"The Baha'i Faith"

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I asked two questions and they were fairly simple ones…

Your rejection of Baha’i sources only underscores my view that you are biased for your’s. Since the topic here is “The Baha’i Faith” that’s what I’m working from… your’s is your own.

I post here only to respond to questions about Baha’i Faith … I’ve been on this forum since 2004.

My name is Arthur Gregory. I’m not with the Baha’i Internet Agency.

Now it’s your turn…😉
 
arthra said:
I asked two questions and they were fairly simple ones…

Your rejection of Baha’i sources only underscores my view that you are biased for your’s.
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And your casual disregard of Bayani sources which have been cited, authenticated and detailed for the general soundness of their accounts by numerous non-Bayani sources blatantly underscores yours.

As for your denial regarding being a member of the Bahai Internet Agency, seeing how the Bahai authorities micromanaging every activity of their flock, I beg to differ and draw attention of the neutral reader to the following:

See Susan Stiles Maneck,
bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

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“In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá’í principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith.”

Comment: In other words Baha’is may lie under any circumstance to ensure the protection of their organizational cohesiveness.

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** From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by William McElwee Miller in The Baha’i Faith: It’s History and Teachings, 1973, p. 289.**

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“….There is no conscience with them i.e. the Baha’is], they keep to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the leader and the led…As to morality and honesty, the whole system has proved disappointing…I have been in contact with many Baha’is, and have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in the full sense of these words…”

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Dr Sa’eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician…who had as a doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime known intimately both Babis * and Baha’is in Tehran and Hamadan.
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Wahid**
 
DavidMark said:
I wouldn’t touch Miller’s book with a ten-foot pole!
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You… ‘wouldn’t touch Miller’s book with a ten-foot pole’…

THAT’S your whole critical analysis?

Come on, Baha’i folks. Let’s see some meat in the substance of your arguments. If your faith’s trueness is so self-evident, it shouldn’t be that hard to produce good apologetics.
 
DavidMark said:
I wouldn’t touch Miller’s book with a ten-foot pole!
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Good for you! And neither should a mind as closed, sectarian, biased and so polluted as yours be touched with any size pole!!

Was this the substance of the debate you were inviting me here for, DavidMark (aka Badi Villar)?

Wahid
 
Miller’s book made me ill when I read it, and it still does to think about it.
Why not read something by Bahá’u’lláh or 'Abdu’l-Bahá, instead of an enemy?
And I am not Badi Villar. I am David Mark, from a WASP background in Kansas.

Would ye ask the Jews whether Jesus was the True One from God, or the idols if Muhammad was an Apostle of His Lord, or inquire from the people of the Qur’án as to Him Who was the Remembrance of God, the Most Exalted, the Most Great?
Say: O people! Cast away, before the splendours of this Revelation, the things that ye possess, and cleave to that which God hath bidden you observe. Such is His command unto you, and He, verily, is best able to command.(Baha’u’llah, Suriy-i-Haykal / Surih of the Temple, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts)

bahai-covenant.blogspot.com/
 
If there is such a thing as a Bayaní, let them give up the worship of their “golden calf”. Perhaps it is a wedge that the Iranian mullahs hope to drive between Baha’is.

Baha’u’llah compared them to the Israelites who made a golden calf:

**Thou hast enquired about the warning We gave to the people at the time of Our departure from Iraq to the effect that when the Sun disappeareth from sight, birds of darkness will be in motion and the standards of Samirí ***] **will be reared high. I swear by God! Those birds have stirred in these days and Samiri hath raised his clamour. Well is it with him who recognizeth and is numbered with men of understanding. We have also warned them against the appearance of the calf. God is My witness! All Our warnings have come to pass, as indeed, they are bound to, inasmuch as they have issued from the fingers of glory and might. Beseech thou God to protect thee from the mischief of these men and to purify thee from the insinuations of the froward. Strengthen thy loins then for the promotion of the Cause and pay no attention unto the words uttered by the people of the Bayan, for they are truly incapable of understanding and have failed to comprehend the essence of the Cause as is revealed in this august, this Most Great Announcement. Thus have We inspired thee, and infused into thy heart that which will make thee independent of the allusions of mankind. **(Suriy-i-Vafa, Tablets of Baha’u’llah, p. 190)
  • The maker of the Golden Calf. See Qur’án 20:87-98.
I have underlined what is an element of my religion. Don’t forget Baha’u’llah while He is away; why become wretched examples of disobedience, and set up the “golden calf” again?

