How would you know my interpretation is wrong about a specific verse or passage of Scripture if the Catholic church has never offically interpreted that passage or verse to begin with? Using Scripture to support a doctrine is not the same as interpreting that verse.
I have told you why your interpretations are wrong before. The Church does not do a line by line interpretation. Go here to find out how the Church interprets Sacred Scripture. I would like to quote it but forum rules say to link long articles. I hope you read it.
:tiphat: Hi again, JAK4. Long time no see. You’re still asking some of the same questions after 5700 postings. And we answered all previously.
Well…I’m not sure about the Bible belonging to everyone. Yes, the message of the Bible is for the whole world, but the Bible itself, that is more problematic.
Sometimes same questions are asked to different posters. Some answers lead to further questions that i hope will lead to the truth. Most of the time they don’t since the answers are not forthcoming.
The Bible is the ulimate authority since they alone are inspired-inerrant Word of God. No pope or church can claim to be inspired-inerrant for the mere fact the church is made up of fallen men and has erred.
Evidently the HS must have been at work. How we don’t know.
Problem is that the qualifications of a bishop was that he was to be married. Unmarried clergy is unbiblical.
The previous comment clearly shows that the church has.
How would you know since your church has interpreted less than 20 verses?
Here is how the Catholic Ency defines the term:
Even you admit your church does not know what happened to her. That does not mean she was assumed. For that claim to be true you would need eyewitness accounts from the 1st century. Secondly, we don’t know what happened to a lot of people in the Scriptures either. Should we assume they were assumed to?
Since the church does not infallibly interpret the Bible you must do so on your own and you cannot be certain your interpretation is correct since the church has never interpreted the Scriptures infallibly. You are in the same position as a Protestant.The Church does not infallibly interpret the Bible. That power was given for Basic Teachings, Dogmas. And the Church does have infallible teachings on several basics, like Real Presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist,. See Proof, anytime you watch Catholics in Communion.
Hi JA4T1T,:tiphat:
I’ll take this one guys! 
JA4 How do we know? Because you aren’t an official of the CC!:clapping: < I spelt officially correctly! >
RobbySometimes same questions are asked to different posters. Some answers lead to further questions that i hope will lead to the truth. Most of the time they don’t since the answers are not forthcoming.
Hi JA4T1T, :tiphat:
You are just playing around! Searching for answers RIGHT! I love your “flights” of fantasy :takeoff: Sorry, I always wanted to use that smiley.
What church was Jesus and Paul referring to here? It was not the Roman Catholic church since it did not exist then.
One thing for sure, it wasn’t a Protestant one now was it? Hahahaha!
The Bible is the ulimate authority since they alone are inspired-inerrant Word of God. No pope or church can claim to be inspired-inerrant for the mere fact the church is made up of fallen men and has erred.
You can know they are inspired and inerrant because the CC said so!. We can not err in matter of Faith because the HS guides His real church. Thank God for His One Holy and Apostolic Church! Now, If Jesus is the head how could we be in error? Is Jesus wrong? Did He lie? How can you explain what He said about the church verses your opinions? Could Jesus be wrong? Are you confused, I meant more than normal?
Evidently the HS must have been at work. How we don’t know.
We know! Our bible tells us how. Did your group remove that from scriptures that you “borrowed” from us? Don’t you interpret it that way? Do you believe in the HS? Is the HS lying? Could the HS actually still be working to guide and protect the CC from attacks from all the imitation and counterfeit denominations?
Problem is that the qualifications of a bishop was that he was to be married. Unmarried clergy is unbiblical.
Is it? Why would that be So? Couldn’t a bishop be married to the church? The Body of Christ is the Mother Church! Why do priest and bishops wear wedding rings? When Protestant ministers marry are they committing adultery? Is your denomination part of the Body of Christ? Is your minister committed to your church?
The previous comment clearly shows that the church has.
Yawn! :coffeeread: It does? How? where does it say that in scripture? If Jesus gave us authority in all things and we wrote them down, how can we be wrong when we explain what we wrote? Could we have written it down wrong? Is it written in the Bible that we wrote things down wrong? If not did we?
How would you know since your church has interpreted less than 20 verses?
And you know this how?
