The Case for Impeachment Is Overwhelming | The American Conservative

[tomarin]

Yeah, isn’t that weird when you stop and think about it … why aren’t the Senate Republicans excited at the prospect of clearing their man of any hint of wrongdoing? Trump says he’s innocent, the Senators presumably agree with him, and the posters here all say there is zero evidence he did anything objectionable.

 

[Victoria33]

History will remember him as the first president who has been impeached in his first term.

And maybe first president impeached to be reelected.

 

[dvdjs]

I have not gotten involved much in the impeachment discussion, as I see it mostly as a partisan, not juridical, move.

Steny Hoyer gave a great speech before the vote. No hooting and hollering, just a quiet appeal to duty, that at the same time undercut some of the tired charges that deflect away from the charges and the stakes.

Some excerpts …

“ … We’ve heard from Republicans that this impeachment really has to do with policy differences or concerns about the President’s temperament or that we simply dislike the President. They’ve alleged that Democrats have been itching to impeach him since he first took office. The facts say otherwise.

“Throughout the Trump presidency, Democrats have resisted pursuing impeachment even as we watched with dismay and disgust at a pattern of wrongdoing. …

“In fact, Democrats rejected that process emphatically in three specific votes. In December of 2017, Democrats overwhelmingly voted against pursuing articles of impeachment, including the Speaker and myself. We did so again in 2018, with over sixty percent of Democrats rejecting that path. Again, in July 2019, just days before the infamous July 25 telephone call, we did the same, with sixty percent of Democrats voting not to proceed

“It was not until there was clear evidence that the President was abusing his power to serve his own interests – at the expense of our democracy, our national security, and the safeguarding of our elections from foreign interference – that we were compelled to consider articles of impeachment. Credible witnesses, many of whom were appointed to office by President Trump, have corroborated the details and timeline of his abuse of presidential power, which forms the basis of the first article of impeachment in this resolution. I will not recount them here. They have been laid out fully in the articles before us and by colleagues in their remarks.
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“When Rep. Justin Amash left the Republican Party, he admonished his colleagues that: ‘This president will only be in power for a short time, but excusing his behavior will forever tarnish your name.’ Rep. Amash, of course, is the only Member of this House who has no allegiance to either party. He is supporting both articles of impeachment.

“We need not ask who will be the first to show courage by standing up to President Trump. The question we must now ask is: who will be the last to find it?

“The pages of our history are filled with Americans who had the courage to choose country over party or personality. But, as President Kennedy wrote: ‘The stories of past courage … can teach, they can offer hope, they can provide inspiration. But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul.’

Transcript of U.S. Rep. Steny Hoyer’s speech on the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump

“Madam Speaker, I’ve had the honor of serving in this House for over thirty-eight years. I’ve served during six presidencies. I’ve been here through moments of tremendous pr…

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[Lys]

And maybe first president impeached to be reelected.

Unfortunately that is not impossible. But considering that the majority of possible voters want to see him not just impeached, but also removed, I am skeptical. If the democrats (who are quite impotent!) start get their act act together, they will create a huge campaign and play all the negative ads and slogans on all the available channels every day and every night. Make it as dirty as they can. There is no reason to play a gentleman’s game against someone who only can fight dirty, and respects no rules. Feed him his own “medicine”! Someone who makes disparaging remarks about the dead deserves nothing better. Though I suspect that his supporters don’t mind even that.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I watched the hearings and not the GOP grandstanding.
You don’t grandstand WHEN YOU HAVE A FACT BASED ARGUMENT TO MAKE.
The GOP argument can be summed this way:
It’s a farce of a travesty, of a travesty of a farce, of a farce of a travesty, on and on and on.

Oh, there was grandstanding alright, by the democrats! “This is a sad day!”
" We are doing this for our children and grandchildren! " Nancy Pelosi standing
by a poster with the American flag reminding us how noble they all are. Hypocrites I say! Every democrat that got up to speak was grandstanding!
What hogwash!

 

[7_Sorrows]

History will remember President Trump as the president who was hounded day in and day out by a political party who lost and who worked day in and day out
to undo an election. Americans aren’t stupid. We have all witnessed what the
democrats have done and so has the rest of the world.

 

[pnewton]

There is no reason to play a gentleman’s game against someone who only can fight dirty,

Of course there is a reason. Anyone who could justify in this circumstance that which is not part of their character is no more fit to lead than the current President.

History will remember President Trump as the president who was hounded day in and day out by a political party who lost and who worked day in and day out
to undo an election. Americans aren’t stupid.

I don’t know if I believe that last part.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Lys:

There is no reason to play a gentleman’s game against someone who only can fight dirty,

Of course there is a reason. Anyone who could justify in this circumstance that which is not part of their character is no more fit to lead than the current President.

History will remember President Trump as the president who was hounded day in and day out by a political party who lost and who worked day in and day out
to undo an election. Americans aren’t stupid.

I don’t know if I believe that last part.

I think many Americans are on to the democrats by now and are tired of their
shenanigans.