Conditions and morals became corrupt, religion was debased and the perfect principles of the Mosaic law were obscured in superstition and polytheism. War and strife arose among the tribes and their unity was destroyed. The followers of Jeroboam declared themselves rightful and valid in kingly succession, and the supporters of Rehoboam made the same claim. Finally the tribes were torn asunder by hostility and hatred, the glory of Israel was eclipsed and so complete was the degradation, that a golden calf was set up as an object of worship in the city of Tyre. Thereupon God sent Elijah the prophet who redeemed the people, renewed the law of God and established an era of new life for Israel.
(Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 407)
 
The Great Being saith: The Tongue of Wisdom proclaimeth: He that hath Me not is bereft of all things. Turn ye away from all that is on earth and seek none else but Me. I am the Sun of Wisdom and the Ocean of Knowledge. I cheer the faint and revive the dead. I am the guiding Light that illumineth the way. I am the royal Falcon on the arm of the Almighty. I unfold the drooping wings of every broken bird and start it on its flight. (Tablets of Baha’u’llah, p. 169)**

Even as the visible sun that assisteth, as decreed by God, the true One, the Adored, in the development of all earthly things, such as the trees, the fruits, and colours thereof, the minerals of the earth, and all that may be witnessed in the world of creation, so do the divine Luminaries, by their loving care and educative influence, cause the trees of divine unity, the fruits of His oneness, the leaves of detachment, the blossoms of knowledge and certitude, and the myrtles of wisdom and utterance, to exist and be made manifest.

Thus it is that through the rise of these Luminaries of God the world is made new, the waters of everlasting life stream forth, the billows of loving-kindness surge, the clouds of grace are gathered, and the breeze of bounty bloweth upon all created things.
It is the warmth that these Luminaries of God generate, and the undying fires they kindle, which cause the light of the love of God to burn fiercely in the heart of humanity.
It is through the abundant grace of these Symbols of Detachment that the Spirit of life everlasting is breathed into the bodies of the dead.
Assuredly the visible sun is but a sign of the splendour of that Day-star of Truth, that Sun Which can never have a peer, a likeness, or rival.
Through Him all things live, move, and have their being.
Through His grace they are made manifest, and unto Him they all return.
From Him all things have sprung, and unto the treasuries of His revelation they all have repaired. From Him all created things did proceed, and to the depositories of His law they did revert.**(Baha’u’llah, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 33)

If ye seek God, it behooveth you to seek Him Whom God shall make manifest, and if ye cherish the desire to dwell in the Ark of Names, ye will be distinguished as the guides to Him Whom God shall make manifest, did ye but believe in Him. Verily then make your hearts the daysprings of His exalted Names as recorded in the Book, and ye shall, even as mirrors placed before the sun, be able to receive enlightenment.(The Bab, from Dala’il-i-Sab’ih (The Seven Proofs), Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 131)
 
My thoughts, I may be wrong, that Viv3 is already a Baha’i or it is another ID of David or any other baha’i. I may be wrong. But this is their way of propagation and this type of behavior is encouraged by “Bahai Internet Agency” for propagation of their faith.

Posted by Badi 1919 on 9/20/09

Please read this writing of Baha’u’llah. Many of this kind of writings of Baha’u’llah are not yet translater from persian into english. This one is translated by Doctor Wahid Azal who is an Azali (Babi) scholar.

Posted by Badi 1919 on 9/16/09

I was a Baha’i. But from last 2 years I am learning “Bayani Religion” which is the true religion brought by BAB and propagated by His true successor Hazrat-i-subh-i-Azal.
I have done Ruhi books till Book No. 6 and attended many teaching trips. NO Pilgrimage. Thanks GOD. I am willing to die for the cause of Hazrat-e-Subh-i-Azal. Badi is not my actual name and yes it is to attract the attention of you Haifan Baha’is.

