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owr39
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Your claim is that we were created by an accident, with no rhyme or reason. That’s a pretty extraordinary claim itself.
Bringing up irrational examples like that doesn’t strengthen your argument.
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Bringing up irrational examples like that doesn’t strengthen your argument.
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NM505StKate
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I never made any claim. Please don’t put words in my mouth. We are discussing proof of God existing. Ah yes my example is different but no less you have to prove that it doesn’t happen. How about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, with his noodley appendage he created all life. Prove he doesn’t exist.
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owr39
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Your claim is that God doesn’t exist, prove it.
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NM505StKate
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I am making no claim in this discussion. It isn’t up to me to prove anything or disprove anything.
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owr39
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So essentially, you CAN’T prove that God doesn’t exist.
Simply saying “in this discussion I make no claim” is shifting the burden of proof. If you can’t prove God doesn’t exist, then don’t demand proof God does exist.
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NM505StKate
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How about this. I do not know God exists. I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Please prove to me your God exists.
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owr39
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If you can’t support your own claim (your real claim, taking a false position in this thread doesn’t count) then don’t demand proof from others.How about this. I do not know God exists. I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Please prove to me your God exists.
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NM505StKate
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sigh This is why it is so frustrating for people who try to debate. Moving the goal post and shifting the burden.If you can’t support your own claim (your real claim, taking a false position in this thread doesn’t count) then don’t demand proof from others.
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Jerbear
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Completely agree.
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clem456
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Ummm, pardon me.
I find this a little disingenuous when your own profile claims you are Catholic while you post as a believing atheist.
What’s up with that, and how do you expect to have any coherent conversation whatsoever, when you cannot even identify yourself honestly?
And you talk about moving goalposts when you don’t even know which end of the field you are on.
There are some atheists that can present coherent arguments…
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owr39
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I explained in my initial response, I didn’t want to debate, nor am I trying to. I’m simply saying that the burden of proof doesn’t necessarily fall on the shoulders of the believer.
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Nixbits
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I would agree.
Nope. Many, if not most, atheists do not make such an assertion. The only thing that is common to atheists is the lack of belief in a god or gods.
But I and several other contributors have pointed this out to you and others on this thread on several occasions. I can’t understand your continued refusal to accept this, and your repeated mis-representation of what atheism is, unless it’s intended to deliberately provoke. But perhaps you can explain the reason.
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Jerbear
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Agreed.
Agreed. I, along with many of my good friends are atheists and absolutely none of us claim there’s no God.
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clem456
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It’s really really cool to have floating definitions. I love it. Gotta try that.
Oh wait. Christianity requires commitment. Can’t do that.
Agnostic (a-gnosis, to not know) is one who does not profess to know. (and even he professes something, even if it’s “I dunno”)
Atheist (no-god) claims God doesn’t exist.
Unless you’d like to dodge and redefine. Seems to be a catching disease.
But disease or not, I suppose it’s a really practical thing,
since you can never, ever, be wrong,
since you can simply refute and redefine yourself in the moment.
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Jerbear
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You have the wrong definition of atheism. Theism has to do with belief. Do you believe God exists? If yes, then you’re a theist, if not, then you’re an atheist. Almost all atheists will acknowledge they’ll agnostic atheists. An agnostic atheist says they do not know and know they cannot prove it, but they don’t believe a God exists. A Christian can also be an agnostic. If you say you do not know with 100% certainty but you believe in God, you sir are an agnostic theist.It’s really really cool to have floating definitions. I love it. Gotta try that.
Oh wait. Christianity requires commitment. Can’t do that.
Agnostic (a-gnosis, to not know) is one who does not profess to know. (and even he professes something, even if it’s “I dunno”)
Atheist (no-god) claims God doesn’t exist.
Unless you’d like to dodge and redefine. Seems to be a catching disease.
But disease or not, I suppose it’s a really practical thing,
since you can never, ever, be wrong,
since you can simply refute and redefine yourself in the moment.
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clem456
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Demonstrably and completely nonsensical.
Read the thread, and all the others, and observe atheists making claims that God does not exist, that Christianity is illogical, it doesn’t work and it’s unnecessary…etc…
Demonstrably and completely nonsensical.
And by the way, why are you here, if you don’t have an alternative proposal to Christianity?
Why are you here?
Really, it’s a lot of wasted effort for a person who, like, believes nothing.
You could be mowing the grass, drinking a lawmower beer, believing in nothing, while the sun warms your neck.
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NM505StKate
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It does because you are the one making the claim. When I brought up the nymph or the FSM the burden of proof is on me to claim they exist not on you. You don’t have to disprove them existing. By shifting the burden you are trying to change the statement.
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NM505StKate
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An atheist can believe just about anything. They can believe in aliens, Bigfoot, ghosts ect. They just don’t believe in god(s) because of lack of proof.
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owr39
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Putting everything else aside. You’re telling me if someone claims they don’t belive God exists, they don’t need to prove why?
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NM505StKate
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Yes because they have not seen enough proof of God existing. “Why don’t you believe?” “I have not seen enough proof.” Can you not prove to me there is a teapot in outer space?
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