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Would anyone like to comment on the historical fact that the Bible is a Catholic document compiled by Catholics for Catholics?
I always thought that the Bible was God’s document.Would anyone like to comment on the historical fact that the Bible is a Catholic document compiled by Catholics for Catholics?
The Bible is not, per se, a document, but, rather, a collection of documents. Those documents were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit so that they may be said to have God for their author. Those inspired documents can also truly be said to have human authors. Those books that comprise the New Testament were all written by members of the Church—the Church which. by the way, antedates all of the New Testament writings. The Church brought the New Testament into being, not the other way around.I always thought that the Bible was God’s document.
No, but I think it needs to be understood with the context of the Church, not just “me, Jesus, and the Bible”.Do you want only Catholics to have it?
Me, too…along with the rest of God’s truth whose fullness is found in the Catholic Church.I would want to share it with as many different people as I could.
Indeed. In fact, there are volumes upon volumes written by the early Christians which, while not inspired Scripture, are just waiting for you. I invite you to investigate that which the early Christians have left to share with the rest of us.I suppose there are many things that happened in the early Church that we should thank them for sharing with the rest of us.
No, no I do not want only Catholics to have it. Please forgive me if it sounded like that to you. We do not claim it as our own and no one elses, but historically Catholics were the only christians around when it was compiled and finalized.O.K. I’ll take the bate.
Do you want only Catholics to have it? I would want to share it with as many different people as I could. I suppose the Old Testament was written by Hebrews for the Jewish.
Well if it is yours, I want to thank you. I read my Bible everyday. I state verses from it when I pray at every meal, and I mean every meal. This might be a bit surprising but when I finish a private prayer I do the Sign of the Cross.
I suppose there are many things that happened in the early Church that we should thank them for sharing with the rest of us.
:yup:The Bible is not, per se, a document, but, rather, a collection of documents. Those documents were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit so that they may be said to have God for their author. Those inspired documents can also truly be said to have human authors. Those books that comprise the New Testament were all written by members of the Church—the Church which. by the way, antedates all of the New Testament writings. The Church brought the New Testament into being, not the other way around.
Justin
It is true. Catholics, with the exception of small isolated pockets of heresy were the only Christians at the time the cannon was closed in 397 AD by the Church through the council of Carthage. This is simply a matter of historical record, not a device to exclude our separated brethren from using those same scriptures.No, no I do not want only Catholics to have it. Please forgive me if it sounded like that to you. We do not claim it as our own and no one elses, but historically Catholics were the only christians around when it was compiled and finalized.
It is an assertion that assumes that the Catholic Church of today is the same church that complied the Scriptures. Many Protestants, including myself, reject this assertion.Would anyone like to comment on the historical fact that the Bible is a Catholic document compiled by Catholics for Catholics?
It is inspired by God, but it written by believers for beleivers…God worked though beleivers to give us scripture and the church to cannonize the books that belong on the chrisitna bible, she also protected and transcribed it for 1500 years until the printing press…
By the way did you know Guttenberg was Catholic…
Just because you think otherwise, doesn’t make it any less true (except for you). The Catholic Church is indeed the same church that compiled the Scriptures.It is an assertion that assumes that the Catholic Church of today is the same church that complied the Scriptures. Many Protestants, including myself, reject this assertion.
~Matt
Originally posted by p90 (Matt)
oh. Can you start another thread with this? Or get Little Mary’s permission to run with this statement on this thread? This is a topic all by itself! So much Scripture can be explored in that statement!!!It is an assertion that assumes that the Catholic Church of today is the same church that complied the Scriptures. Many Protestants, including myself, reject this assertion.
You are very wrong here are some quotes from the councils.Contrary to common belief Luther did not exclude any books from the catholic Bible, and included all the deuterocannonicals. I suppose this point silly though since the deuterocannonicals didn’t actually become part of the Bible until the Council of Trent was held AFTER Martin Luther had made his translation.
“[It has been decided] that nothing except the Canonical Scriptures should be read in the church under the name of the Divine Scriptures. But the Canonical Scriptures are:Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Josue, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, Paraleipomenon two books, Job, the Psalter of David, five books of Solomon**, twelve books of the Prophets, Isaias, Jeremias*, Daniel, Ezechiel, Tobias, Judith, Esther, two books of Esdras, two books of the Maccabees. Moreover, of the New Testament: Four books of the Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles one book, thirteen epistles of Paul the Apostle, one of the same to the Hebrews, two of Peter, three of John, one of James, one of Jude, the Apocalypse of John.” Council of Carthage III,Canon 47(A.D. 397),in DEN,39-40
Besides the canonical Scriptures, nothing shall be read, in the church under the title of divine writings.’. The canonical books are:—Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, the four books of Kings, the two books of Paraleipomena(Chronicles), Job, the Psalms of David, the five books of Solomon**, the twelve books of the (Minor) Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah*, Daniel, Ezekiel,** Tobias**,** Judith**, Esther, two books of Esdras, two books of the Maccabees. The books of the New Testament are:—the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, thirteen Epistles of S. Paul, one Epistle of S. Paul to the Hebrews, two Epistles of S. Peter, three Epistles of S. John, the Epistle of S. James, the Epistle of S. Jude, the Revelation of S. John. Concerning the confirmation of this canon, the transmarine Church shall be consulted." Council of Hippo, Canon 36 (A.D. 393), in HCC,2:400
"Likewise it has been said: Now indeed we must treat of the divine Scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun.The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis one book, Exodus one book, Leviticus one book, Numbers one book, Deuteronomy one book, Josue Nave one book, Judges one book, Ruth one book, Kings four books, Paraleipomenon two books, Psalms one book, Solomon three books**, Proverbs one book, Ecclesiastes one book, Canticle of Canticles one book, likewise Wisdom one book,** Ecclesiasticus** one book. Likewise the order of the Prophets. Isaias one book, Jeremias one book*,with Ginoth, that is, with his lamentations, Ezechiel one book,Daniel one book, Osee one book, Micheas one book, Joel one book, Abdias one book, Jonas one book, Nahum one book, Habacuc one book, Sophonias one book, Aggeus one book, Zacharias one book, Malachias one book. Likewise the order of the histories. Job one book, Tobias one book, Esdras two books, Esther one book, Judith one book, Machabees