The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

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Precisely! 1voice has yet to provide the “proof” where the Bible teaches everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true. Burden is all on 1voice to prove such a “biblical” belief.

When one makes such a claim and yet cannot back it up it is very clear: THEY HAVE NO SUCH PROOF!
It is what is called a man-made tradition. Something that they’ve believed because they heard another man say it, who heard another man say it…but no one ever read it on a single page of Scripture.
 
Sorry. No new thread. I’m on vacation for awhile. Maybe for the rest of my life.

See ya. Maybe. Maybe not.

My frown was in reference to the remark about thread being off-topic. Not too long ago I went ahead and posted in a thread that had gone off-topic (I was not the OP) and a lurker (an ex-friend) popped in with a very uncharitable comment about how I had taken the thread off-topic, along with another poster (who I didn’t even know) and how we had used it to our benefit. That was the lurker’s contribution to the thread. I guess he was too busy 🍿 to post anything of real substance.

So I got smacked for something I didn’t do and I get smacked for trying to get a thread back on-topic (well, to be honest, it wasn’t much of a smack at all; just a difference of opinion but it still stung a little and one poster wants a new thread and others don’t and I’m tired of being in the middle) and now I am very, very tired. I’ve already posted everything I wish to say about our Blessed Mother being the Ark of the Covenant. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind. I’m no longer an asset to this thread and I won’t be an asset to any threads on this topic in the near future. Besides, now this thread has gone on to a more interesting topic. Hasn’t it? I don’t think so but what do I know? Squat - that’s what.

So I’m on vacation. I’m going to immerse myself in a ton of horror books (especially those on the occult) and play online horror games all day (especially those on the occult). And go swimming.

Have fun.
Huh? :confused:

I simply said that I rather like it when topics go in tangents and that I leave it to the mods to direct us at their discretion.

If that stung, I apologize, Little Sister. :o

Don’t go away mad!
 
Indeed. :tsktsk:
:confused:

Is this directed at me? What did I do? I don’t even know what pietism is! If it’s about pie, well, I like pie (except for any crust unless it’s graham cracker or cookie). I even had a dog named Pie that I still love very much even though she died a year and a half ago (I’ve been missing her really bad for the last few days). And if it’s about being pious and drinking wine and eating goodies - well, I have nothing against eating goodies, although I admit I loathe the taste of wine. I’d like a virgin frozen peach margarita, please. Or anything fruity and slushy. Frozen lemonade if you’ve got it. As for drinking alcohol, I’ve got nothing against people snocking themselves silly as long as they don’t hurt themselves or anyone else. I just can’t drink alcohol because it interacts with my meds.

Frozen lemonade and a slice of key lime pie. Oh, that’s probably a bad mix. Just the frozen lemonade, please.

I’m not mad. I’m really very tired. I mean physically and emotionally. And trying to please everyone wears me out. I’ve got two degenerative diseases that have been putting me through the wringer lately. I’m not complaining - a lot of it is my own fault (not the diseases but how they affect me).

But I do need a vacation badly. If gas weren’t so expensive and if I didn’t have to drive an SUV it wouldn’t be so bad. I need to go somewhere for a few days. It’s been three years since I’ve been ANYWHERE. Three years. I’ve got cabin fever so bad I’m about to bust out of this house but it’s too expensive to go anywhere. I live in a tourist town and there’s a large one 50 miles from here. I should just go.

I’m sorry. I’m taking the thread even further off-topic. But I thought I should explain. Everyone needs a vacation sometime! The last time I stayed in a hotel was two years ago when a water pipe burst in my attic and my house became uninhabitable. It was a very nice hotel and I would recommend it to anyone. But it wasn’t a vacation because every morning I had to drive home and sweep up all the insulation that had fallen through the huge hole in the ceiling and feed the cats and stay home so the water cleanup people and the plumber and other contractors could come in to work. And I ate out of cans or got food from restaurants and that gets old very fast.

BTW, I googled “pietism” and still have no idea what it is except that it has something to do with the Lutheran Church and maybe the Catholic Church. So I guess it’s not about pie but piety. Carried too far? :confused:

I’m sorry if I offended anyone. I really am very tired.
 
Huh? :confused:

I simply said that I rather like it when topics go in tangents and that I leave it to the mods to direct us at their discretion.

If that stung, I apologize, Little Sister. :o

Don’t go away mad!
I was reading another thread and a poster said he had had enough and was leaving and another poster wrote: Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!