Posted by Badi 1919 on 9/13/09**

This is my first post in this discussion forum.
This discussion is very interesting. I will be here sometimes and post some interesting Baha’i Links. These links are definitely not related to the discussion here but it will provide the readers another dimension of the baha’i faith. So kindly ignore me / my posts if you find them useless.

Posted by Badi 1919 on 9/13/09

Art and David,

what is your reply to Dr. Wahid Azal ?

Posted by Badi 1919 on 11/22/09

Here is something that I found on talk.religion.bahai (Usenet) about SenMcglinn. This is the analysis of an ex-baha’i Wahid Azal (Nima Hazini)…

Posted by Badi 1919 on 9/22/09

Since I am an ex-Bahai from a Persian Bahai family, who claim your cult for six generations on one side, I believe I have looked at all the sides far deeper and comprehensively than you…

Posted as Wahid Azal 11/20/09

My guess is that “Dr, Wahid Azal” is “Nima Hazini” is Badi 1919 is Wahid Azal, etc…

using two identities here on this forum alone and duplicity with animosity…
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Allah-u-Abha Art, Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving!
It was established by Abe Lincoln in 1863 and probably was set to commemorate the landing of the Mayflower on November 21, 1621.
It is so ridiculous that I may be vivs3. I thought she was jen fla, but she angrily dismissed me and the idea.
I hope we’re done with this Bayaní. I know all I need to know, and I’m not interested in the views of someone who is hostile to Bahá’u’lláh.
 
Here we go. When Baha’i Internet Agency hacks actually run out of argument they switch to argument by canard. It is a well-worn tactic by them everywhere.

My identity is well known all over the internet and I have never concealed who I am. Indeed my former name was Nima Hazini. But since** 2004** I have officially at law been known as Wahid Azal. However the identity Badi is not I, nor the other handles posited. Since I live in Australia and my IP has been consistently the same for the past three and a half years, perhaps the webmaster or site administrator could be persuaded to publish the IP addresses of myself and the individuals in question to prove the point directly.

That aside, welcome to the New World Order of Baha’u’llah. When you cannot reasonably silence critics with actual argument, attempt the same thing with outright libel, canard and fictitious narrative manufacturing. The good poster here has just demonstrated for all of us the classic underlying methodology behind the entire discipline of Baha’i (pseudo-)historiography since 1866. Refer especially to,

S.G. Wilson “BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION” The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,1914-1915.
at,
wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

Wahid Azal
 
i don’t care about conspiracy theories or any libel, except that against Baha’u’llah

Mark 13:24 **But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, **
13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

No one interpreted the meaning of these things until the Lord Himself consented to do it.

**The heavens are the token of My greatness; look upon them with a pure eye. The stars bear witness to My truth; bear ye likewise witness thereto. **(Bahá’u’lláh, “The Glory of God”, Tabernacle of Unity, p. 67)
 
DavidMark said:
i don’t care about conspiracy theories or any libel, except that against Baha’u’llah

Mark 13:24 **But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, **
13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

No one interpreted the meaning of these things until the Lord Himself consented to do it.

**The heavens are the token of My greatness; look upon them with a pure eye. The stars bear witness to My truth; bear ye likewise witness thereto. **(Bahá’u’lláh, “The Glory of God”, Tabernacle of Unity, p. 67)
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David, this is an important post. Please tell me in what year (exactly) Bahaullah died?? You can also tell me how he died and where he died? Is there any shrine (tomb) of Bahaullah?

Please do not give any long lecture. Just answer the questions. Thanks.
 
Mickey said:
The Baha’is do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. They are an almalgamation of Christianity mixed with buddhism, Islam, hinduism, etc…a universilist melting pot of truth mixed with lies.
In my opinion…they are a cult.
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This is an example of someone who has not done their homework. My poor friend MIckey, at least when he wrote this, was woefully uninformed, and I do mean woefully, because woe is what you get when you did something you hadn’t oughtta.

