possibility there may, in fact, be a superior being who knows all and created all?

My thoughts: If the answer to this is “no”, it appears to me to reflect a certain degree of excessive pride on the atheist part that he can in fact know this for sure.

If the answer is “yes”, I’d think it would necessitate further reflection and study on the part of the atheist to understand why he may have been created and what may be his purpose.

Q. Only applies if the answer to the above is “yes”. Wouldn’t the atheist accept the idea that if in fact there is a God (or higher being of some sort), that the atheist should humble himself to this higher being simply because the atheist is obviously a much lesser creature then the creator? And wouldn’t this embark on a deep exploration so as not to take his (the atheist) responsibility too lightly in the eyes of this higher power?

My thoughts: Doubt, even deep profound agonizing doubt I can understand. Rejection of all proposed answers I cannot understand. Simply because it is non-sensical to me that if there is a h igher power, this higher power would elect to remain unknown to us. Evasive, I can agonize over to a degree but (also to a degree) understand. This to me is why Christianity makes the most sense. The Christian believes He revealed Himself to us. There is evidence of this which brings me to my last question.

Q. What evidence would be sufficient…and why is it a requirement?

–Mike
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Q. Does the atheist accept the possibility there may, in fact, be a superior being who knows all and created all?

There “could” be. However it is utterly pointless to specluate, for there is no evidence either way.

**Q. Only applies if the answer to the above is “yes”. Wouldn’t the atheist accept the idea that if in fact there is a God (or higher being of some sort), that the atheist should humble himself to this higher being simply because the atheist is obviously a much lesser creature then the creator? And wouldn’t this embark on a deep exploration so as not to take his (the atheist) responsibility too lightly in the eyes of this higher power? **

All the above is based on unfounded speculation and therefore irrelevant.

Q. What evidence would be sufficient…and why is it a requirement?

Empirical and so we know it is true ofcourse.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
That’s what i am trying to explain to you, i don’t know there is no god.
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Excellent. You don’t know there is no god. You simply believe there is no god.
**An emotional reaction? **
…a reaction based on the lack of evidence.
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What evidence makes you believe you have free will and are responsible for your decisions?
 
The position the atheist takes is one of radical doubt. St Thomas would not believe in the Risen Christ until he could put his fingers in the wounds.

Mr. Atheist - if you are looking for empirical proof you will not find it. You can sit here all day long on these boards and keep repeating - I reject your claim, I reject your claim, I reject your claim ad nauseum.

If you want to find God you have to search in a different way. If not there is not much we can do for you. We have to leave it to God much like St Paul’s experience.

Atheism has no belief - you all argue that science is your faith. It comes up over and over again. You do have faith - your god is material science, a false god by the way.

Catholics reject false gods. So we are both in a position of REJECTING the others claim. Your solution is - get more science education. Our solution - get more history, metaphysics and philosophy education.

Where dose this leave us? Pretty much the same as when the discussion started.

Here is the tie breaker. - the experience of God. Atheists lack it for they cannot and will not open their hearts and minds to God. The more I debate the more firmly I am convinced God designed it that way. He will not offer us empirical evidence for that is not the way He wishes us to find Him.
 
Excellent. You don’t know there is no god. You simply believe there is no god.

NO! I simply don’t accept your claim there IS a god.
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What evidence makes you believe you have free will and are responsible for your decisions?**

I don’t believe in “free will”. It’s a obtuse oversimplification of the subject. Yes to a certian degree i am responsible for my own actions. This has nothing to do with the existence of a god though?
 
buffalo said:
The position the atheist takes is one of radical doubt. St Thomas would not believe in the Risen Christ until he could put his fingers in the wounds.

Mr. Atheist - if you are looking for empirical proof you will not find it. You can sit here all day long on these boards and keep repeating - I reject your claim, I reject your claim, I reject your claim ad nauseum.

If you want to find God you have to search in a different way. If not there is not much we can do for you. We have to leave it to God much like St Paul’s experience.

