The Bible is a “Catholic Book”

[guanophore]

Uh - no.

No author of the Bible was Catholic, or had even heard of the Catholic Church.

All authors of the Bible were Jewish, more or less.

There are biblical scholars who are extremely knowledgeable about the Bible and know relatively little about Catholicism.

Why did they describe the faith they held as “catholic”?

I agree,they used to be Jews,but Messianic Jews, which means catholic.

To the extent that any biblical scholar is “knowledgeable” and accurate, they are catholic, whether they know it, or not.

 

[guanophore]

I agree but I am wondering why you think that the other Catholic rites are should not be included… If that is what you are saying??

Or in other words, what do you find disagreeable about the other rites?

Thank your for your support. Jimmy B is one of the most fervent Roman Catholics here that consistently discounts the other Rites.

 

[guanophore]

(Edited)

i agree that Christ gave His apostles authority. The problem is with those that came after them and claimed things that can’t be supported by the apostles…

One has to wonder, since you cut yourself off from the Apostolic Tradition, how could you possibly know what the Apostles supported and what they did not? What was taught by an Apostle in Tyrannus for two years? I can’t wait till the mp3 comes out!

What did Jesus teach His disciples in the 40 days after the resurrection?

 

[RobGentner]

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Yes, but who needs comic relief, or even questions, with us 3 around???

What are you saying? Do you claim to know and understand what your church teaches perfectly? Do you claim to obey perfectly? Where is that in scriptures?

And, filling in for Stepbrother JAK4, what scriptural, or even Bible quote do you have for any of us 3 being damned all eternity for not listening to the 103,487 truths on this great Web?

Not sure what you are saying. Can you clarify? Does that mean the Pope can change God’s word?

Ok Tony, those were my impressions of Justasking4.
What did you think? Were the questions stupid enough? It is OK, Be honest. You won’t hurt my feelings!

 

[RobGentner]

One has to wonder, since you cut yourself off from the Apostolic Tradition, how could you possibly know what the Apostles supported and what they did not? What was taught by an Apostle in Tyrannus for two years? I can’t wait till the mp3 comes out!

I think he may have “borrowed” another of our books to read.:tsktsk: That is written in Sacred Tradition isn’t it? I know it use to be in Sacred Oral Tradition but I think the Monks finally wrote it down, last year or a few hundred years ago?
Boy, this 2,000 years of History is hard to keep straight. Even being wrong, at least the Protestants only have 400 or 500 years of error to correct. They really need the help of the Monks! Hmm, I wonder, would the Holy Father rent them a couple hundred Monks?I mean after all, It could help get their religions straight, it will only get more corrupted the longer the errors go unrepaired! :bounce: Remind me to bring it up at the next Secret Catholic Meeting! :dancing: Thanks!

What did Jesus teach His disciples in the 40 days after the resurrection?

Didn’t Joey Smith say Jesus came here to the USA and converted the Indians during that time? :coffeeread: If Jesus walked across the Alantic that would have taken some time.

 

[adrift]

Uh - no.

No author of the Bible was Catholic, or had even heard of the Catholic Church.

All authors of the Bible were Jewish, more or less.

The Inspiration of Scripture is God. He is the one who established the Catholic Church. I don’t know what you mean by more or less. Luke was not a Jew. The New Testament was written by members of the Catholic Church.

There are biblical scholars who are extremely knowledgeable about the Bible and know relatively little about Catholicism.

This statement is an Oxymoron.

 

[RobGentner]

The Inspiration of Scripture is God. He is the one who established the Catholic Church. I don’t know what you mean by more or less. Luke was not a Jew. The New Testament was written by members of the Catholic Church.

This statement is an Oxymoron.

Adrift could you take out the Oxy? Snow knows about the rest!

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

Am thinking, start New thread: Christianity first 2 centuries. Sure was Not Bible preachin (Was None)

**Thanks for the flowers :flowers:

Well, a thread Christianity in the first 2 centuries, would be most interesting, but also sad, for the cruel and savage persecution of Christians by the romans. Plus there are thausands of books written about this first Christian period.

Well, in a way it was really bible-preaching at that time, for the letters of St. Paul and others had been in circulation and much of the gospel had been collected and tought all new members of this encreasing community within the Roman Empire.
In fact ever since pentecost, Bible preachin was on it’s way, initiated by the Holy Spirit - God Himself. After all - the Old Testament was known long ago then as the Jewish “Bible”. Scriptures of the New Testament had been collected almost to the extend we have them today.
I don’t want to join the club of those, who keep arguing as to when the Holy Scriptures, gospels incl. all letters of today’s canon had be written. (I believe it was around 70 a.C. and not too long after - but what does it matter to us today?!)
Let’s not bind our minds on such things.

