The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Well, for me the answer is demonstrated by Jesus in the Gospels. I simply follow his example. Any time Jesus was challenged in his actions he always responded to the challengers by quoting Scripture or by clarifying Scripture. Any time Jesus challenged the status quo … he quoted scripture as all the proof that he needed to defend his action.

OK, then I’ll call you on that, and also to get back on topic. Please tell us using Scripture how it is OK for Jesus to call His mother “Woman” in front of people without sinning.

 

[PRmerger]

I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

And here’s a few more:

If your church offers Wednesday evening services, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has Tuesday evening Bible studies, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has altar calls, where does the Bible permit that?

 

[1voice]

Quote:1voice
I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.

According to who

Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

and WHO determined such a belief?

Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Crickets are back

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Crickets are back

Dem crickets are annoying

 

[PRmerger]

And here’s a few more:

If your church offers Wednesday evening services, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has Tuesday evening Bible studies, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has altar calls, where does the Bible permit that?

Incidentally, the last time I asked these questions above to a person challenging me about “where is in the bible”,

the answer was, “Our Bible studies are on Monday mornings, not Tuesday evenings.”

or something ridiculous like that.

Point: my question is not about the day of the week but where it’s stated in the bible that you can do these things?

NB: I am not accusing anyone here on this thread of attempting to get out of this question with an answer like that. I was just sharing a prior experience I’d had.

 

[PRmerger]

Well, for me the answer is demonstrated by Jesus in the Gospels. I simply follow his example. Any time Jesus was challenged in his actions he always responded to the challengers by quoting Scripture or by clarifying Scripture. Any time Jesus challenged the status quo … he quoted scripture as all the proof that he needed to defend his action.

Any time?

What about in John 6 when he challenges the status quo about not eating flesh and drinkign blood. What did Jesus respond then?

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

If your church offers Wednesday evening services, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has Tuesday evening Bible studies, where does the Bible permit that?

And if it has altar calls, where does the Bible permit that?

You are assuming that I take the position that all actions must be specifically described in the Bible. I do not adhere to that position. I am saying that the Bible is full of truth and nothing else. If a new doctrine is presented, it must line up with the truth already revealed. I adhere to the position that the Bible is book from which all else must be compared. Beliefs/ actions must not contradict the Bible.
None of what you asked here contradicts the Bible. In fact the intent of those things that you list is to promote the truths in the Bible.

 

[Nicea325]

Originally Posted by 1voice
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

Well, for me the answer is demonstrated by Jesus in the Gospels. I simply follow his example. Any time Jesus was challenged in his actions he always responded to the challengers by quoting Scripture or by clarifying Scripture. Any time Jesus challenged the status quo … he quoted scripture as all the proof that he needed to defend his action.

Nice commentary,but nothing you said has answered my challenge to you.

Sorry,but I still waiting for the **bibical verses **supporting your biblical belief:

Everything must be said and taught in the Bible in order to be true? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief.

 

[Nicea325]

Originally Posted by 1voice
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

You are assuming that I take the position that all actions must be specifically described in the Bible. I do not adhere to that position. I am saying that the Bible is full of truth and nothing else. If something conflicts wit God’s word … then it is not truth. I adhere to the position that the Bible is book from which all else must be compared. Beliefs/ actions must not contradict the Bible.
None of what you asked here contradicts the Bible. In fact the intent of those things that you list is to promote the truths in the Bible.

But wait a minute,now you are making exceptions? You made it very clear: If it is not in the Bible, then it is not the Word of God.

So tell us where Jesus instructs or commands us to study a compiled Bible (OT/NT)?

 

[Nicea325]

Quote:1voice
I’m simply saying…
the Bible is already proven to be true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicea325
According to who

1voice:
Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Really? Where does Jesus or the Holy Spirit declare: These 66/73 books are already proven true? Where does Jesus mention a 27 NT canon?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicea325
and WHO determined such a belief?

1voice:
Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Really? When and where do they give us the declaration of our compiled Bibles being already true?

 

[1voice]

Any time?

What about in John 6 when he challenges the status quo about not eating flesh and drinkign blood. What did Jesus respond then?

As I said earlier, Jesus gave clarification. Israel had been celebrating Passover for centuries… He revealed the true significance of the long established Biblical tradition.

 

[Nicea325]

As I said earlier, Jesus gave clarification. Israel had been celebrating Passover for centuries… He revealed the true significance of the long established Biblical tradition.

Biblical tradition? No, a tradition founded by God long before the OT was even completed.

I am still waiting for the bibical verses supporting your biblical belief:

Everything must be said and taught in the Bible in order to be true? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief.

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

As I said earlier, Jesus gave clarification. Israel had been celebrating Passover for centuries… He revealed the true significance of the long established Biblical tradition.

facepalm

1voice, do you really know your Bible?

Who will post what Jesus REALLY said back then?

 

[1voice]

But wait a minute,now you are making exceptions? You made it very clear: If it is not in the Bible, then it is not the Word of God.

You are assuming that is my position. It is not.
I take the position that all actions/ beliefs must concur/ support / not contradict the Bible.

In the same way that all laws and actions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and Bill of Rights … and only those things that contradict those documents are not permitted within the jurisdiction of the US.

Paul said “Everything (that is not expressly forbidden by God) is permissible”

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

You are assuming that is my position. It is not.
I take the position that all actions/ beliefs must concur/ support / not contradict the Bible.

In the same way that all laws and actions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and Bill of Rights … and only those things that contradict those documents are not permitted within the jurisdiction of the US.

You totally missed Nicea325’s point, 1voice. I invite you to read his/her posts again.

And you still haven’t answered my question, which is the supposed point of this whole thread, you know:

+JMJ+

OK, then I’ll call you on that, and also to get back on topic. Please tell us using Scripture how it is OK for Jesus to call His mother “Woman” in front of people without sinning.

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

Well, for me the answer is demonstrated by Jesus in the Gospels. I simply follow his example. Any time Jesus was challenged in his actions he always responded to the challengers by quoting Scripture or by clarifying Scripture. Any time Jesus challenged the status quo … he quoted scripture as all the proof that he needed to defend his action.

Nice commentary,but nothing you said has answered my challenge to you.

Sorry,but I still waiting for the **bibical verses **supporting your biblical belief:

Everything must be said and taught in the Bible in order to be true? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief.

If its a good enough strategy for Jesus its good enough for me.

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Paul said “Everything (that is not expressly forbidden by God) is permissible”

If its a good enough strategy for Jesus its good enough for me.

Wait a minute…Jesus was NOT supposed to call Mary “Woman” because He would be disrespecting His mother, which is against the Fourth or Fifth (however you count it) Commandment of the Ten Commandments, which is in Scripture.

How can you reconcile your point with this, 1voice?

 

[1voice]

Please tell us using Scripture how it is OK for Jesus to call His mother “Woman” in front of people without sinning.

The Greek word translated “woman” (gune) was a respectful term …as if Jesus said, ‘My lady,’

 

[Nicea325]

You are assuming that is my position. It is not.
I take the position that all actions/ beliefs must concur/ support / not contradict the Bible.

In the same way that all laws and actions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and Bill of Rights … and only those things that contradict those documents are not permitted within the jurisdiction of the US.

Paul said “Everything (that is not expressly forbidden by God) is permissible”

Seriously 1voice? Should I post your own words verbatim?

Oh I see…it is okay for you,but not for Catholics?