The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[Luvtosew]

This means your answer is “No, I haven’t changed my views at all. God happens to agree with exactly the same things that I do!”

Think about that for a minute, Luv.

Ha Ha no, I believe Gods word. (now now, putting words in my mouth again). God would never conform himself to me. I comform myself to him.

Please answer my question now.

 

[PRmerger]

God said abortion is sin too, does that mean you would never talk or associate with anyone who had an abortion?
How about lie?
How about steal?
How about swear, envy, be addicted to something (adultry, not sexual)
lust, greed, pride, judgemental, unforgiving, etc.

Oh, Luv, please don’t misunderstand. (I’m not going to accuse you of putting words in my mouth.)

I am definitely not saying that I can’t associate with sinners. As if!

But I can’t go to a ceremony that celebrates adultery.

Let me put it to you this way: would you go to a celebration of a man who has just gotten a Ku Klux Klan award?

I would hope not!

Now, if I said, “Well! Does that mean you’re not going to hang around anyone with different views than you?” that would be missing the point, right?

You just don’t go and celebrate sin.

 

[1voice]

Burden of proof? First show us where the Bible teaches: It must be in the Bible, if not it is false.

Show us where Scriptures teaches such a belief?

My belief is that anything that Is truly from God must line up with the truth of the Bible… Just like every law in the US must line up with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a template and a plumbline…

I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.
You can believe whatever you choose that is not in the Bible.
But if you choose to do that …
The burden of proof is with you to show that your belief is true…

I have seen no convincing proof of the Catholic belief that:

"our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” …Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae

Or that…

“When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of Mercy, who is so well disposed towards us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us, especially in attaining eternal life. …” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Magnae Dei Matris

My position is bases first and formost on the fact that Jesus told us who to pray to… and Leo XIII clearly says otherwise.
. and I cannot imagine praying (as LeoXIII instructs) to anyone else. Nor (based on lots of experience with answered prayer) do I find it in any way necessary.

 

[PRmerger]

I comform myself to him.

Excellent.

Then you’ll have to have had some issue/idea/belief that you’ve conformed (that is, changed your position on) to.

What is it?

 

[PRmerger]

If you take the position that what you believe is what God said … then you would naturally conclude that any other position is a false god.

Could you please expound on this? I’m not following.

 

[Luvtosew]

You don’t want spiritual works of mercy?

Oh please - everyone! Please pray for me and tell me when I’m wrong and help me become a saint because all I want is to become a saint and to help others become saints. That is the only thing I have for me in this life on earth. I will take anything that will help me - spiritual acts of mercy, persecution (got some of that the other day from a police officer who told me that the Catholic Church is awful and evil because it has pedophile priests and when I opened my mouth to respond he said “I don’t want to discuss it.” He gagged me - that is persecution), martyrdom, suffering, pain, even that awful problem with being brain damaged and stupid…

as long as it gets me to heaven and helps me to help others.

I’ll take it all, every last bit of it and ask God to bless you for it.

And I will pray for those who don’t want those spiritual acts of mercy.

Maybe that police officer thought he was giving you spiritual advice!!
but you were ignorant.
no offense, but to assume one is ignorant because they do not think and hold the same opinions as you, is having maybe a bit too much pride in oneself.

 

[PRmerger]

My belief is that anything that Is truly from God must line up with the truth of the Bible… Just like every law in the US must line up with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a template and a plumbline…

I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.
You can believe whatever you choose that is not in the Bible.
But if you choose to do that …
The burden of proof is with you to show that your belief is true…

I have seen no convincing proof to support your particular extra Biblical claims.

So what is your paradigm, then, 1voice: if Scripture is silent it’s prohibited?

Or, if Scripture is silent it’s allowed?

 

[Luvtosew]

Could you please expound on this? I’m not following.

I"m not following you either. who is talking false God here.

can you please answer my post.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Not one from God, Please tell me your not going to attend your friends second marriage because she got a divorce?

So divorce and remarriage is black and white to you?

God said abortion is sin too, does that mean you would never talk or associate with anyone who had an abortion?
How about lie?
How about steal?
How about swear, envy, be addicted to something (adultry, not sexual)
lust, greed, pride, judgemental, unforgiving, etc.

I would not attend the wedding, either. And if I were in the wedding party and the bride-to-be said that if the wedding didn’t work out she would just get a divorce, I would leave and she would be short one bridesmaid or maid (matron) of honor. This actually happened to someone I know although she wasn’t in the wedding party.

Marriage is a Sacrament. It confers grace upon the bride and groom. It is holy and sacred and reflects the relationship Jesus has with His Church, Who is His Bride.

 

[LittleSoldier]

My belief is that anything that Is truly from God must line up with the truth of the Bible… Just like every law in the US must line up with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a template and a plumbline…

I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.
You can believe whatever you choose that is not in the Bible.
But if you choose to do that …
The burden of proof is with you to show that your belief is true…

I have seen no convincing proof to support your particular extra Biblical claims.

1voice, is it morally acceptable to use in-vitro fertilization?

