The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

[Anna_Scott]

My dear Catholic friends, please do not judge all Protestants by NotTooSmart’s appalling attacks on the Catholic Church.

We do not, we consider Protestants to be our separated brothers and sisters, however when there is ignorance, bigotry, and outright malicious attacks there needs to be an immediate, factual, and strong rebuff. You will notice that most responses will state something like “Some Protestants, a few Protestants, or something to that effect” to identify those who are acting in an unchristian manner.

Two issues that really chap my hide is when there are attacks on the Blessed Mother and the Priesthood.

Amen from another Protestant.

Gabriel of 12; “a sure sign of not possessing the truth. When a man gives way in matters of ideals, of honour or of faith, that man is a man without ideals, without honour and without faith”
(St. Josemaria Escriva. The Way, 394)

What can come against “Truth” when Truth brings light which causes the darkness to scatter, she does not pass judement on know one. Just as Truth (Jesus) stood before Pilate, who authorized Truth to be crucified.

It is Truth that is being persecuted here, not Protestants. Peace be with you

agreed… I try to keep my posts factual

I just wanted to make sure my statement, “My dear Catholic friends, please do not judge all Protestants by NotTooSmart’s appalling attacks on the Catholic Church,” was not misunderstood.

I’m not accusing Catholics of “Judging all Protestants;” I’m simple saying I do not want Catholics to think all Protestants share in NotTooSmart’s appalling attacks on the Catholic Church.

Actually, the Catholic Forum Members have been more than charitable in responding to NotTooSmart’s attacks.

Anna

 

[jen_fla]

I just wanted to make sure my statement, “My dear Catholic friends, please do not judge all Protestants by NotTooSmart’s appalling attacks on the Catholic Church,” was not misunderstood.

I’m not accusing Catholics of “Judging all Protestants;” I’m simple saying I do not want Catholics to think all Protestants share in NotTooSmart’s appalling attacks on the Catholic Church.

Actually, the Catholic Forum Members have been more than charitable in responding to NotTooSmart’s attacks.

Anna

don’t sweat it, anna. i think most people can see your intentions are honest, fair and kind.

peace to you, your family and friends.

 

[Anna_Scott]

don’t sweat it, anna. i think most people can see your intentions are honest, fair and kind.

peace to you, your family and friends.

Appreciate the kind words.

Anna

 

[Sir_William]

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The sex scandal is not the fact that individual priests ‘succumbed to sin’… the scandal is that the church covered it up and moved these offenders from parish to parish, and did not contact the proper authorities.

I don’t know if that is the case. In our Diocese the scandal that has been dealt with recently involved a priest who allegedly committed numerous offences. The current Bishop dealt openly and honestly with the issues. One of the interesting things that happened is that he found a police report on one or more complaints dating back to the late 60’s. He immediately handed it over the to court as the civil case was being heard. It is a common belief that Bishop’s kept knowledge of offenses to themselves. As steg noted, they even covered it up. Consider our experience in London, the evidence is question was a police report. That would make it clear that it wasn’t just the Church that wasn’t dealing with these offenders aggresively enough. The police obviously ‘turned a blind eye’ to what was going on. It would seem to be the worst kept secret really. I think that society, the medical profession (especially psychiatrists), police, courts, the Church, and everyone took these crimes far too lightly. Sadly, it has now become a convenient stick to beat the Church with. But that seems to be a pattern too. Not only were (spiritually) defenseless young people victimized by these men but in many ways so was the rest of the Church. Lord have mercy for we are all knuckleheads and know not what we do.

 

[bridget_case]

I question all religions - give me the name and location where your church originated, and don’t tell me the book of Acts. I want to see it in historical print. You will find the Catholic Church, was in fact, the only church, until break-offs. Most religions came into being in the 1700-1800’s and some 1900’s.

Some, like the Church of Christ, state they are the first church…erroneously. After the apostles began the ministry, the only historical Christian Church was the Catholic Church, who in turn did preserve the scriptures, the Bible, as the sacred word of God, God’s inspired words. Through the Holy Spirit, God used man to write.

What fasiniates me, is when people take one statement from God’s word and build an entire religion on that one statement. Case and point: there are no instruments mentioned when the church got together in the New Testament. They sang. There are churches today that refuse to use instruments in worship. It is sinful to play a piano, harp, guitar etc…during worship. They sing, but no instruments. They claim if God wanted instruments, it would have been clear in the New Testament. God didn’t tell us to use electric…or how about song books? Is the use of song books during worship wrong? I don’t believe the first church had song books. They sang from the heart. Does that rule out our song books that we use today?

There are some churches who will not support orphans, taking other verses, and stretching the interpretation. It is our interpretations that make the incosistancies. There are still 10 divine principles to live by and to love your neighbor, as yourself, the Golden Rule.

