However, before any of us make a judgment (myself, included), let’s see what the document has to say, first and foremost.
If it’s not approved by Rome, then technically, it has no ‘authority’ behind it, correct? Doesn’t it just become a “recommendation by some U.S. Bishops”?What upset me the most is that it failed to pass by the 2/3 majority necessary to send it to Rome for recognitio (approval). That being said, I’m afraid that those of you who were praying for the status quo got your wish. However, as I said before, I’ll give the USCCB the chance to post the document. I hope that I am wrong, but from the looks of it, I doubt it.
Is there any way that we can find out who voted for it and who voted against it?The USCCB Committee on Divine Worship finally returned my call this afternoon. The document should be up on its website within the next two weeks.
I’m afraid that it is a paper tiger wiht little teeth.
What upset me the most is that it failed to pass by the 2/3 majority necessary to send it to Rome for recognitio (approval). That being said, I’m afraid that those of you who were praying for the status quo got your wish. However, as I said before, I’ll give the USCCB the chance to post the document. I hope that I am wrong, but from the looks of it, I doubt it.
What upset me the most is that it failed to pass by the 2/3 majority necessary to send it to Rome for recognitio (approval). That being said, I’m afraid that those of you who were praying for the status quo got your wish. However, as I said before, I’ll give the USCCB the chance to post the document. I hope that I am wrong, but from the looks of it, I doubt it.
Anyone who thinks that sacred music began with the St. Louis Jesuits obviously doesn’t understand sacred Tradition. After all, Gregorian Chant is still the default form of sacred music. For those of us who do have that sense of sacred tradition, it’s pretty sad.In the Texas Legislature, you can look up who voted for what and how. Unfortunately, because the USCCB doesn’t work that way, we have no way of knowing, unless, of course, you ask your bishop outright.
That is unfortunate. Were there any reporters from EWTN who would know exactly how each bishop voted?
We should email Raymond Arroyo that question. Evidently, he thought it was okay, but, it still helps to get some sort of clarification. Here’s his email address:
“Default” does not mean there other types should not be used. There is no movement to go away from Gregorian Chant, but very few parishes are set up to do it even on special days. Modern music works well for the modern parishes for the people, choirs and music ministers. GC will be used interspersed with other music genres as it is now.Jim, I would expect that from you because you have no sense of the sacred.
However, if I were you, I wouldn’t be too quick to sing “O Glory” yet. As disappointed as I am with the process, none of us have seen the document. It may wind up knocking off some of the tripe that we are forced to endure from OCP Sunday after Sunday.
Where? How is one supposed to find that elusive parish that actually uses it? Are we expected to drive an hour to find such a Mass?
You’re presuming to know what I think is sacred or not.Jim, I would expect that from you because you have no sense of the sacred.
I sent Mr. Arroyo a message. I will let you know if I hear anything.
Oh, but that is what the documents say regarding Gregorian Chant. New Ulm, have you read anything official from Rome or are you, as usual, shooting up in the sky and hoping a duck will fall out of the sky? So far, your aim has pretty much fallen flat.
This comes from Spirit of the LIturgy, written by then-Cardinal Ratzinger, makes a very telling commentary regarding today’s “modern” music. You say that this is just his opinion, but, many of the things he wrote as a Cardinal are now the backbone for the reforms he is slowly fashioning as Pope.
From what I’m reading, he was talking about Rock and Roll, music. Also, I remember when then Cardinal Ratzinger published this. He was in fact addressing the problem in Europe, where Rock and Roll music was being used at Mass, especially wedding Masses.
I have talked about policies and paper and how they are best applied in the real world. No need to rehash it now.
No, it’s not, nor is it a democracy. However, it would be interesting to see which Bishops stood with the Holy Father and Liturgicam Authenticam on this one item and who didn’t.