The fact is, Bahá’ís do believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, just as the Bible says. In 40 years as a Baha’i, I never felt like my faith was an ‘almalgamation.’ Nor is it an amalgamation, even though all previous faiths find their ultimate culmination in it --just as the Magi, the Jews, the Sabeans and so on find their ultimate culmination in Jesus.
 
planten said:
David, this is an important post. Please tell me in what year (exactly) Bahaullah died?? You can also tell me how he died and where he died? Is there any shrine (tomb) of Bahaullah?

Please do not give any long lecture. Just answer the questions. Thanks.
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He asked me Sen! 🙂
bahaullah.org/ Shows you everything you need to know. Get back with me.
 
Christ wants our spirits to come up to His! Gentle Christ wants peace in the hearts and in the world. All the other Prophets of God want the same. None of them wanted war.
But if you put Jesus in the middle of Sinai in 1700 BC or whenever, He would FIGHT the Midianites. If you put Him in Hijáz Arabia in the 7th century, He would FIGHT the Quraysh who were a pack of wolves. Isn’t that what you do to protect the women and children and sheep? Who here will deny Jesus is the Good Shepherd? And what if the whole wide world is one big Temple filled with money changers? Christ will come and FIGHT till hell breaks loose and breaks up and is swept out.

This is why each Manifestation of God gives prophecies about the coming of the next One, to give us hope! Who else can fight evil like God?

Here is an explanatory passage from Scripture:
His Holiness Abraham, on Him be peace, made a covenant concerning His Holiness Moses and gave the glad-tidings of His coming.
His Holiness Moses made a covenant concerning the Promised One, i.e. His Holiness Christ, and announced the good news of His Manifestation to the world.
His Holiness Christ made a covenant concerning the Paraclete and gave the tidings of His coming. His Holiness the Prophet Muhammad made a covenant concerning His Holiness the Báb and the Báb was the One promised by Muhammad, for Muhammad gave the tidings of His coming.
The Báb made a Covenant concerning the Blessed Beauty of Bahá’u’lláh and gave the glad-tidings of His coming for the Blessed Beauty was the One promised by His Holiness the Báb.
Bahá’u’lláh made a covenant concerning a promised One who will become manifest after one thousand or thousands of years. He likewise, with His Supreme Pen, entered into a great Covenant and Testament with all the Bahá’ís whereby they were all commanded to follow the Center of the Covenant after His departure, and turn not away even to a hair’s breadth from obeying Him. (Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith, p. 358)

I wonder why Wahid or whoever never speaks of love, prayer, healing, Light, joy, Iran’s future, fasting etc?
Love all of you, and praying constantly for all of us… Marko
 
DavidMark said:
This is an example of someone who has not done their homework. My poor friend MIckey, at least when he wrote this, was woefully uninformed, and I do mean woefully, because woe is what you get when you did something you hadn’t oughtta.

The fact is, Bahá’ís do believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, just as the Bible says. In 40 years as a Baha’i, I never felt like my faith was an ‘almalgamation.’ Nor is it an amalgamation, even though all previous faiths find their ultimate culmination in it --just as the Magi, the Jews, the Sabeans and so on find their ultimate culmination in Jesus.
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Do they actually believe Jesus is God the Son, 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, as we Christians do? I’d tend to doubt it…
 
DavidMark said:
The fact is, Bahá’ís do believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, just as the Bible says. In 40 years as a Baha’i, I never felt like my faith was an ‘almalgamation.’ Nor is it an amalgamation, even though all previous faiths find their ultimate culmination in it --just as the Magi, the Jews, the Sabeans and so on find their ultimate culmination in Jesus.
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If the culmination is in Jesus, what would be the need of another culmination after that? If there would be, the first one would not be a culmination at all/
 
DavidMark said:
He asked me Sen! 🙂
bahaullah.org/ Shows you everything you need to know. Get back with me.
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DavidMark, That was another bad reply from you. I am thankful to Sen for giving me the info. David, there was no need to refer me to any website. You could have given me the answer very easily yourself. I do not visit many sites.

You can give me the answers to my questions yourself because I have found something seriously wrong in your system. Come back with your answers please. I had thought that Bahaullah died in year 1897 A…D. Now Sen is telling me it was 1892 A.D. I must have been wrong.
 
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