I believe my church is the true church, not gloating, or speaking condesending. I am gratefull for all Christians who practice their religion in this sinful world around us.

As far as judging…I will leave that up to God. We may all be surprised when we get there! Our faith creates who we are. Faith and works are one. Without works, religion is empty. Without faith, religion is worthless. They go together like PBJ…peanut butter and jelly!

Arguing over certain issues is fruitless. Accept the historical facts. Time would be better off spent in doing what God would want us to do. To motivate others, to aid the sick, feed the hungry…our calling is loud and clear, service to others, without reward.

I challenge you today, to take out the negativity, and replace it with a smile, and a hand to help another. A kind word to make someone smile, a pot of soup for the home bound, I am sorry for what I did when you hurt a friend, watch a child for a pregnant mother, share your groceries with a family who has lost their income, anything that will take your mind off you, and replace it with another human life. Do this one time, each day, and works will come naturally. It doesn’t have to win a Nobel Peace Prize, just one good thing. Even if no one sees it, God does, and your treasure will be stored in heaven.

God be with us all today!

PS - I didn’t check spelling.

 

[Anna_Scott]

I question all religions - give me the name and location where your church originated, and don’t tell me the book of Acts. I want to see it in historical print. You will find the Catholic Church, was in fact, the only church, until break-offs. Most religions came into being in the 1700-1800’s and some 1900’s.

Some, like the Church of Christ, state they are the first church…erroneously. After the apostles began the ministry, the only historical Christian Church was the Catholic Church, who in turn did preserve the scriptures, the Bible, as the sacred word of God, God’s inspired words. Through the Holy Spirit, God used man to write.

What fasiniates me, is when people take one statement from God’s word and build an entire religion on that one statement. Case and point: there are no instruments mentioned when the church got together in the New Testament. They sang. There are churches today that refuse to use instruments in worship. It is sinful to play a piano, harp, guitar etc…during worship. They sing, but no instruments. They claim if God wanted instruments, it would have been clear in the New Testament. God didn’t tell us to use electric…or how about song books? Is the use of song books during worship wrong? I don’t believe the first church had song books. They sang from the heart. Does that rule out our song books that we use today?

There are some churches who will not support orphans, taking other verses, and stretching the interpretation. It is our interpretations that make the incosistancies. There are still 10 divine principles to live by and to love your neighbor, as yourself, the Golden Rule.

I believe my church is the true church, not gloating, or speaking condesending. I am gratefull for all Christians who practice their religion in this sinful world around us.

As far as judging…I will leave that up to God. We may all be surprised when we get there! Our faith creates who we are. Faith and works are one. Without works, religion is empty. Without faith, religion is worthless. They go together like PBJ…peanut butter and jelly!

Arguing over certain issues is fruitless. Accept the historical facts. Time would be better off spent in doing what God would want us to do. To motivate others, to aid the sick, feed the hungry…our calling is loud and clear, service to others, without reward.

I challenge you today, to take out the negativity, and replace it with a smile, and a hand to help another. A kind word to make someone smile, a pot of soup for the home bound, I am sorry for what I did when you hurt a friend, watch a child for a pregnant mother, share your groceries with a family who has lost their income, anything that will take your mind off you, and replace it with another human life. Do this one time, each day, and works will come naturally. It doesn’t have to win a Nobel Peace Prize, just one good thing. Even if no one sees it, God does, and your treasure will be stored in heaven.

God be with us all today!

PS - I didn’t check spelling.

I appreciate your comments.

We are to walk in the footsteps of Christ, and helping our fellow man demonstrates the love of Christ.

We would all do well to pause, and consider your words.

Anna

 

[jake23]

The Catolic Church did not give us the bible. God did. How pre sumptuous to say otherwise.

Very few Catholics can admit to the seriousness of the sin that caused others to leave her.

Foolish, ignorant, and obviousley lacking of knowledge!

Yes God gave us the Bible and used the Catholic church as the tool to provide it! Everything is not literal in the Bible, which is why Christ gave us the Catholic church! As you can see by the protestant churches built of straw on sand, they are verry lost! There are so many contradicting protestant religions created everyday causing poeple to become lost in false interpretation! You are lost and filled with hate and envy for the holy catholic church when it is simply a gift given by Christ! I will pray that you will let go of the vein self opinionated attitude and start embracing Christ!

 

[Bill_Pick]

For Hisalone, If the Cathloic church did not give us the bible will you please tell us who did…
Oh I know it was a Pentecostal church.

 

[NotTooSmart]

Before I leave, I would like to apologize for my signature and for my unforgiving attitude on this thread. It was in violation of 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 where love is not provoked and does not take into account a wrong suffered. God has been speaking to my heart over this long weekend while I have been away, and I feel it is my responsibility to make this right on my part before I leave these forums.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Before I leave, I would like to apologize for my signature and for my unforgiving attitude on this thread. It was in violation of 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 where love is not provoked and does not take into account a wrong suffered. God has been speaking to my heart over this long weekend while I have been away, and I feel it is my responsibility to make this right on my part before I leave these forums.