There are so many problems the world suffers in their struggle to find or denie a firm believe in God, which we even see in this relatively small community, that we really ought to concentrate on today. However much a person knows about the bible, it all concentrates in the end on GOD AND I.

When I believe, I will be with God, and then I’ll suddenly know EVERYTHING. So, why bother now about the unimportant, for how do we know when we see God? What when we suddenly appear before God to be judged, suddenly see God and have to accept, that all we where told by Moses, the Prophets, Jesus Himself and the Evangelists, was but the mere truth? And what then with all our earthly knowledge about scriptures, Bible and what was when… , when Jesus says: I don’t know you! Get away from me! As He told us in Mt 10,32/33: Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge Him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.**

 

[justasking4]

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Originally Posted by justasking4
(Edited)

i agree that Christ gave His apostles authority. The problem is with those that came after them and claimed things that can’t be supported by the apostles…

guanophore
One has to wonder, since you cut yourself off from the Apostolic Tradition, how could you possibly know what the Apostles supported and what they did not? What was taught by an Apostle in Tyrannus for two years?

Good question… What did Paul teach there for 2 years that is not recorded in the NT? Please tell me exactly what it was that he taught…

I can’t wait till the mp3 comes out!

Me 2…

What did Jesus teach His disciples in the 40 days after the resurrection?

Another great question. Since all that we have is recorded in the NT i don’t know what it was and nor do you…

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

Rather than asking:

What did Jesus teach His disciples in the 40 days after the resurrection?

**we ought to ask: What did Jesus teach us in the 2,000 years after His resurrection?

A great lot.
But we won’t hear, if we don’t listen
we won’t understand, if we don’t open our hearts
we won’t unite with Christ, if we don’t remember Jesus as being away from us just an arm-length -
if we want to.
You and I might see Jesus,
might see God - today.

Are we ready to?**

 

[Sailka]

**Thanks for the flowers :flowers:

Well, a thread Christianity in the first 2 centuries, would be most interesting, but also sad, for the cruel and savage persecution of Christians by the romans. Plus there are thausands of books written about this first Christian period.

Well, in a way it was really bible-preaching at that time, for the letters of St. Paul and others had been in circulation and much of the gospel had been collected and tought all new members of this encreasing community within the Roman Empire.
In fact ever since pentecost, Bible preachin was on it’s way, initiated by the Holy Spirit - God Himself. After all - the Old Testament was known long ago then as the Jewish “Bible”. Scriptures of the New Testament had been collected almost to the extend we have them today.
I don’t want to join the club of those, who keep arguing as to when the Holy Scriptures, gospels incl. all letters of today’s canon had be written. (I believe it was around 70 a.C. and not too long after - but what does it matter to us today?!)
Let’s not bind our minds on such things.

There are so many problems the world suffers in their struggle to find or denie a firm believe in God, which we even see in this relatively small community, that we really ought to concentrate on today. However much a person knows about the bible, it all concentrates in the end on GOD AND I.

When I believe, I will be with God, and then I’ll suddenly know EVERYTHING. So, why bother now about the unimportant, for how do we know when we see God? What when we suddenly appear before God to be judged, suddenly see God and have to accept, that all we where told by Moses, the Prophets, Jesus Himself and the Evangelists, was but the mere truth? And what then with all our earthly knowledge about scriptures, Bible and what was when… , when Jesus says: I don’t know you! Get away from me! As He told us in Mt 10,32/33: Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge Him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.**

You’re quite welcome, Bruno. But unfortunately, a lot is unknown about the First 2 Centuries, because of the sacking of Rome, etc. There is an excellent well researched book out a couple years ago about the same: Mass of the Early Christians/Mike Aquilina/Our Sunday Visitor. The “Last Supper Feast”, with Consecration, even before dawn, Was The Liturgy. And Teaching the Faith, as now, at length to Catechumens and no Bible as Such, (Til Council of Carthage 397 AD) was The Life of the Church. Preaching and Singing only, without tjhe Sacramemts was begun by Calvin in the 1500’s.

There had developed hundreds of alleged holy writings in the first 4 centuries, most recognized as bot authentic: The Gospel of Mary, The Gospel of St Judas, etc., quickly denounced as not Authentic by such as St Irreneaus, until 3 Church Councils in the last part of a The Fourth Century, Councils of Nicea, Rome and Carthaqe selected the Current books of the Bible /LIST]

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**Thanks for the information.