Oh, you did call the Vatigan and asked some questions? Did you tell the Pope I sent you? I was there when he came to the USA. Did he remember me? I yelled “Heiliger Vater, Herzlich willkommen in Amerika! Wir lieben Sie! JA4 scherzt nur Sie lieben wirklich unsere Kirche!” Did he remember? Did you order a Vatigan Coffee Mugs or T-shirt? They now have Vatigan Beer steins and Mugs. Did you order one?
Here is how the Catholic Ency defines the term:
“Penance is…for the same.”
Where in the NT do we see any priest (no such office in NT times) or anyone giving some kind of absolution?
We know what the encyclopedia says. Does the Protestant encyclopedia say different? Do you even have a encyclopedia? If you did would that be part of your Sacred written tradition? Are your guys going to "Borrow: our encyclopedia? Remember what happened when you borrowed our scriptures? :tsktsk: Do you think Jesus wrote the encyclopedia?
Jesus was the first Priest. Didn’t he forgive sins? Priests are Apostilic successors and unlike Protestant ministers. And as such they are acting in Jesus’ place. Do you think Jesus wrong to forgive sins? Did He sin when He did? Couldn’t He allow the Church do forgive people? Can’t your sins be forgiven? Aren’t you due for a shift change?
Even you admit your church does not know what happened to her. That does not mean she was assumed. For that claim to be true you would need eyewitness accounts from the 1st century. Secondly, we don’t know what happened to a lot of people in the Scriptures either. Should we assume they were assumed to?
He never said that. Our church actually know that the Blessed mother was 63 years old when she died, She was taken up into heaven body and soul. It is written in our Sacred Oral Tradition You know the proper procedure to obtain that information! Don’t play with the Blessed Mother. Be careful you are stepping on Holy Grounds!
Hail Mary Full of Grace, Mother of God! Please ask your son to forgive those who say and think unkind things about you. His true followers realize your heart is full of love for all other creatures. Please let some of your love pour into the cold empty spaces in the heretics chests and fill them with the love both you and your Son pour out onto the Catholic Church. We ask this through your only Son, our savior Jesus Christ who lives and reigns with the Father and the Holy Spirit, one God forever and ever . AMEN
Since the church does not infallibly interpret the Bible you must do so on your own and you cannot be certain your interpretation is correct since the church has never interpreted the Scriptures infallibly. You are in the same position as a Protestant.
It does! We don’t! We are! It has! You knew that!
However in your case that statement would be true. Your church doesn’t have the authority to interpret the Bible so you have no other choice.
If you insult us one more time by saying we are in the same position as a Protestant we will hunt you down.:slapfight: It won’t be nice!:crutches:
I cannot agree with this premise for the fact there are probably many holy, baptized non-catholics living good christian lives, and some may not even know about catholicism. I think the mercy of God is larger then the commandments of the new and old testaments. I for one do not think God condemned all non-catholics in the past to hell. Or for that matter, to those who never heard of Jesus or the bible.
onenow1, I have to agree with Jimmy B in what he said. However, I do believe you read more into his remark. Because I also have to agree with you. In fact every informed Catholic would agree with you onenow1!
You only have to be a christian to be saved throught the graces of the HS as given to the RCC. In Matthew 22:14, Jesus said, “Many are called, but few are chosen.” A Catholic have no priority over Protestants that live the life Christ directed as outlined through His church
Protestants that follow real christian beliefs can be saved. False believers of all denominations belong to the Devil and he will count them as his own.
Non christains are also saved through the graces of the CC. Since Jesus and the HS gave the CC the authority to bind sins and be the Body of Christ here on earth with Jesus as our head. Without the Catholic Church there can not be any salvation! :crying:
If Protestants don’t understand the Catholic Church how can they understand the scriptures? Who can interpret for them but the HCC? The scriptures were written by and for our church. That is what Jimmy B tried to say, don’t you agree with that?
Now go make up! :hug3:
Peace, onenow1
PS. However the bible was indeed transcribed by and kept by catholics from the very start.
The real Bible still is! The 33,000 protestant denominations have counterfit copies that often vary from the true one. :bigyikes: Plus their interpretations of scripture is wrong unless the Catholic Church agrees with theirs! We are the authority Jesus appointed us and we do what He commanded! When they follow the Pope and accept his authority as Jesus chosen representative, they would no longer be lost sheep without a real shepard!:bighanky:
God Bless
Just a couple of quick ones, before ISometimes same questions are asked to different posters. Some answers lead to further questions that i hope will lead to the truth. Most of the time they don’t since the answers are not forthcoming.