 

[LittleSoldier]

Romes influrence on Christianity: A sample

From the 2nd century onward, the Church Fathers began to condemn the diverse religions practiced throughout the Empire collectively as “pagan.”[3] When the Roman Emperor Constantine I converted to Christianity in the 4th century, he launched the era of Christian hegemony. Despite a short-lived attempt by the Emperor Julian to revive and preserve traditional and Hellenistic religion and to affirm the special status of Judaism, in 391 under Theodosius I Christianity became the official state religion of Rome, to the exclusion of all others. Pleas for religious tolerance from traditionalists such as the senator Symmachus (d. 402) were rejected, and Christian monotheism became a feature of Imperial domination. Other religions were gradually transformed, absorbed or strictly suppressed. Many forms of traditional religious practice, particularly festivals and games (ludi), which might be divorced from theological implications, retained their vitality through the 4th and 5th centuries. Rome’s religious hierarchy and many aspects of ritual influenced Christian forms, and many pre-Christian beliefs and practices survived in Christian festivals and local traditions.

When one takes a quote from a site one is supposed to give credit to the authors of that quote and not plagiarize it. I found the following on Wiki:

From the 2nd century onward, the Church Fathers began to condemn the diverse religions practiced throughout the Empire collectively as “pagan.”[3] When the Roman Emperor Constantine I converted to Christianity in the 4th century, he launched the era of Christian hegemony. Despite a short-lived attempt by the Emperor Julian to revive and preserve traditional and Hellenistic religion and to affirm the special status of Judaism, in 391 under Theodosius I Christianity became the official state religion of Rome, to the exclusion of all others. Pleas for religious tolerance from traditionalists such as the senator Symmachus (d. 402) were rejected, and Christian monotheism became a feature of Imperial domination. Other religions were gradually transformed, absorbed or strictly suppressed. Many forms of traditional religious practice, particularly festivals and games (ludi), which might be divorced from theological implications, retained their vitality through the 4th and 5th centuries. Rome’s religious hierarchy and many aspects of ritual influenced Christian forms, and many pre-Christian beliefs and practices survived in Christian festivals and local traditions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome

 

[PRmerger]

I"m not following you either. who is talking false God here.

can you please answer my post.

What question do you mean for me to answer?

And I can see that you are having trouble coming up with a belief/doctrine/truth that you’ve conformed to.

That’s a problem, isn’t it? It does make it appear that you are creating a god that conforms to your own likes/dislikes, no?

 

[Luvtosew]

Oh, Luv, please don’t misunderstand. (I’m not going to accuse you of putting words in my mouth.)

I am definitely not saying that I can’t associate with sinners. As if!

But I can’t go to a ceremony that celebrates adultery.

Let me put it to you this way: would you go to a celebration of a man who has just gotten a Ku Klux Klan award?

I would hope not!

Now, if I said, “Well! Does that mean you’re not going to hang around anyone with different views than you?” that would be missing the point, right?

You just don’t go and celebrate sin.

For one thing if I knew someone belonged to the KKK they would not be inviting me to anything as I would not associate with people like that, period.(even if one of my brothers joined)

I do not know why your friend is in a second marriage, but its not black and white. If one of my friends got divorced and is getting remarried I woud go and pray to God it works out this time. If I knew my friend was rushing into something I’d tell her and voice my concerns but I would go. Were talking a friend her, not a aquaintance.

PR: I hate to say anything, but you have what 4 dtr. I’m sure your a wonderful Mom, but chances are you’ll be eating your words one day, I do hope not really.

Why do you believe that, who taught you to shun friends because they commited a sin.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Maybe that police officer thought he was giving you spiritual advice!!
but you were ignorant.
no offense, but to assume one is ignorant because they do not think and hold the same opinions as you, is having maybe a bit too much pride in oneself.

And perhaps attacking one’s faith and then gagging the other person so that she cannot defend her faith is rude, uncharitable, and anti-Christian.

I was not ignorant. He was. But I was not allowed to speak.

Do you actually find that appropriate? Because he was really attacking Christianity as a whole.

Why would I take offense? Have I assumed that one is ignorant because they do not think and hold the same opinion as I do? Haven’t I already stated that I am ignorant and stupid? Haven’t I begged for people to teach me truth? To tell me when I am wrong?

What more do you want from me? I’m not here to become popular. I’m here because I want to go to heaven and I want to help others go to heaven. And if that makes me unpopular I don’t care in the least.

Don’t you want to find Truth?

Do you agree with the police officer?

And do you think I am committing the sin of pride?

 

[PRmerger]

Why do you believe that, who taught you to shun friends because they commited a sin.

Now you’re making me MAD.

How dare you! I have already told you that I don’t disassociate with someone because they are sinners.

This issue has caused me great pain. I would ADORE it if I could celebrate with my friends.

But, I bow to God, not to what I wish I could do.

You have crossed the line, friend.