I thought I would fall over laughing. I PMd him to tell him how funny I thought it was and he said he for a second he thought he’d gotten an infraction.

I’m going to remember that one! 😃

On top of getting smacked in that other thread I’ve got a banned member emailing me, asking me why his ban isn’t lifted! How should I know? I don’t work for CAF!

I’m tired.
 
:confused:

Is this directed at me? What did I do?
Well, only if you got in a lather about my reference to enjoying a cocktail and eating something deliciously unhealthy.

If you didn’t, then, naturally, it’s not directed at you, but at pietists. 🤷

And, from your comments later it appears that you didn’t get in a lather about it, so we’re good to go from here. 👍
 
I’m sorry. I’m taking the thread even further off-topic.
I respect the fact that you are very scrupulous (in the good sense) about being off-topic. I did a search of your posts and that’s a common theme for you–which is fine. That’s important to you. I get that.

But to me, getting off topic serves as a good reminder that we’re really all just sitting around a patio and chatting. It helps me be charitable and reminds me that what I might say to a virtual friend I might NOT say when I imagine that I’m sitting around a patio chatting with someone (cool beverage in hand, tasty morsel in mouth).

 
Hmmmm…not bad for a patio. But here is mine, although what is mostly shown is the pool. If you click on it you’ll see a bigger scan. 😃
 
Hmmmm…not bad for a patio. But here is mine, although what is mostly shown is the pool. If you click on it you’ll see a bigger scan. 😃
Hows the pool lined LittleSoldier, I spent last summer putting in a new liner 🤷 Course they have to be custom made. Still have to remove the cover this year, The grill and patio and yard is just about done though. Early summer this year here. Usually I wait till the end of May. BBQ last night though;)

Back to the TUMS:eek: Perhaps I should see the Doctor:D

So see we still are ON Topic:thumbsup:

Very Nice BTW:thumbsup:
 
It is what is called a man-made tradition. Something that they’ve believed because they heard another man say it, who heard another man say it…but no one ever read it on a single page of Scripture.
Exactly! It gets passed on for years it eventually is believe by many to be TRUTH. :tsktsk:
 
Hows the pool lined LittleSoldier, I spent last summer putting in a new liner 🤷 Course they have to be custom made. Still have to remove the cover this year, The grill and patio and yard is just about done though. Early summer this year here. Usually I wait till the end of May. BBQ last night though;)

Back to the TUMS:eek: Perhaps I should see the Doctor:D

So see we still are ON Topic:thumbsup:

Very Nice BTW:thumbsup:
That pool was so beautiful in the listing that I kept the photo. It’s not my pool. 😉 I’m living on disability retirement. The only pool I could afford would be an above-ground pool and it rains nine months out of the year here. That leaves the health club pool. If I manage to get Social Security and get back payments for 18 years I might have a pool installed but it would have to be protected from the rain.

The house that pool belongs to is about 10,000 sq. ft. (or it might be 12,000). The rooms are so huge that mini-rooms with walls made of sofas and things have been put in them. How can anyone furnish a 30 by 30 sq. foot bedroom? There is a guest house that’s larger than my house. The photos of the interior of the house just left me cold. It’s all so fancy and there’s so much furniture and so many bathrooms! How many bathrooms does one person need? (I have one.)

I live in a little house (just over 1,000 sq.ft.) and that’s fine with me. It needs work and I’m trying to do that. As for my patio, well, it’s the smallest that the builders could get away with but I do have a covered patio that’s 200 sq. ft. that I’m going to fence in so that my animals can go outside and remain safe. I have a nice BBQ, still in the box and I have no place to put it. Yet. I don’t have a big yard but it backs right up to the forest.

I was going to say that I own 500 acres and have 15 horses (all with Hopi names - Malila is my favorite) and all that sort of thing but the truth is that there is something so much more beautiful than that pool (the house was on the market for $15 mil, I believe) and that is the House of God - the one in Heaven. And our souls can make that pool look like a scummy puddle of gutter water - IF we are pure and give all for God.

Like Mary did. Can you imagine how beautiful her aura would be if they exist (I think they do).

So I guess we are on topic. And I’ve been thinking about frozen lemonade but I have iced jasmine tea right now and that’s great, too. No pie but I do have chocolate-covered macadamia nuts.

