The absurdity of atheism

[robsully]

You apparently haven’t read any of my posts.

I do not judge the real God. I recognize the real God.

Recognition is not judgment.

Repudiation of false gods is a judgment against them. Your false gods, for example.

One of your false gods is Self, since you judge there is no one higher than Self.

Yes I have read your posts. And you said “The true god cannot be judged by us.” (post111) Am I not part of “us”? And as stated earlier, I judge God.

Could you please provide evidence of my “false gods”.

So the burden of proof of a real relationship, or lack of regarding Pallas and god is still yours.
As well as the burden of proof “of evidence” provided to Pallas, is still yours.
And now you can add to the list, evidence of my false Gods.
Just for added information can you also provide your methodology on how to tell the real God from the false God?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Could you please provide evidence of my “false gods”.

And now you can add to the list, evidence of my false Gods.
Just for added information can you also provide your methodology on how to tell the real God from the false God?

The real God is one you have a relationship with.

Since you have no relationship with the true God, you have only a relationship with false gods.

An example of a false god would be your supreme Self.

You set yourself above God as the supreme authority in all matters that concern you, even to judging the real God whom you do not even know because you deny that he exists.

 

[robsully]

The real God is one you have a relationship with.

Since you have no relationship with the true God, you have only a relationship with false gods.

An example of a false god would be your supreme Self.

You set yourself above God as the supreme authority in all matters that concern you, even to judging the real God whom you do not even know because you deny that he exists.

So NO proof of relationship/or lack of for Pallas.
NO proof of evidence provided to Pallas.
NO proof/evidence of my false God

In post 111 you claim only false Gods can be judged by us. Well as stated earlier I, part of “us”, judges God, please explain since you admit I judge the “real” God, he must then be a false God.
Now you state that “the real God is one you have a relationship with”. Yet you also state that “you (me) only have a relationship with false Gods”. If I am having a relationship with a “God” and my your own criteria of you can only have a relationship with the “real” God is he a false God? Or is having a relationship not a accurate way of telling the difference between Gods?

I guess we can add proving where I stated that I “deny that God exists”, to the list of proof/evidence to your claims. that would be four unproven claims and counting.

Perhaps if you find yourself in a hole, you should quit digging?

 

[Pallas_Athene]

This is totally irrational and you need to wash your mouth out with Ajax.

Isn’t it embarrassing to look at yourself in the mirror, which does not distort reality? Anyone who prefers to keep the “free will” of psychopaths, condones their behavior. Since God could prevent their actions, and obviously does not, he gives his (at least) “tacit” approval to those deeds.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

I guess we can add proving where I stated that I “deny that God exists”, to the list of proof/evidence to your claims. that would be four unproven claims and counting.

Since you were taking the part of Pallas, I assumed you believe God does not exist.

Was I wrong in that assumption? Do you believe God exists?

If so, which God do you worship since you do not identify yourself?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Isn’t it embarrassing to look at yourself in the mirror, which does not distort reality? Anyone who prefers to keep the “free will” of psychopaths, condones their behavior. Since God could prevent their actions, and obviously does not, he gives his (at least) “tacit” approval to those deeds.

Isn’t it embarrassing to believe that the only good God is a God who controls us like puppets?

 

[Pallas_Athene]

Isn’t it embarrassing to believe that the only good God is a God who controls us like puppets?

Indeed it WOULD be, if I would suggest that. I have explained it many times, but it seems that to no avail. So… again. I did not suggest to make us “puppets”, only take away SOME of the abilities, namely the ones which allow certain actions.

The same principle is used here which dictates the parents (the GOOD parents) to allow certain freedoms for their kids, but curtail that freedom and prevent the kids to cause irreparable harm to themselves or others. These parents, the good and responsible ones allow the children to experience the consequences, but only those which do not have FATAL results.

Is this REALLY so hard to comprehend?

 

[robsully]

Since you were taking the part of Pallas, I assumed you believe God does not exist.

Was I wrong in that assumption? Do you believe God exists?

If so, which God do you worship since you do not identify yourself?

I speak only for myself. Regarding the existence of God, false Gods, or any Gods, I don’t know. That was the reason I came to this site.
As for Pallas, Pallas claimed as a child, Pallas tried everything to be a good Christian. AS A CHILD. And Pallas found it lacking, AS A CHILD. Your response is blame Pallas, Pallas didn’t see/believe the evidence, Pallas’ childhood Christian experience was not real. It was Pallas’ fault. That attitude pushes me more towards Pallas’ view than yours.
Regarding free will, if we all have free will, and if it is a gift from God, then when a murderer is stabbing his victim, does his victim have free will? If not why is it all right for a murderer to infringe on free will and not God?
I had a friend that was an only child, when asked if he missed not having a big family he said " you cannot miss what you never had." Had God created the world without evil. pain and all the other things that makes the world ******, how would we loss our free will, we cannot miss or choose what we never experienced.