Atheism has no belief - you all argue that science is your faith. It comes up over and over again. You do have faith - your god is material science, a false god by the way.

Catholics reject false gods. So we are both in a position of REJECTING the others claim. Your solution is - get more science education. Our solution - get more history, metaphysics and philosophy education.

Where dose this leave us? Pretty much the same as when the discussion started.

Here is the tie breaker. - the experience of God. Atheists lack it for they cannot and will not open their hearts and minds to God. The more I debate the more firmly I am convinced God designed it that way. He will not offer us empirical evidence for that is not the way He wishes us to find Him.
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You still don’t seemed to have understood. Atheism and science have NOTHING to do with each other.

I personally believe in the scientific method, but that has NOTHING to do with my atheism.

Also when it comes to understanding the universe i have no need for “metaphysics and philosophy” (though many philosophers are atheists). When it comes to understanding the cosmos philosophy has nothing on science. So you can have you philosophy and ponder if i even exist, and i will have my TVS, CARS, PHONES, PCs, HOSPITALS, GPS, CALULATORS, ROCKETS, DVDs, CDs, MP3s etc etc etc.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
You still don’t seemed to have understood. Atheism and science have NOTHING to do with each other.

I personally believe in the scientific method, but that has NOTHING to do with my atheism.

Also when it comes to understanding the universe i have no need for “metaphysics and philosophy” (though many philosophers are atheists). When it comes to understanding the cosmos philosophy has nothing on science. So you can have you philosophy and ponder if i even exist, and i will have my TVS, CARS, PHONES, PCs, HOSPITALS, GPS, CALULATORS, ROCKETS, DVDs, CDs, MP3s etc etc etc.
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Why on earth do you intertwine it then?

To be in an educated position don’t you think you should seek to perfect your knowledge? Stating you have no need for them is an admission. How do you know you do not need them? All knowledge cannot be attained through science alone. You are one man on a island here. Perhaps you are afraid of what you will find?

I will enjoy putting them to work too. Oh by the way - which one’s of the above can be attributed to Catholics?
 
tonyrey said:
You are wasting everyone’s time…
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I agree - I have almost abandoned him, but every once and a while he posts something that I cannot ignore. 🙂

It is well established that all he can offer is - “I reject your claim” and " I don’t need nothin’ else". Intellectually childish if you ask me. He is not interested in moving outside his box to even take a peak of what else there is.

The new atheism doesn’t even have an intellectual underpinning. I did seem to notice though a “call for help” since there all of a sudden has been more of them showing up. 🙂

Recommended “utter tripe” - The Irrational Atheist for all the lurkers. 🙂
 
buffalo said:
Why on earth do you intertwine it then?

To be in an educated position don’t you think you should seek to perfect your knowledge? Stating you have no need for them is an admission. How do you know you do not need them? All knowledge cannot be attained through science alone. You are one man on a island here. Perhaps you are afraid of what you will find?

I will enjoy putting them to work too. Oh by the way - which one’s of the above can be attributed to Catholics?
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They are tributes to the scientific method, catholic, protestant, athiest, jew, its utterly irrelevant.

But it all depends what type of knowledge we are talking about. Why philosophy may be a useful persuit, it is redundant when it comes to futhering our knowledge of the cosmos. How the cosmos was created is a question for science.
 
buffalo said:
I agree - I have almost abandoned him, but every once and a while he posts something that I cannot ignore. 🙂

It is well established that all he can offer is - “I reject your claim” and " I don’t need nothin’ else". Intellectually childish if you ask me. He is not interested in moving outside his box to even take a peak of what else there is.

The new atheism doesn’t even have an intellectual underpinning. I did seem to notice though a “call for help” since there all of a sudden has been more of them showing up. 🙂

Recommended “utter tripe” - The Irrational Atheist for all the lurkers. 🙂
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lol… ok.

Neither of you actually understood what atheism is, when it was explained to you, your response is we’re being “Intellectually childish”. OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK. 🤷
 
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