It’s nice that you get a summer. Last year we got no spring, a week of summer, and that was that. I am kinda jealous that you have a pool. I love to swim. I always have loved to swim and now that I have a back injury, swimming is the best exercise for me. I almost moved to the Phoenix area (that’s where the beautiful pool is) but it’s just too much work and I’d miss the ocean too much. We have lakes and rivers here to swim in if it ever gets hot.

And if I ever feel the slightest bit jealous of others who have more than me I remember my Mom taking me to see some people she knew from church. The husband had a little linoleum shop and they had a little house (like me). I saw the bedroom. They had twin beds that were badly sunken in the middle. They couldn’t afford to buy a decent bed (or two)! But the beds were made. That really stuck in my mind. That taught me something so important. God bless that couple!
 
Exactly! It gets passed on for years it eventually is believe by many to be TRUTH. :tsktsk:
Why am I not seeing any posts about the alleged Catholic position of allowing anything that is not forbidden by the Bible? Or is it not allowing anything that is not mentioned in the Bible? :confused:

Is there no defense for that allegation? It was made and read by many. And now?

Crickets chirping.

chirp…chirp…chirp…

The ball is not in my court. I and others have already snocked it back over the net. Hard.

Is the game over?
 
Why am I not seeing any posts about the alleged Catholic position of allowing anything that is not forbidden by the Bible? Or is it not allowing anything that is not mentioned in the Bible? :confused:

Is there no defense for that allegation? It was made and read by many. And now?

Crickets chirping.

chirp…chirp…chirp…

The ball is not in my court. I and others have already snocked it back over the net. Hard.

Is the game over?
I believe we have come to such a conclusion: Game over. Oh well! It was fun why it lasted.
 
Why am I not seeing any posts about the alleged Catholic position of allowing anything that is not forbidden by the Bible? Or is it not allowing anything that is not mentioned in the Bible? :confused:

Is there no defense for that allegation? It was made and read by many. And now?

Crickets chirping.

chirp…chirp…chirp…

The ball is not in my court. I and others have already snocked it back over the net. Hard.

Is the game over?
This was my response. #360 (an appropriate number :))
It was ignored/ rejected.
 
So what is your paradigm, then, 1voice: if Scripture is silent it’s prohibited?

Or, if Scripture is silent it’s allowed?
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.
 
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.
And I gave you a rebuttal which you ignored:
1voice:
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My belief is that anything that Is truly from God must line up with the truth of the Bible… Just like every law in the US must line up with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a template and a plumbline…
Your belief or God’s belief? Then show me where God teaches: Everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true? Where does Jesus teach such a position?
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I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.
According to who and WHO determined such a belief?
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You can believe whatever you choose that is not in the Bible.
But if you choose to do that …
The burden of proof is with you to show that your belief is true…
Then you are applying your own principle to your own belief. Where does the Bible teach everything must be in the Bible? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief. I am still waiting for the scriptural verses.
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I have seen no convincing proof of the Catholic belief that:
"our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” …Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae
Or that…
“When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of Mercy, who is so well disposed towards us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us, especially in attaining eternal life. …” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Magnae Dei Matris
My position is bases first and formost on the fact that Jesus told us who to pray to… and Leo XIII clearly says otherwise.
. and I cannot imagine praying (as LeoXIII instructs) to anyone else. Nor (based on lots of experience with answered prayer) do I find it in any way necessary.
Likewise…and still waiting for the convincing proof of your position:

Where is the proof of everything must be in the Bible and where does the bible teach it?
 
Originally Posted by 1voice
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.
Your belief or God’s belief? Then show me where God teaches: Everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true? Where does Jesus teach such a position?
Well, for me the answer is demonstrated by Jesus in the Gospels. I simply follow his example. Any time Jesus was challenged in his actions he always responded to the challengers by quoting Scripture or by clarifying Scripture. Any time Jesus challenged the status quo … he quoted scripture as all the proof that he needed to defend his action.
 
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.
Fair enough.

I am assuming that you have a church steeple on top of your church? Where does the Bible say that this is permitted?

I am assuming that you have instrumental music at your worship services? Where does the Bible say that this is permitted?

I am assuming that your pastor proclaims that artificial contraception is permissible? Where does the Bible say this?

Finally! This is one I’d never heard before, but a non-Catholic Christian posted this objection on my blog, “3 minute Apologetics”: doesn’t God forbid the building of stairs to an altar?

So, does your church have these leading up to its altar?

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If so, aren’t you contradicting Scripture? According to the anonymous poster, that’s an abomination before the Lord.
 
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