As for the list of things you can supply evidence… ya I’m still waiting.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

I speak only for myself. Regarding the existence of God, false Gods, or any Gods, I don’t know. That was the reason I came to this site.
As for Pallas, Pallas claimed as a child, Pallas tried everything to be a good Christian. AS A CHILD. And Pallas found it lacking, AS A CHILD.

Well I don’t accept the limited reasoning ability of a child whose wishes did not come true as the last authority on great theological questions. Do you?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

I speak only for myself. Regarding the existence of God, false Gods, or any Gods, I don’t know. That was the reason I came to this site.

Then it might help with communication if you identified yourself as Agnostic, because it’s not clear from your remarks whether you are agnostic or atheist.

Not that there is more than a penny’s worth of difference between the two.

“Whoever is not with me is against me …” Matthew 12:30

 

[Aloysium]

. . . you cannot miss what you never had." Had God created the world without evil. pain and all the other things that makes the world ******, how would we loss our free will, we cannot miss or choose what we never experienced. . …

A rock does not know suffering.
Nor does it miss the joys, whose loss are the source of pain.
Nor those that come in the overcoming of suffering.

A rock knows nothing of relationships.
It is because we relate and can choose not to love that we suffer.

Create living beings who touch each other with care or the intent to hurt,
and this is what you get - a world in transition,
each of us with the choice as to whether or not we will help in bringing about God’s kingdom.

Take a good look at the plight of humanity around you.
What part will you play.
I don’t understand people’s lamenting the issue - this is what it is; get on with it!

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Then it might help with communication if you identified yourself as Agnostic, because it’s not clear from your remarks whether you are agnostic or atheist.

My thoughts:

Because of variance in semantics and in general not knowing how the word “agnostic” will be interpreted I would say clearer communication may be achieved without reference to the labels. We’ve talked before about how some people identify as both agnostic and atheist. Now if the semantics of of both are known and agreed upon then go for it.

Pardon my mistakes. Sent from my mobile device.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

My thoughts:

Because of variance in semantics and in general not knowing how the word “agnostic” will be interpreted I would say clearer communication may be achieved without reference to the labels. We’ve talked before about how some people identify as both agnostic and atheist. Now if the semantics of of both are known and agreed upon then go for it.

Pardon my mistakes. Sent from my mobile device.

It all comes down do if you are sure there is no God or unsure. Are you sure or unsure?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Because of variance in semantics and in general not knowing how the word “agnostic” will be interpreted I would say clearer communication may be achieved without reference to the labels.

I agree. Not sure that “software engineer” is a particularly helpful label.

Could you be more specific without using that particular label?

 

[robsully]

Then it might help with communication if you identified yourself as Agnostic, because it’s not clear from your remarks whether you are agnostic or atheist.

Not that there is more than a penny’s worth of difference between the two.

“Whoever is not with me is against me …” Matthew 12:30

How I identify myself has/had no bearing on the fact that you repeatedly made claims without proof or evidence to support them.

Would the tenor of your text be any different had I identified myself as a Jew, Christian, Muslim? If so Why?

 

[robsully]

Well I don’t accept the limited reasoning ability of a child whose wishes did not come true as the last authority on great theological questions. Do you?

Where did Pallas “the child” ever offer any views of any kind? Pallas the adult has, and those views, some I disagree with, have merit.
It seems that you blame Pallas as a child for the departure from Christianity 1) the relationship was not real. 2) Pallas refused to see the evidence. All without proof or charity.
For a child to give up their faith is sad. To imply the child’s prayers were a “wish list” is nothing short of cold hearted. I have no knowledge of Pallas’s child prayers/wish list but if it were revealed it was to save, cure, prevent anything… What ever they were they belonged to a child. And didn’t Jesus have a few words regarding children and heaven?

And ya that list of proof/evidence…still wating

 

[tonyrey]

Atheism is the dogmatic belief that* everything***

Of course I am but the issue is whether everything is ultimately valueless. And if not why not?

 

[Pallas_Athene]

And ya that list of proof/evidence…still wating

Don’t hold your breath.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Would the tenor of your text be any different had I identified myself as a Jew, Christian, Muslim? If so Why?

Both the tenor and the text would be different, obviously. Just curious as to why you are secretive about your convictions, unless it’s that you don’t have any. Which would tell us a great deal about why you are here … maybe either to get some convictions or to knock down those who have them.

One always approaches an atheist differently than a Christian.

Please use some common sense here?

 

[robsully]

Both the tenor and the text would be different, obviously. Just curious as to why you are secretive about your convictions, unless it’s that you don’t have any. Which would tell us a great deal about why you are here … maybe either to get some convictions or to knock down those who have them.

One always approaches an atheist differently than a Christian.

Please use some common sense here?

The tenor and text would be differently, why is this obvious? And why would it be different?
Why am I secretive? I have explained why I am here, post #129.

If you feel “knocked down” by me for asking proof or evidence of your unsupported
claims… then stop making them.

I trust you’re working on that list? Right?