NotTooSmart:

I am glad to heart that God has been speaking to your heart, but it is sad that you are leaving the Forums.

I think you will find compassion and forgiveness here, and many wise people from many denominations to help and encourage you in your Christian walk.

Please prayerfully consider staying.

Anna

 

[PRmerger]

Before I leave, I would like to apologize for my signature and for my unforgiving attitude on this thread. It was in violation of 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 where love is not provoked and does not take into account a wrong suffered. God has been speaking to my heart over this long weekend while I have been away, and I feel it is my responsibility to make this right on my part before I leave these forums.

Your love for God and His Word is quite evident, NotTooSmart.

 

[jen_fla]

Before I leave, I would like to apologize for my signature and for my unforgiving attitude on this thread. It was in violation of 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 where love is not provoked and does not take into account a wrong suffered. God has been speaking to my heart over this long weekend while I have been away, and I feel it is my responsibility to make this right on my part before I leave these forums.

i too hope you don’t leave. there is much to learn here!

please read through those links i gave you when you have some time. pick one point that you don’t understand or believe and start a new thread on that.

keep praying and many of us here will do the same for you.

peace.

 

[ern42]

No, no it isn’t very catholic. The Bible isn’t catholic it’s the Word of God! I simply quoted the Bible. So I would say it’s very Holy!

 

[bridget_case]

For nottosmart…I love your zeal and passion for what you believe. Your post declares you are endowed with the Love Of God! I am brand new on the forum, and I enjoy a good, legitimate debate. It not only sharpens our spiritual skills, but increase our faith and service to God. The passage you used was excellent, certainly powerful for all of us to remember. Please, stay and talk with us. You add to the forum by making us question and look for answers. May God shine upon your face, and your family.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

No, no it isn’t very catholic. The Bible isn’t catholic it’s the Word of God! I simply quoted the Bible. So I would say it’s very Holy!

Er…where do you think your bible came from? :shrug:The Catholic church!

 

[NotTooSmart]

For nottosmart…I love your zeal and passion for what you believe. Your post declares you are endowed with the Love Of God! I am brand new on the forum, and I enjoy a good, legitimate debate. It not only sharpens our spiritual skills, but increase our faith and service to God. The passage you used was excellent, certainly powerful for all of us to remember. Please, stay and talk with us. You add to the forum by making us question and look for answers. May God shine upon your face, and your family.

Thank you for your kindness.

I might be here on a “very limited” basis. I will not be starting any threads though (that was a big mistake). And I will just back out on any thread if I feel my personal tension meter rising.

It is just not worth the bother.

I guess I am probably just a very hyper-sensitive guy who does not lik…

umm…never mind.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Thank you for your kindness.

I might be here on a “very limited” basis. I will not be starting any threads though (that was a big mistake). And I will just back out on any thread if I feel my personal tension meter rising.

It is just not worth the bother.

I guess I am probably just a very hyper-sensitive guy who does not lik…

umm…never mind.

Seems you have a lot of people rooting for you.

Anna

 

[jake23]

No, no it isn’t very catholic. The Bible isn’t catholic it’s the Word of God! I simply quoted the Bible. So I would say it’s very Holy!

To be christian is to be Catholic! You have allot to learn and it sounds you have a long journey to find a real relationship with Christ! You cannot be close to him and ignore the church he gave us!

 

[youngsaint]

…unless you also want to say that the Catholic church gave us the inquisition and the priest sex abuse scandals.

The point being that you can not take credit for the positive while at the same time pass the buck on the negative. A little consistency on this please.

Get your head out of the sewer. If its one thing about non-Catholics that really ticks me off its the lies they spread, and their obvious love of disfiguring the true Church of Christ. True, we did those things, are we proud of it? No, but if I had a choice, I would put us thought the same thing, those things help defines us as catholics, not as the bad things, but because we can improve from where we were…

Where were your apostles then? And how did they somehow come up with the exact same thing, except that they ripped out the parts they didn’t like? Wow, convenient, huh, that they ripped out the part with the Blessed Sacrament isn’t it?

I will continue, along with other catholics, to be proud as physically possible with my church, at least we don’t have to attack other churches to make our look better and more appealing.

If you agree, please tell me! Catholics, lets band together with this one!!! :grouphug:!!

As for you, you speak with extremely typical protestant arrogance. Until you get SOME knowledge of religion. PLEASE try to refrain from insulting us with your ignorance.

 

[youngsaint]

My absolute apology for the last one I posted, I only red (i think i used that word wrong) the question, thats my response to it. lol, i didn’t read the last part where you apologized. But I stand by everything that I said. My questions still out there, do you guys agree with me?