 

[LittleSoldier]

For one thing if I knew someone belonged to the KKK they would not be inviting me to anything as I would not associate with people like that, period.(even if one of my brothers joined)

You mean, you would shun them? Even your own brother?

I do not know why your friend is in a second marriage, but its not black and white. If one of my friends got divorced and is getting remarried I woud go and pray to God it works out this time. If I knew my friend was rushing into something I’d tell her and voice my concerns but I would go. Were talking a friend her, not a aquaintance.

Matrimony is a Sacrament. It’s not like someone lying and then being shunned. When people get married in a church they vow in front of God and witnesses that they will love and honor (depending on the wording) each other for the rest of their lives. That is a vow. And God has said “What God has joined let no man put asunder.”

It is black and white. If a marriage is valid according to the Church it is life-long and if either spouse remarries he/she is committing adultery and breaking the vows he/she made to God and in front of witnesses.

PR: I hate to say anything, but you have what 4 dtr. I’m sure your a wonderful Mom, but chances are you’ll be eating your words one day, I do hope not really.

I don’t think so because her words are correct.

Why do you believe that, who taught you to shun friends because they commited a sin.

Wow. This doesn’t come close to the most uncharitable thing I have ever read on CAF but it’s in the top twenty or so. This is crossing the line.

 

[Luvtosew]

And perhaps attacking one’s faith and then gagging the other person so that she cannot defend her faith is rude, uncharitable, and anti-Christian.

I was not ignorant. He was. But I was not allowed to speak.

Do you actually find that appropriate? Because he was really attacking Christianity as a whole.

Why would I take offense? Have I assumed that one is ignorant because they do not think and hold the same opinion as I do? Haven’t I already stated that I am ignorant and stupid? Haven’t I begged for people to teach me truth? To tell me when I am wrong?

What more do you want from me? I’m not here to become popular. I’m here because I want to go to heaven and I want to help others go to heaven. And if that makes me unpopular I don’t care in the least.

Don’t you want to find Truth?

Do you agree with the police officer?

And do you think I am committing the sin of pride?

Your reponse was to the one statement I made to another poster saying,
I do not want your spiritual works of mercy.

which I don’t if I’m going to be talked about and thought of as ignorant because I don’t share that persons view. In other words go somewhere else and preach, just like I’m sure you wanted to say to that cop.

I’m not here to be popular either, obviously , or to get to heaven, just like to talk about the Good Lord like all God loving people do , including you and everyone else here. But the thing is if we all agreed and thought alike why even have a forum. Ask a quest. get an answer, bye. No not one person here thinks like the other about everything.

I didn’t say you were being prideful, I said a person calling someone ignorant because a person disagrees with them is being proud. Your right that cop was being very disrespectful to you, and exerting his authority over you, which is very non Christian, but apparently you took it humbly which is what I should of done. Thank you for teaching me a lesson.

 

[Luvtosew]

You mean, you would shun them? Even your own brother?
Matrimony is a Sacrament. It’s not like someone lying and then being shunned. When people get married in a church they vow in front of God and witnesses that they will love and honor (depending on the wording) each other for the rest of their lives. That is a vow. And God has said “What God has joined let no man put asunder.”

It is black and white. If a marriage is valid according to the Church it is life-long and if either spouse remarries he/she is committing adultery and breaking the vows he/she made to God and in front of witnesses.
I don’t think so because her words are correct.
Wow. This doesn’t come close to the most uncharitable thing I have ever read on CAF but it’s in the top twenty or so. This is crossing the line.

Yes if I had a brother as an active member of the KKK I would not want him around, if he called I would talk to him, if he wanted out of the KKK I would help him, I would always be there for him and love him, and pray for him, but I would not want to be around him.
I would not make friends or be friends to anyone in the KKK.

 

[Luvtosew]

You mean, you would shun them? Even your own brother?
Matrimony is a Sacrament. It’s not like someone lying and then being shunned. When people get married in a church they vow in front of God and witnesses that they will love and honor (depending on the wording) each other for the rest of their lives. That is a vow. And God has said “What God has joined let no man put asunder.”

It is black and white. If a marriage is valid according to the Church it is life-long and if either spouse remarries he/she is committing adultery and breaking the vows he/she made to God and in front of witnesses.
I don’t think so because her words are correct.
Wow. This doesn’t come close to the most uncharitable thing I have ever read on CAF but it’s in the top twenty or so. This is crossing the line.

Would you not go to a remarriage of a friend?

 

[Luvtosew]

I would not attend the wedding, either. And if I were in the wedding party and the bride-to-be said that if the wedding didn’t work out she would just get a divorce, I would leave and she would be short one bridesmaid or maid (matron) of honor. This actually happened to someone I know although she wasn’t in the wedding party.

Marriage is a Sacrament. It confers grace upon the bride and groom. It is holy and sacred and reflects the relationship Jesus has with His Church, Who is His Bride.

Well lets be realistic if my friend said if it didn’t work our I’ll just get a divorce, I wouldn’t bother either.

but you also would not attend the second marriage of a friend no matter what the reason the first one didn’t turn out?

Sad very sad.