But all this and a lot more in history, is absolutely irrelevant when we appear before Jesus Christ to give account about our present and today’s life.

We won’t be asked about history, nor about others, but about our very own relation to God WE had in life.

So let’s improve that, rather then our knowledge about what went wrong with others. It’s us we have to give account of.

Good to know about history; though much more important is our present relationship to God. God and I must never never never be spoiled in any way for anything that went wrong in far back history.
**

 

[cath2lic4ever]

Well…I’m not sure about the Bible belonging to everyone. Yes, the message of the Bible is for the whole world, but the Bible itself, that is more problematic.

Who wrote the Bible? It was members of the congregation of God, members of God’s people, who wrote scripture. Scripture began with Moses, and he was one of God’s people. Moses wrote as one of God’s people, to the rest of God’s people. Paul, Peter, John, etc, were also all part of God’s congregation, and they were writing to and for God’s congregation. They were not writing to those who were not of the congregation; they were not writing to outsiders.

Therefore, Scripture belongs to the congregation of God, the church, not to anyone else outside of it. Scripture belongs to God’s people collectively, not individually.

You can see how this is true historically.

It is evident that scripture has always existed within a context. Now,we are are always told that individual verses of the Bible should not be taken out of context, that the surrounding verses influence what a particular verse means, but the same is true of the Bible itself. It has a context, and the Bible cannot be removed from that context if it is to be understood properly.

Peter says this when he declares in regard to the letters of Paul: “…in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and the unstable distort, as they do the rest of the scriptures, to their own destruction.”

That’s quite a statement. Non-Christians are evidently among the untaught, so unless you are already a Christian, the probablility of misunderstanding scripture is extremely high, and the consequences are your destruction. The Bible belongs to, and is understood within the context of those who are already taught.

Of course, Jesus makes it clear that the message of scripture, the Good News, is for everybody. He gave the commission to to his disciples to spread the Good News to all nations, Mt 28:19-20.

nicely said. GOD bless & prayers to all!
remember to vote yes on 8 in california!

 

[Sailka]

**Thanks for the information.

But all this and a lot more in history, is absolutely irrelevant when we appear before Jesus Christ to give account about our present and today’s life.

We won’t be asked about history, nor about others, but about our very own relation to God WE had in life.

So let’s improve that, rather then our knowledge about what went wrong with others. It’s us we have to give account of.

Good to know about history; though much more important is our present relationship to God. God and I must never never never be spoiled in any way for anything that went wrong in far back history.
**

Bruno. But the more I learn about anything Catholic, like the Mass, the more I love The Church and the Lord. Everything.

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**How right you are Dear!
Still…
there are a lot of people who do not have the grace to live as long as we did (my son Bjoern for instance) and they had to understand all the same
Have a look at Bjoern in the “Gallerie” in
Gott-Kirche-Glaube.isthier.de
He is in the hemisphere of God now.
Sometimes it’s hard to recognise the youngest son is with God already, and when I arrive, he knows everything, I tried to teach him. Why the heck does the blinker know a lot more than I do?!

**

 

[pathfinder7]

Thank your for your support. Jimmy B is one of the most fervent Roman Catholics here that consistently discounts the other Rites.

well… i tend to think the “right” rite is Roman Catholic… but if the pope says the other rites are OK (and he doesn’t, doesn’t he?) then i trust that.

 

[Sailka]

How right you are Dear!
Still…
there are a lot of people who do not have the grace to live as long as we did (my son Bjoern for instance) and they had to understand all the same
Have a look at Bjoern in the “Gallerie” in
Gott-Kirche-Glaube.isthier.de
He is in the hemisphere of God now.
Sometimes it’s hard to recognise the youngest son is with God already, and when I arrive, he knows everything, I tried to teach him. Why the heck does the blinker know a lot more than I do?!

Perhaps because Bjoern is With God now?

 

[RobGentner]

• Perhaps because Bjoern is With God now?

Tony, Where have you been? Did the Mods get you?

Later

rob

 

[racing59]

I want to know why I can’t vote in this poll I think it’s rigged.

 

[RobGentner]

I want to know why I can’t vote in this poll I think it’s rigged.

You can’t vote in the poll because it is rigged! Or you don’t have authority, Or you already did vote, Or you were going to vote “No”, Or you voted for Oshamea!