What church was Jesus and Paul referring to here? It was not the Roman Catholic church since it did not exist then.
The Bible is the ulimate authority since they alone are inspired-inerrant Word of God. No pope or church can claim to be inspired-inerrant for the mere fact the church is made up of fallen men and has erred.
Evidently the HS must have been at work. How we don’t know.
Problem is that the qualifications of a bishop was that he was to be married. Unmarried clergy is unbiblical.
The previous comment clearly shows that the church has.
How would you know since your church has interpreted less than 20 verses?
Here is how the Catholic Ency defines the term:
“Penance is a sacrament of the New Law instituted by Christ in which forgiveness of sins committed after baptism is granted through the priest’s absolution to those who with true sorrow confess their sins and promise to satisfy for the same.”
Where in the NT do we see any priest (no such office in NT times) or anyone giving some kind of absolution?
Even you admit your church does not know what happened to her. That does not mean she was assumed. For that claim to be true you would need eyewitness accounts from the 1st century. Secondly, we don’t know what happened to a lot of people in the Scriptures either. Should we assume they were assumed to?
Since the church does not infallibly interpret the Bible you must do so on your own and you cannot be certain your interpretation is correct since the church has never interpreted the Scriptures infallibly. You are in the same position as a Protestant.
Hi Glor, :tiphat:
That is how things should be done!
Howdy! of course I am nice! I am Texan, so I was raised as a Gentleman! Now, we agree I am nice , which is VERY GOOD, but I stand by what I say, the Bible was part of God’s Holy Will Salvation, no ONE part of Christ’s Body cant clutch it and say in a Gollum manner, “Mine!” Not how it works, the Bible is God’s Revelation of Himself, he does not need “help” to do such a thing.Hi Glor, :tiphat:
Thank you for that nice posting.
I applaude you! :clapping: By the way you were wrong!
It isn’t a book it is a library of books. It is divine because the Catholic church declaired it before the protestants left!
It was and is preserved by the Catholic church except for the corrupted copies made by other denominations.
So, you were wrong. But what the heck! You were nice about it! :yup: so I personally thank you for your opinion. The CC teachs the truth as pretains to our sacred scriptures but thanks for trying!
God Bless
Hi Glorfinde,
Even if you are totally wrong! : Don’t change your mind just because you logically should. Unlike a fictional lord-of-the-rings character, the RCC can say it is “MINE” We wrote, organized, interprets and teachs the Holy Bible. Jesus commissioned our church to (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15) to preach the gospel in all the nations of the world.
The bible is God’s revelations to His church for their redemption. It is OK if you don’t understand everything. It takes centurys to become a mature church with the correct teachings. Your church is what, 135 years old or so? We understand that “young” imitation denominations haven’t obtained the maturity to know all the truths that God teaches us.Not sure what you are asking. Can you clarify?Sailka;4342925]
Just a couple of quick ones, before I
What are you trying to prove with Question Marks, bro-in-Christ JKA4? ? ?
Not sure what you are saying. Can you clarify?
Ummm, but we don’t have to believe that Our Lord is God, Is the Saviour, And Died to save us? Hmmmmm. Careful writing all required beliefs.Hi Glorfinde,
I R B A Texan also! Think Alamo!
I am glad you stand by what you said.
Anyone else that does that, does it risking the danger of losing their eternal soul. It say so in the Bible! 2 Peter 20,21
All you have to believe to be truly be saved is:
First, that the real Church of Christ exists only in one form of ecclesiastical polity that being the order of Episcopal polity only as taught by the RCC;
Second, that Catholic “priests” are true representatives of Jesus on Earth. and unlike normal christians receive royal priesthood through the sacrament of Holy Orders;
Third, that the Lord’s Table is an altar on which the oblation of the Body and Blood of Christ is offered anew to the Father in atonement for our sins;
Fourth, that the Presence of Christ in the Lord’s Supper is a true presence in the elements of Bread and Wine;
Fifth, last but not least, that regeneration or a change of heart is inseparably connected with Baptism.
See it is easy! If you only believe those five small things you don’t have to believe the other things the RCC teaches in order to be saved from the devil and his false teachings.
Might miss 1- 3, researching so much :compcoff: :coolinoff:Brother Tony, :knight1: